toms Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Well, they said that stealth would play a part in JKii, and then it pretty much didn't. What implementations there were turned out to be rather pointless and useless. That stun batton was a waste of time. There was no reason to walk, ever. etc... SO, do you think they should do it properly with areas where you need to sneak quitely and knock people out, use mind tricks tactically etc... or should they just say sod it and make the game a full on action game and dump the stun baton etc... ? It would be nice if force seeing had a proper, look through walls effect at higher levels. if they could manage it in deus ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 yes they should include stealth. The thing they need to do, is have to where you have your saber out with out igniting it. Then you could move from cover to cover and plan your attack. The saber is a rather loud weapon, so once you go for it, I think that most bad guys in the area would hear it. But force powers like grip and push, might be cool. It would be cool to choke a guy and then throw him out into where the other guys are and then they all freak out looking for you. Or you push a guy off a ledge and the others hear him scream as he falls. This would be the equivalent of throwing a bottle or can in Deus Ex or Splinter Cell to distract enemies. -Aim your force push at one guy in one area, and then toss'em. All the other run over to see what that horrible scream was. Then you walk on by, or push the rest of them off, or what ever you want. Allowing the player to get really creative in their choice of attacks is really important I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlzWisHum Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Sneaking is cool, but only sometimes when you feel like it; JO featured some sneaking, but it was mandatory. I'd rather choose my tactics, not be made to that as a mission objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 I agree with the fact that you should be able to choose your own strategy, but sometimes I wish I could just sneak around a la Obi-wan instead of just "rambo-ing" my way through the game. I don't think Jedi are supposed to leave a path of destruction in their wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlzWisHum Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 I think there are good possibilities but i thoguht it was quite poor when it was included in jk2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Well the cairn_bay was nice for a change, but it was way to easy at some points... I liked the room with 3 ppl in it, where you had to jump up on a ledge to turn the generator field of. I choked the ppl to death, it's really cool And the most silent way So a little more stealth could be nice, but not too much please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Yes please Raven, no more obligatory stealth mission! JO had one, and it sucked! EF2 has a little bit better one, but aren't we better developers than this? Integrate gameplay and make it flow naturally. Not like in JO. That level really put a wrench in the works of the flow of the game. I'm glad that when I replay the game (as I've done many times) I can, in fact just kill everyone as they approach the alarm console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoast2895 Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 i think stealth would be good, only as an option though. cuz if your stealth is broken, your a jedi you can handle it if the stealth is broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryudom Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 it would be cool if walking was silent and you could knock people out with your fists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSurfer Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Mind Trick is your best friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge2211 Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 It would be really cool to have more stealth-based missions or missions where you could easily choose stealth over a full-out unleash-the-force assault (hmmmmm...I sense a deciding factor in lightside vs darkside...). It would be especially cool if they could implement things like crawling, scaling walls, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 erm,they did have stealth in JK2-the Jedi Mind Trick is used to confuse large groups or a single enemy thus allowing you to sneak in unnoticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 It would be nice if you could choose your tactics, as basically everyone in this thread has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSurfer Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 You could use speed to your advantage if you were fast. Just fly by your enemies since StormTroopers are very dumb in the game (I'm referring the SP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 you think stormtroopers are dumb more like reborn are !! my own opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 Originally posted by CanadianSurfer Mind Trick is your best friend. So true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matariel Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 'stealth' isnt really a thing jedi do very often...theyve got more of a james bond feel to them..like obiwan on kamino, "the names' wan, obi-wan" ya know the jk2 'steath' bits are enough for me...i hope you're not suggesting an invisible mode, cos thats just not cricket (ermm, ppl from countries outside the british commonwealth may not get that joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 maybe it's gonna have something to do with your force alignment, i mean killing everybody on a map would bring you closer to the dark and sneaking and avoiding killing people for nothing would bring you close to the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 I think YES... (the primary) way to play should steathy but not like that one mission in JK2 where if you have been spotted then GAME OVER... They should make it so that normally enemies aren't aware of you (they aren't waiting for you) or they don't consider you as enemy... but then when someone sees you in place where you are not allowed to be or... (you get identified to be enemy) and if that guy can alarm others then from that point forward enemies should be waiting for you, they should be looking for you, there should be more of them, ... (And you you can kill as many peoples as you want but i think they should make it so that more peoples you kill, harder the game gets...) (and in some "imperial" bases or.... you shouldn't be able to kill all enemies... basically it should go so that when you kill one they send two more... soo if you just keep fighting sooner or later you will lose...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted April 8, 2003 Author Share Posted April 8, 2003 it did seem in JK2 that everyone was just standing there waiting to attack me. Often you would be wandering towards a room and you would hear a chorus of "there he is! stop him!" type comments. Then the MOMENT you stepped into the room they would all be standing there shooting you... had they nothing better to do??? the only time i ever used mind trick was to give me time to slice people up.... it was never a valid tactic to do an obi-wan (in a new hope) style "noise to distract them while you sneak past". jedis seem to do a lot of sneaking and misdirection in the films... they just get caught a lot. i agree though... mandatory stealth mission - bad. gameplay options = good. and if you give me a stun batton... give me a reason to stun people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 An optional steath mission/missions, yes. I DO NOT like forced stealth, especially not after playing SPIDER-MAN THE MOVIE. Has several awful stealth levels. Personally, I think improving Mind Trick would be a good idea, as far as it relates to stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himmler1 Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Surprise is the way of the sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJedi Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Man the stun Baton was a pretty stupid weapon, they should have just left fists so you could knock the stormies out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted April 15, 2003 Share Posted April 15, 2003 I don't want to bust your bubble, people, but at the moment, according to the recent PCGamer article, Raven will not be focusing on stealth elements. They have ditched the 'stealth levels' seen in JO, and they are not going out of their way to allow you to play stealthily through any of the other levels. Pretty much the only stealth tool you will have at your disposal is the Jedi Mind Trick, which as far as I can see will offer very limited stealth tactics at best. I do think it's a shame that they won't be designing levels specifically with stealth in mind. As we've seen in the movies - particularly Episode I - stealth can be a Jedi's best ally at times, and I would have thought that would be especially true for a Padawan. We'll have to wait and see how it pans out, of course, but I'm already disappointed by this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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