TheMadDoofer Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Well good, we're all happy again. Now lets get back to the topic shall we . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by TheMadDoofer Well good, we're all happy again. Now lets get back to the topic shall we . . . Ok.... I'm not gay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 and now for levity: click me. Now. DO IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Ikhnaton and now for levity: click me. Now. DO IT! Thanks alot. You made me gay, bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Ikhnaton blackdove, you can make the free speech argument all you want, but this board does have rules against posting inflammatory and otherwise offensive comments. if you yell fire in a crowded theater, your free speech arguments won't help you in court. I actually agreed with GUNNER's closing of the topic. I have been around almost as long as he has and i have seen how topics like this can easily get out of hand. It has nothing to do with forcing our opinions over anyone else, or trying to flex our topic-closing powers, but everything to do with keeping the peace. I've been on many boards and still am. This board doesn't quite have the same cohesiveness of other boards i have been to. Our common factor is star wars and/or games. That's just barely enough to have a friendship. While everyone is free to have their own opinion, and the expression of such is welcome (within the set boundaries of said expression), in such a heterogenous group like this where people differ so much, topics like this, politics and religion and easily get out of hand. many of you are still young, not quite adults, and don't quite yet know how to engage in a debate while remaining respectful of others. Trust me, in my 3+ years of experience on this board, i know how these topics usually pan out. Yes, I have no argument there, however that wasn't my point In fact, in a way you just proved to me that you were only able to look at the single lane of the argument I was making. That's why I said "on a deeper level". I fully understand the rules you layed out, however again, that wasn't my point. If you did understand what I was trying to say, then the same argument that you would be able to make (which you have) against any rude post, you wouldn't be able to make because it isn't possible to make the same argument over two different topics. And let me get this one straight. Because we are a group of heterogenous peeps here, we can't say what we really think, but moreover adjust it to how the general populace is thinking? Hell my answer on the poll was "not sure" which would suggest I have homosexual tendencies. Do you see me jumping like a mother****er around accusing R15 of his calling me a ****ed up idiot? There is a difference between respecting other peoples opinion while not liking it and respecting it because you are liking it. I respect his opinion as such, that being his opinion, however in my opinion it is unfounded, jouvenile, and most likely, like the textbook says, forced on him by his parents. I mean if you don't approach a topic like this with reason, then what, are you gonna close out everything you don't like because you didn't like someone elses opinion and do it in a reasoning that it was obscene? Obsceneties aren't there to be moderated, they are there for a reason. Werther the reason is justified or not should be the definitive factor in werther it should be moderated or not. You see if you were worried about obsceneties in this case, then you would moderate his post and out the obsceneties (not the thought, just the offensive stuff, which is usually removed by the auto censor), not lock the entire thread I just hope you see the differences, and how wrong it was to even contemplate a closing of a thread like this on such basless reasoning. The only thing that should have been moderated was his post, not the entire thread. Get my point? I'm trying to make it as simple as possible...kinda hard because it's kinda complex. For example, R15 thinks I'm defending him so you can see how easy it is to get confused -edit- And when I asked AB_Legion about it, this was his response (which he allowed me to quote): BlackDove says: you get my point.......right? [The Truthful Liar] says: ... [The Truthful Liar] says: ANGALE ANGALE ARIBA ARIBA AYE AYE AYE Of course later on he told me he is only in his underwear, so I'm assuming there was heavy drinking involved in his night -edit- Oh and P.S. I am frequenting a couple of the lf.com boards with different rules, and about 15-20 other boards in connection to things I'm into, moderating a couple in the process. I was also frequenting a board (an official game developers board) which got closed because the community got out of hand. So expect me to know a great deal about what is allowed and not allowed, just so you know I'm not talking trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 I saw it the first time... Ok, enough with the useless drivel. It's open again. Knock yourself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 *edit* Whoa.. Triple Force-Long-Post... O.O (...Gunner has now tidied it) *starts formulating reply to BlackDove* Posted by ZBomber Thanks alot. You made me gay, bastard. LOL Just be glad you can't actually be 'made' gay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Actually I tidied it, you have the edit-delete post option Originally posted by GUNNER the useless drivel I'll hope to god that wasn't a remark to my posts due to the fact that would prove you were wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Rogue15 dude, darkdove or whoever your name is, stop sticking up for me, i've learned my lesson. Thx for reopening the thread, niner, and i'm sorry for posting what i posted. dude, Roguefifteen or whoever your name is, stop telling people not to stick up for you, I'd kill to have any amounts of people on my side ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove And let me get this one straight. Because we are a group of heterogenous peeps here, we can't say what we really think, but moreover adjust it to how the general populace is thinking? Hell my answer on the poll was "not sure" which would suggest I have homosexual tendencies. Do you see me jumping like a mother****er around accusing R15 of his calling me a ****ed up idiot? No, and neither did I, but the fact that you or I can respect or tolerate his opinion doesn't mean that someone else who happened to read the thread would be able to do so - I think that's partly why Gunner closed it in the first palce (although in my opinion it had returned to a civilised state by then, but.. meh.) There is a difference between respecting other peoples opinion while not liking it and respecting it because you are liking it. There most certainly is, but sadly not everyone is capable of respecting someone else's opinion while not liking it - I myself have difficulty doing so with some topics, which is unusual of me, but I keep my reactions private for the most part, so as not to hurt anyone - again, not everyone does or can do this, so steps have to be taken. I respect his opinion as such, that being his opinion, however in my opinion it is unfounded, jouvenile, and most likely, like the textbook says, forced on him by his parents. Same here, but, as I've said so many times before, others might not be able to do so, and may take serious offence at such comments - thankfully, everyone else crushed R15's little outburst, and he explained a few things, so in my eyes no real harm was done... But that doesn't men it couldn't have been I mean if you don't approach a topic like this with reason, then what, are you gonna close out everything you don't like because you didn't like someone elses opinion and do it in a reasoning that it was obscene? Obsceneties aren't there to be moderated, they are there for a reason. Werther the reason is justified or not should be the definitive factor in werther it should be moderated or not. You see if you were worried about obsceneties in this case, then you would moderate his post and out the obsceneties (not the thought, just the offensive stuff, which is usually removed by the auto censor), not lock the entire thread Agreed - locking the thread was an overreaction, but even though I wanted it opened again, I still think it's better to overreact, with the possibility of clearing things up later, than not to react at all... I just hope you see the differences, and how wrong it was to even contemplate a closing of a thread like this on such basless reasoning. The only thing that should have been moderated was his post, not the entire thread. Get my point? I'm trying to make it as simple as possible...kinda hard because it's kinda complex. For example, R15 thinks I'm defending him so you can see how easy it is to get confused I didn't understand it until you posted the above, and I had to read it carefully and thoroughly to make sure I hadn't got the wrong end of the stick, but I'm confident that I understand where you're coming from and what you meant now... Bloody took a while, didn't it? -edit- And when I asked AB_Legion about it, this was his response (which he allowed me to quote): <snip> Of course later on he told me he is only in his underwear, so I'm assuming there was heavy drinking involved in his night There usually is, when it comes to Legion Now, let's stop bitterly discussing and debating minor points, and just all be friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Hmmm... No one loves me. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy Now, let's stop bitterly discussing and debating minor points, and just all be friends lol, I'm just trying to debate an issue, not be a Bastard Forum Member From Hell (which is usually my trademark ) Thanks for reading it, and yes you're right, most people aren't able to behave themseleves after they see a post like R15's, however still, I don't find that a well valid reason to lock a thread, especially since that doesn't make the thread at a fault, but the people who are responding to bad post which should have been moderated. If the people who are responding to an offensive post obscenely, then those people should be the ones moderated, not the thread...just my opinion anyway...although according to gunner, I believe my opinion would be...what was it..."the useless drivel" I believe was the term... Originally posted by AB_Legion Hmmm... No one loves me. :-( Go eat your pasta in your underwear and be quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Enough!!! Back on topic, dammit! *sigh* I'm getting too damn old for this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Uhm...topic...ok -I don't mind people being gay or straight or bi- ...was that the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by AB_Legion Hmmm... No one loves me. :-( I'd have thought you'd be more worried if we did love you... Originally posted by BlackDove lol, I'm just trying to debate an issue, not be a Bastard Forum Member From Hell (which is usually my trademark ) ROFL Thanks for reading it, and yes you're right, most people aren't able to behave themseleves after they see a post like R15's, however still, I don't find that a well valid reason to lock a thread, especially since that doesn't make the thread at a fault, but the people who are responding to bad post which should have been moderated.Agreed, but different people do things different ways, so I suppose it's to be expected that things we don't like are going to be done... ^_^ If the people who are responding to an offensive post obscenely, then those people should be the ones moderated, not the thread...just my opinion anyway...although according to gunner, I believe my opinion would be...what was it..."the useless drivel" I believe was the term...Whoa.. Hold it there - don't start a personal war between yourself and Gunner... He can be a bit odd at times, but he's really a decent person underneath - just let this all blow over, please? After all, it's really just a big misunderstanding, and no reason to fight Go eat your pasta in your underwear and be quiet LMFAO! That's cruel... I might have to sign into MSN just to tease Legion now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove Actually I tidied it, you have the edit-delete post option I'll hope to god that wasn't a remark to my posts due to the fact that would prove you were wrong I was talking about my useless drivel. So it seems you were assuming I meant you huh? Now will you please get over it. I closed it, Niner opened it. So be happy and leave my name out of it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 ...well... if members are gonna treat there mods and each other like crap why should i stay in this topic.... prfffft *walks out* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 blackdove, in my line of work on a board like this, it doesn't always work trying to operate from the "deeper meaning" that you're trying to get across. while it is all fine and good to have higher philosophies and whatnot, most of the time in reality, you just have to call a spade a spade. think about where you are posting. this is the place that is referred to as "Aresen" and newbies are told to leave their sanity behind. Do you know how often I have prodded the members here to improve the quality of their posts? it doesn't really matter what i say on the matter, people don't change. if the members here are going to operate from a more base mindset, then expect me to administer from a similar approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Actually... I don't know about the rest but I'm slowly shedding that whole leave insanity at the door thing... it's gettin really old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Lynk Former Actually... I don't know about the rest but I'm slowly shedding that whole leave insanity at the door thing... it's gettin really old It's leave SANITY at the door u nog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 does it really matter anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 I'm a lesbian. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to pick in the poll Also, this thread sucks. You people are 100x too immature to discuss anything of any real value (not to say this thread had any value to begin with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Ikhnaton blackdove, in my line of work on a board like this, it doesn't always work trying to operate from the "deeper meaning" that you're trying to get across. while it is all fine and good to have higher philosophies and whatnot, most of the time in reality, you just have to call a spade a spade. think about where you are posting. this is the place that is referred to as "Aresen" and newbies are told to leave their sanity behind. Do you know how often I have prodded the members here to improve the quality of their posts? it doesn't really matter what i say on the matter, people don't change. if the members here are going to operate from a more base mindset, then expect me to administer from a similar approach. Well you said it, not me Thanks for understanding what I was going for with the essays though. I guess from a certain point of view, you are right, but then again I take ethics and philosophy seriously and operate from that perspective, rarely do I use my base mindset so...meh I'd just like to request you be easier with these kinds of topics in the future, and moderate what should be moderated instead of locking the whole thing and throwing away the key like it never was there. Sure, nobody will miss it and it'll be forgotten in a day, maybe less, but still, a very good topic might have gone down the drain. Originally posted by Nute Gunray this thread sucks. You people are 100x too immature to discuss anything of any real value (not to say this thread had any value to begin with). Well since we can be illuminated by your presence, why don't you explain to us how to discuss something of real value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove Well since we can be illuminated by your presence, why don't you explain to us how to discuss something of real value? I could but i'd go so far over your head you'd need a telescope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 I rest my case then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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