C'jais Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Are you afraid of not existing? Sleeping might be the closest we'll ever get to it, while living, and that doesn't seem so bad to me. The tough part is waking up again. Based on the replies in the Abortion thread, I don't think many people are able to set aside their self and view the world without it. Our view, understanding and appreciation of it are so closely tied to our physical existance that it's nigh impossible to seperate our self and our environment. We all follow empty goals. They are, of course, not empty to us, but when viewed from outside, they seem hollow. My world view is shattered whenever I see a demented person. His insanity makes me realize that I have strived hard to achieve a respectable place in my community, that I long for acceptance, that the only thing that stops me from oblivion is my yearning for sympathy and pleasure. But it is all for naught in the end. The stupid person has a much more simple life. He strives to achieve the same things, yet we feel pity for him. We detest him. Yet we are but more advanced in our never ending search for positive stimuli. We are just the same as him, and as animals. In sleep I feel nothing. Nothing is not a negative feeling. It's literally nothing. At the end of my life, I'd like to close the book and call it a day. Then fade into the background. The world will go on without me just fine, and I won't feel any sad about it. My self, my focal point for my self-affirmation will now equal that of a rock. You can't say I won't simply care about my friends and family after I'm dead. Caring is an active feeling, but when I am no longer there, it makes no sense to talk about it that way. I will still be there after death, if your world view is so tied to the material aspects of it - In that sense, "I" will still be there in the form of a corpse, and in your mind. If only I could step outside my self. If that was done, I'd feel the uselessness of clinging to this hook of self-assurance and let go. But I'm afraid I won't experience that until after I'm dead. At which point it makes no matter anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 Why worry about it? It's impossible to stop. It's not 100% sure. And what do you gain thinking about it? I just live my life to the fullest,every moment. I have none to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 13, 2003 Share Posted January 13, 2003 i live my life to the fullest. when im in school i think about these things though. got nothin better to do in school. i already know what they teachin. so. and im prepared for death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Yes I try to do my best to help people. I think the best I can do is just be a good person, be a good Christian and spread my religion to other people, play sports and have fun while helping in my community, getting good grades, graduating with Honors from highschool and College, getting my varsity jacket (Only 1 more letter and i'm a freshmen in highschool ), being a 3 sport maniac and then thinking way into the future, getting a good job having a loving wife and family and dying a respected citizen. I know it seems like a lot but we have our whole life to do it. And don't think about death, it will drive you crazy someday. Because we know its coming and it'll get to us 100% guranteed so why worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Eternal life scares the hell outta me! Heaven or hell. Forever??? I'd rather just die and not be alive then live in heaven forever. It depends on what you do there? The Bible doesn't go in depth about this at all, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Yes the Bible does. It says that in heaven your days are full of the most amazing thing you have ever felt and that you spend all your time singing and praising God and that your days will never grow dim. About hell.. well lets just say you don't want to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I see. Well, I guess since we are corrupted by men's many creations, God unfortunately isn't our #1 thing in life, so heaven didn't sound to appealing. But I guess it is better than both hell and non-exisitance. And when your dead, no wordly possesions will be there, so the greatest thing to do there would be to praise God. That is comforting, considering I've missed the past 3 church services at my church... Hey, Lent's coming up! I promise not to skip church to see Nemesis and LotR: TTT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Posted by Cjais Are you afraid of not existing? No. I'm actually rather looking forward to it, to be honest In sleep I feel nothing. Nothing is not a negative feeling. It's literally nothing. At the end of my life, I'd like to close the book and call it a day. Then fade into the background. Same here Posted by Reborn Outcast Yes I try to do my best to help people. Excellent. Nothing at all wrong with that I think the best I can do is just be a good person, be a good Christian and spread my religion to other people You know, that makes you sound remarkably like a virus, and Christianity like a disease... (Seriously no offence meant; I just happened to notice the similarities, that's all ) Perhaps another thread is in order... *goes off to think* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 i hope when i die there is nothing only eternal sleep or at least a communative dream where everyone who dies shares the dream. like a huge community. a life after death where anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 It's possible and fact that if you damage your brain, your memory sometimes go out the window. Someone I know fell down some stairs and began to have trouble remembering his own name. What happens when we die? Our brain dies. Our memory dies. Based on this, in the life after death we will have no memory of our past life. Our self might vanish as well, but I'm thinking that several people in here like the Neo-Platonic outlook on this, likely stating that you can seperate physical and mental existance. While this may be true, it has not been proved so far. Everyone that longs for a life after death has failed to realize the hollowness of desiring such pleasure. You are still swimming in the sea of Samsara. Going off a Buddhist tangent here - C'jais All IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Jesus being risen from the dead has yet tro be proven, yet many people believe it to be true.... And if you beleive that, then you would hopefully belive going to heaven/ hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy You know, that makes you sound remarkably like a virus, and Christianity like a disease... (Seriously no offence meant; I just happened to notice the similarities, that's all ) No offence taken... I am a religious person and these are my goals for my religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Welshman Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 I find its best just not to worry, dont live life to the fullest because you die faster. Just go about your buisness, you do not need to see my identifica.... sorry. Anyway, Maybe your making a fuss over nothing, maybe when we die we carry on as if we didnt die, and when we die of old age then we get to go to the pensioners home in the sky that we call, heaven some people call it K-PAX but thats because they watch to much tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 This is the way I think of heaven based on what the bible says about it. imagine the funest thing you have ever done, then multiply it times infinite. and hell, the worst thing that ever happened to you times infinite. thats what I think about when I do wrong, and it makes me want to do right and live for God. For some people death is a scary thing. But for a Christian we are so willing to die for GOD because we know we will be going to a better place. And suffering for GODs sake is the best thing that can happen to a Christian in his walk. Since Jesus suffered the ultimite price for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Death is interesting. But if I'm ever in the situation where I think I'm going to die I'm usually calm. Like my mind relaxes and says, well your going to die anyway so just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 For some people death is a scary thing. But for a Christian we are so willing to die for GOD because we know we will be going to a better place. And suffering for GODs sake is the best thing that can happen to a Christian in his walk. Since Jesus suffered the ultimite price for us. Which is death... But arent we all going to die? And what about Martyr's who die for Christianity? Didnt they also pay the ultimate price? And Jesus didnt really suffer the ultimate price,because he went to heaven afterwords,correct? So that he just died for us,basically,and went to heaven...not alot of pain involved..well,for what his reward was. Edit- If god is so loving and caring,why does he demand suffering to make you go to heaven? (This is not trying to bellittle Christianity or anything,I just wanted some answers for those). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Tyrion Which is death... But arent we all going to die? And what about Martyr's who die for Christianity? Didnt they also pay the ultimate price? And Jesus didnt really suffer the ultimate price,because he went to heaven afterwords,correct? So that he just died for us,basically,and went to heaven...not alot of pain involved..well,for what his reward was. Edit- If god is so loving and caring,why does he demand suffering to make you go to heaven? (This is not trying to bellittle Christianity or anything,I just wanted some answers for those). Well, first off, Christ died in an extremely painful way, and then he spent his first three days in Hell, being tormented by Satan, before he rose and went to heaven. He doesn't demand suffering for us to enter heaven. But we know that if we are suffering for Him, then he will know it and reward us. but if we simply live our life for him with no suffering attached we will be let into heaven. And no, we christians don't really believe we die.....we will have immortal life in heaven with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 I never have been afraid of death, it's innevitable so why worry about it. I could get run over tommorow or die 30 years from now of lung cancer, either way I'm gonna be worm food eventually so why waste time even thinking about it. When I die, I will finally have the long uninterupted sleep that I have desired for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Mandolorian54 But for a Christian we are so willing to die for GOD because we know we will be going to a better place. And suffering for GODs sake is the best thing that can happen to a Christian in his walk. Since Jesus suffered the ultimite price for us. Now that is scary. Sounds exactly like those suicidal bombers. They've been told that there is no greater honour than to die as a martyr (i.e. blow yourself up in the midde of disbelievers). And when you die you'll get to heaven and there'll be 7 beautiful virgins waiting for you. O.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 But if we blow ourself up to impress God that doesn't impress him... if we kill non-believers for God he does NOT like that... If we do that type of stuff... we go to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast But if we blow ourself up to impress God that doesn't impress him... if we kill non-believers for God he does NOT like that... If we do that type of stuff... we go to hell. Yet this is what both protestants and catholics have been doing for years. Check your history book. In theory, no you shouldn't do it. In practice you'd do it if you were pressed enough, as history clearly shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Yet I am not protestant or catholic. I'm just saying that even if people do that for God.. they will go to hell unless they have a major breakdown and their heart is changed forever and they ask for forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 17, 2003 Author Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast Yet I am not protestant or catholic. Then what are you? Pfah - it doesn't matter anyway, every Christian group has done terrible non-Christian deeds, except the ones created too late and thus missed their chance when the religion was at its highest stage. I'm just saying that even if people do that for God.. they will go to hell unless they have a major breakdown and their heart is changed forever and they ask for forgiveness. This is only what you believe. The crusaders believed they were good Christians as well. You're only the best, most holy and devout follower in your own eyes. In hundred years, Christians will look back at you and declare you bad, ugly followers for not trying to stop the racism and poverty in the world, and for slavishly interpreting the Bible literally and insisting on the Genesis being factual description. You see, with religion, everyone thinks they're right, and as soon as they think it, they know they are. And none can convince them otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 I don't fear death, just pain and suffering. Physical and emotional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Originally posted by Katarn07 I don't fear death, just pain and suffering. Physical and emotional... So you fear the actual act of dying more than not existing forever? I think I am just the opposite, physical pain at the moment of death will most likely be quick. Where as being dead until the end of time could take billions of years. And if you beleive like many that the universe is already about 4 billions years old. Then who is in a hurry to not exist again? Hmm? Not me. At least when you feel pain you know you are alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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