C'jais Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Taken from the jk2 mod forum, as people in there didn't felt like commenting at all. Open for flames, suggestions, death threats and criticism. I'm more for making hard, well-structured rules and some moderator suggestions. The suggestions are things which you won't be immediately banned for "breaking" (nor will threads be closed on sight if a suggestion is ignored), but we'll take it into account if you've been deliberately acting against them on purpose several times. Rules: Doing things some other way will get you smacked, or may get the offending posts moved, edited, or possibly deleted. In the case of excessive or repeated violations of these rules, the offender's account may be deleted, or the offender may be banned from Lucasforums. Post in the appropriate forum. We have separate forums for various types of discussion for a reason. Please respect that. Do not post a message in the wrong forum, and say that you know it's the wrong forum but you're posting there for greater traffic. That shows that you enjoy annoying people, since you are intentionally ignoring the system. Do not ask the Moderators not to move a post to the appropriate forum just because you want more traffic for your post. Not only are you being intentionally annoying, but you're asking for special treatment in return for being annoying, which makes you look even worse. A request from a moderator shall not be ignored (EG Please calm down) - ignoring it is grounds for banning. While it can be debated in a nice and calm way, most of the time, the moderator's decision will stand and you have best obey. If a user assist in breaking US law (EG asking for burned pirate copies etc) will have his post deleted, and possibly referred to the proper authorities (might scare some people ). Pornography is not allowed. Don't post it. Posting private email, messages or IM program logs is not allowed, unless all participants involved has given their permission. Guidelines: These are guidelines which will make the moderator's job go smoother and make everything flow better. They won't be enforced as strictly as the rules, but if enough violations of the guidelines occur, action may be taken at the moderator's discretion. Flaming and cursing. Cursing should best be used as spice, not the main dish. If your post looks like an encrypted message from all the *'s, then consider yourself within banning reach. As for flaming, it'll be tolerated in small amounts, nor will threads be closed if someone gets flies off the handle suddenly, but if a flamewar breaks out and you're identified as a flamer, consider yourself temporarily banned. On second thought, perhaps flaming shouldn't be tolerated at all, though it'll be completely impossible to moderate fairly with this as a firm rule. Problems with posts or threads should be reported to the moderators (report post button). But please don't report a post just because someone said the word "f*ck". Posting just to gain ranks and increase post counts is a bad idea. If you really must reach 1000 posts and gain the custom title, there are various game threads designed for this very purpose, but please do contain it to these threads (that way, if we have one "spam thread" for each off topic forum, we'll hopefully reduce the amount of unwanted spam that way). Derailing (going off topic/hijacking) a thread's conversation is a good way to annoy the thread creator. If you must discuss something else, start your own topic (note that this is a guideline, not a rule, as it'd be impossible to enforce properly). Now, it's up to each forum/moderator to decide just how much they're going to enforce the guidelines, but I think the rules above should be enforced equally all over the forum. And please remember that a single violation of the rules is sometimes not enough to ban people or close threads - all taken in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 you need to chop that down there is too much needs to be clear and too the point. If it is too fluffed up people won't abide by them and of course find ways to argue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 ST's got a point you know, i couldn't be bothered reading that at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 How about this? Rules: [*]Be nice, don't spam. [/list=1] If a moderator/h4x0r/admin sees something that he/she thinks is wrong, he/she should deal in a way that he/she sees fit. Sorted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scabb Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Also, mods don't exist to force their own practice of morals and ethics. Just clean up the crap, delete the porn and don't try to make global policies. Gabez wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 i agree...the guidelines...are kind of insulting...especially since its common sense. I think there should just be one underlying spelled out rule. Mods reserve the right to edit posts, delete posts and or ban - according to appropriatness sorry my spelling is horrible...i can't spell to save my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=ReApEr=- Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I tried to make a forum policy a while back, the admins etc said stick to the rules. All we need is the rules in my opinion leave each forum to its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I think there should just be one underlying spelled out rule. Mods reserve the right to edit posts, delete posts and or ban - according to appropriatness Before I move on, don't take this the wrong way, STTCT. I'm just using this quote to get the point out. Yeah, for those of you that read the agreement you all signed when you registered, or in most cases didn't (including me ): "The owners of LucasForums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason." Pretty much covers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 The rules are OK. I'm not sure, but Jan has a point (I never knew I agreed to that though.... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 oh well. i tried to give an opinion. too many rules will just make it boring here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted June 9, 2003 Author Share Posted June 9, 2003 Originally posted by Jan Gaarni Yeah, for those of you that read the agreement you all signed when you registered, or in most cases didn't (including me ): "The owners of LucasForums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason." Except that's not a rule in any way. It's a disclaimer, and does nothing to guide users so that thread's don't get locked or get themselves banned. Imagine yourself as a new person to these forums. What can you do, and more importantly, what can't you do? Can I call someone an idiot without getting banned? Can I post pictures of semi-nude people (I've done this)? Can I mention Kazaa at this place? Can I hit on people here? Can I go off topic in a thread? So, you look for some official rules to clarify this. No luck. All you find is the above disclaimer which makes you feel more than a little uncomfortable, seeing as there aren't any rules and the moderators can enforce whatever rules they want on the spur of the moment. Scabb/Gabez: "Clean up the crap"/Be nice"/"Don't spam"? How is a user supposed to know what's crap and how they can be nice? WTF is spam anyway? You guys are not adressing the issue one bit - the problem is that "rules" like this don't help at all. If the police used "laws" such as "just be nice, and ummm, don't steal 'n suff" it wouldn't work. Neither does it work here. Some spam threads get locked, some don't. Some porn get deleted, some don't. Some flame wars get stopped in their tracks, some don't. Some thread hijacks are tolerated, while some are not. I was sick and tired of it when I was a regular user, and you'd think being elevated to moderator status would shed some light on the internal rules. But it didn't. Now, I'm well aware that interpreting the rules is a pretty subjective thing to do, but if the mods could just make some rules that they'd refer to when closing threads, users would be in a position to not get their threads closed. As it is now, mods sometimes have to debate things back and forth before taking action, because there are no rules. It's unprofessional amateur bullsh*t if you ask me, and it's only going to get worse when the annual newbie rush enters in september. I understand you guys come from a small community where there's not much need of modding. That's also what I'd prefer - as little moderation inteference as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais Except that's not a rule in any way. It's a disclaimer, and does nothing to guide users so that thread's don't get locked or get themselves banned. Imagine yourself as a new person to these forums. What can you do, and more importantly, what can't you do? Can I call someone an idiot without getting banned? Can I post pictures of semi-nude people (I've done this)? Can I mention Kazaa at this place? Can I hit on people here? Can I go off topic in a thread? So, you look for some official rules to clarify this. No luck. All you find is the above disclaimer which makes you feel more than a little uncomfortable, seeing as there aren't any rules and the moderators can enforce whatever rules they want on the spur of the moment. Scabb/Gabez: "Clean up the crap"/Be nice"/"Don't spam"? How is a user supposed to know what's crap and how they can be nice? WTF is spam anyway? You guys are not adressing the issue one bit - the problem is that "rules" like this don't help at all. If the police used "laws" such as "just be nice, and ummm, don't steal 'n suff" it wouldn't work. Neither does it work here. Some spam threads get locked, some don't. Some porn get deleted, some don't. Some flame wars get stopped in their tracks, some don't. Some thread hijacks are tolerated, while some are not. I was sick and tired of it when I was a regular user, and you'd think being elevated to moderator status would shed some light on the internal rules. But it didn't. Now, I'm well aware that interpreting the rules is a pretty subjective thing to do, but if the mods could just make some rules that they'd refer to when closing threads, users would be in a position to not get their threads closed. As it is now, mods sometimes have to debate things back and forth before taking action, because there are no rules. It's unprofessional amateur bullsh*t if you ask me, and it's only going to get worse when the annual newbie rush enters in september. I understand you guys come from a small community where there's not much need of modding. That's also what I'd prefer - as little moderation inteference as possible. Whats September? I thought they usually came during Summer Vacation..... (thats when I came) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Except that's not a rule in any way. It's a disclaimer, and does nothing to guide users so that thread's don't get locked or get themselves banned. True, but I was merely pointing out that there is such a thing already that STTCT suggested. That is all. As it is now, mods sometimes have to debate things back and forth before taking action, because there are no rules. It's unprofessional amateur bullsh*t if you ask me, That in itself is not amateurlike. That's how some rules come to be. Failure to create and post a rule in responce to such a debate is IMO. I forgot to give you my opinion on this thread though, and that is I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 i would like to point out that the fact that moderators follow their own judgement in situations lead us into the latest fiasco in the MI forums involving jk2 mods... so im with cjais more in that we need a more full set of rules so everyone could be on teh same page. tho im not quite sure that this discussion belongs here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by Jan Gaarni That in itself is not amateurlike. Hehe, no of course, I just wanted to fire off a Deus Ex quote No really, I understand the need to debate things sometimes before taking action, but as ACDCbill said, not having such rules is what leads to wacky, uncontrolled moderation such as the recent MI episode. I'm not deliberately trying to make the problem bigger than it is, but I'm a wee bit tired of there not being created any firm rules because everyone fears it'll upset the smaller forums in here (who don't need heavy moderation) or screw up the somewhat peaceful status quo. But please, we have to get it done sooner or later - once the new lucasgames are released, we'll have this placed flooded with new users (galaxies, KotOR, JA etc). I believe the rules I posted are not going to restrict any users in here more than the subjective modding is already, and then we'll at least have some rules to refer to when the occassional user complains that his thread was locked or he got banned (munik comes to mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 Do the new people that will do things like post semi-nude pictures, senseless spam and the like actually take the time to read the rules? I know I never read the rules when I was new. It wasn't until I was bored one day that I read it. Size of the rules matters as a 10 paragraph set of rules is a huge turn off, but I think the major problem would be just to get people to read the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi Apprentice Do the new people that will do things like post semi-nude pictures, senseless spam and the like actually take the time to read the rules? Well, that's not really our problem is it? Even if people don't read the rules, we still have them as referrence when the mods are doing something seemingly arbitrarily. And believe me, some people do read the rules and try to find loopholes in them. It just becomes all the easier when there aren't any rules at all and they can cry foul at the Tyranny of Biased Moderation. As for the size of the thing, it's to cover all bases - some rules are downright obvious and some are pretty unimportant to most people. One of the things which has always made me wonder is how every forum has their own definition of spam and tolerable topics. Where in RSN it's permitted and almost required to talk about ferrets, milk and floor-nailing in every conceivable thread, over at jk2 and GB, the rules for "spam" are much less lenient. How come? Surely it's not because the users at those places can't "handle" the spam, or because the folks at RSN are rewarded in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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