l00k_2k Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 okay im not going to lie and make up excuses, however i need to say this...FULL THROTTLE 2 LOOKS ABSOLUTLEY TERRIBLE. They say that the adventure genre isnt dead when it quite obviously is if they become desperate enough to turn one of my personal favorite lucasart classics into a run-down shoddy mix of street fighter and virtua cop!! I used to use the Mixnmojo boards reguarly back in the day but i cant remember my username or password so i have returned with this one, i have completed every lucasarts adventure which i am proud to say and this latest ADDITION to the shelves in my eyes looks set to be the end of a long run of success and QUALITY entertainment. Pardon my poor punctuation etc but im a sloppy typer, everyone please state your views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Well, people said that about the lack of verbs in Sam & Max, the new tall guybrush in CMI, they said it about the 3D in Grim Fandango, and all those only represented a step forward in the genre. I'm gonna wait and see before passing judgement - I mean, EMI was a well made game, it was just a bad Monkey Island game. I mean, it woulda been just as bad in 2D or with a verb list. The 3D graphics were nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 The FT2 graphics might look horrible, but it's obviously too early to say anything about the gameplay. I think it has a lot of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 A cross between Street Fighter and Virtua Cop, funny, because I don't think anyone else sees that, what I think we all see is a game with a good story and good graphics. I expect a game with Grim Fandango quality in game play, story and graphics (grim was blocky, but that just added to the whole Mexican land of the dead thing). And I think unlike with a movie, the sequel to a game can only heighten the admiration and quality of the first game by turning it into a couple, trilogy or dare I say it, saga. Go on FT2 Further more please try and use the appropriate forums for this, I understand that you expect more people to see this here, but there is a Full Throttle Forum for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 http://www.lucasarts.com/products/hellonwheels/ Let the mocking commence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l00k_2k Posted April 23, 2003 Author Share Posted April 23, 2003 good to see some replies and i must say they are all very good points, but i think what we are gonna find here is more action and not enough adventure......30 or so levels to win...wow! the last spot on adventure ive seen from lucasarts is Grimfango, and whoever said... I mean, EMI was a well made game, it was just a bad Monkey Island game good point, good game just not enough monkey in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by Neil Joshi Further more please try and use the appropriate forums for this, I understand that you expect more people to see this here, but there is a Full Throttle Forum for this. Yeah, but this is the mixnmojo forum for all things LucasArts - please don't tell people where to post. If people do post in the wrong place, someone will sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adventurer Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1? I have high hopes for this game. Puzzle solving melded with action. And I'm sure by Levels they don't mean Level 3 Stage 2: The Oil Refinery, they mean chapters. Like in Half Life the game flowed smothly but was broken into chapters has the story progressed. The back shot to Ben riding his bike almost looks Cell Shaded, which is cool as hell for keeping the cartoon feel. And in some of those shots the game looks prerendered, we don't even know if the game is full 3d yet. And the fighting? sounds like their using a combat system like indy and the Emperor's Tomb which will kick f-ing ass. So buck up kids. It seems we're going to have a fun game on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Have they changed the look of Ben since the first previews? He still looks short and squat, but he looks better than I remember. Whereas the 'action' elements of FT1 relied more on brains than actual skill, this one looks a lot more like a 3D version of Double Dragon! But for all we know, that could only one section in the whole game! The pre-rendered models look pretty cool actually (doesn't the third one look just like Conroy Bumpus's bodyguard?) but the ingame stuff looks low-res and jaggy... thank God for anti-aliasing! ~ John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by The Adventurer I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1? Ben that doesn't look like a user-made mod for Duke Nukem 3D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregD Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 What the hell is everyones problem about the graphics.. At least they are: 1. Cartoony. 2. Similar in style to the original. 3. Decent to say the least, and bare in mind these are early renders and screenshots. If you want old skool 2d graphics sorry but this isnt going to happen anymore with LEC games get over it. You graphic complaining people should be more worried about the gameplay as graphics do not a good game make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Shutt Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Considering that none of the critics in this thread have so much as mentioned the switch from 2D to 3D, telling us to "get over it" seems a little disingenuous. It's not the style of the graphics that are being criticized, it's the quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by The Adventurer I for one LOVE the graphics of the FT2 shots. they are cartoony and clean. I don't understand the bitching. What do you want? Photo realistic Ben? Ben with Blocky Jaggys like in FT1? Clean and cartoony graphics are all well and good, but they don’t make up for the lack of at atmosphere portrayed in those screenshots. They had some really good Noir thing going on in FT1, which sadly seems to be lacking here. Notice how the stars repeat themselves three times on the first image? Or how the bottles in the third one are magically illuminated despite being right at the back? Or how the man looks like he’s just escape from the Stone Age in number four!? It just seems so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBRAA Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 These new pics are development pics. The stuff like repeated backgrounds like in the bar cant be in finished game. LEC knows that and they're releasing these to just have something to show us. It just too bad what they have to show sucks. If I feel these pics sucks I should say so. LEC is prepared for mad reactions. It's not like they dont know it sucks. Also, it's fun to make fun of LEC. *poke in the belly* bah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooJaka Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 When you put the two together it's just scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 I thinks everyone biggest mistake here are you're all referring to an imaginary company called LEC, who the hell are they? If you're referring to LucasArts, I think that the screenshots we're seeing are the un-shaded versions. Have you ever seen a computer generated film without shading; it looks remarkably like the screenshots we're seeing here. They won't shade the game until it's almost finished as they can't develop the game with fully rendered characters and objects, it would take up too much Ram and would take ages to render a shot. I know the animation process is incredibly different from a game to a CG film, but they still don't work with fully generated imagery until the end and what we are seeing here is a screenshot with no shading. With shading it'll look a lot better. Also Originally found on the web site Features Play as Ben - a tough biker with a sarcastic wit and the fists to back it up. Throw punches, kick down doors and use objects like chairs and bottles as you fight in a rich interactive world. Ride Ben's modified Corley motorcycle and engage in fierce combat at high speeds. Solve unique puzzles and help Ben work his way through a series of adventures to uncover a mysterious plot to destroy the town. Interact with over 50 characters in an engaging story with humorous dialogue and plenty of action. So in other words, this look like it's going to be an okay game. Finally, Originally posted by GregD You graphic complaining people should be more worried about the game play as graphics do not a good game make. Get a touch of Yoda at the end there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Yeah, this is true - these are early shots. I remember early shots of Starfox Adventures... ay caramba! But then the final game was released with amazing graphics and great gameplay. *sigh of relief* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 they can't develop the game with fully rendered characters and objects, it would take up too much Ram and would take ages to render a shot. That's complete nonsense! Non of the screenshots are for pre-rendered animations (which is what you refer to) but from actual in-game graphics! They might be unfinished but that's a different thing. I'm sure they're fully aware of how 1998 the graphics look, though (at least I hope they are!) and hasn't Ben changed since we first saw him? That's a good thing! Maybe they are listening! ~ John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Originally posted by ThunderPeel2001 That's complete nonsense! Non of the screenshots are for pre-rendered animations (which is what you refer to) but from actual in-game graphics! They might be unfinished but that's a different thing. Yeah, I realised that about halfway through which is why I said it's different from CG movies. It is true that some of what I said is nonsense because if they weren't able to do much with fully rendered images, we wouldn't be able to play the game. But yes, it is unfinished, as like I said before, there is no light and shading elements, it's just the backgrounds, objects and models which is why it doesn't look as good as it will in the final game. Which was really what I was trying to say, but got mixed up halfway through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabb Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 When are we gonna see a shot of Ben with his eyes open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l00k_2k Posted April 25, 2003 Author Share Posted April 25, 2003 my biggest issue is in no relation to the graphics, its primarily aimed at the fact that it has switched from an adventure game to some sort of s**t beat-em-up/road rage game. If i wanted a game like that i would go out nd buy simpsons racer for the X-box. I will not sit and watch one of lucasarts all time greats go down the toilet like an unwanted lump of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Ok, I agree that to make it into a mindless beat-em-up would be a bad idea as far as we're concerned - but I wouldn't blame LucasArts for doing it. They only exist to make money, and beat-em-ups make a lot of money, the mass majority of gamers like them. That said, this is LucasArts, so we should at least expect a great storyline. And there's no proof that this isn't mostly an adventure game, we're just basing our worries off the screenshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Like I said before originally found on the official FT2 website Features Play as Ben - a tough biker with a sarcastic wit and the fists to back it up. Throw punches, kick down doors and use objects like chairs and bottles as you fight in a rich interactive world. Ride Ben's modified Corley motorcycle and engage in fierce combat at high speeds. Solve unique puzzles and help Ben work his way through a series of adventures to uncover a mysterious plot to destroy the town. Interact with over 50 characters in an engaging story with humorous dialogue and plenty of action. I'm not saying this is hard proof, but we can at least use it as a guide to what we think the games going to be like. In my opinon, I think it's going to be a game like Grim Fandango (in gameplay, puzzels and dialogue and so one) but have elements of beat-em-up/road rage in it (like the bike sequences in Full Throttle). Of course, that's just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right, but it could be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregD Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Originally posted by Neil Joshi I thinks everyone biggest mistake here are you're all referring to an imaginary company called LEC, who the hell are they? If you're referring to LucasArts, I think that the screenshots we're seeing are the un-shaded versions. Get a touch of Yoda at the end there? Yes a touch of Yoda was in me at the time.... I don't care if they have changed their name its still LEC and I refuse to abbreviate it any other way so HA! Originally posted by Carl Shutt Considering that none of the critics in this thread have so much as mentioned the switch from 2D to 3D, telling us to "get over it" seems a little disingenuous. It's not the style of the graphics that are being criticized, it's the quality. I know people who will at some stage have said they don't like the 3d approach, whether they be in this thread or not doesn't make any difference, the argument is still relevant so HA! (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 I myself would be one of those people you're talking about, or at least I used to be, but I found that we really aren't going to escape the change to 3D, so we might as well just roll with the tides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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