Shotokan Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 It's not YOU ET, but it's others. I've heard many people say "I'm a very good driver. I'm a very safe driver. Blah Blah Blah..." You may be a perfectly safe driver but it's other reckless drivers that cause crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 I KNOW it's the other drivers that will cause the accident. What I am saying is that my not wearing a seatbelt in NO way affects the safety of ANYONE else, and therefore it is NOT the governments business to make me wear a seatbelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotokan Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 oOo:rolleyes: I misunderstood you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior But WHY should I get a ticket if i'm not endangering anyone else? I'm still driving perfectly safely. Because you are endangering yourself. The seat belt law is a law to protect you from yourself. This is also why suicide is illegal. I KNOW it's the other drivers that will cause the accident. What I am saying is that my not wearing a seatbelt in NO way affects the safety of ANYONE else, and therefore it is NOT the governments business to make me wear a seatbelt. But it is. They excist to ensure the people's safety. Making them wearing seat belts is precisely that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by Breton Because you are endangering yourself. The seat belt law is a law to protect you from yourself. This is also why suicide is illegal. I find this to be f***** up. Why don't I have the right to take my life into my own hands? Why is the government so damned interested in protecting me, but they will still make me register for the draft so that I might have to go fight and DIE in a war? But it is. They excist to ensure the people's safety. Making them wearing seat belts is precisely that. And just THINK how safe we'll all be when we're under constant surveillance by the government at all times! Then people will ALL be safe ALL the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 im eating a huge fries and grilled burger, soaking in it's runny fat (or as i call it a heart attack on a bun) I am endangering myself by taking away those few extra years and giving myself a greater chance of suffering from a heart attack. now im walking up very old stairs that could break. now im swimming, i could drown. see everything we do could kill us. hell even walking there is a chance a plane will crash and hit us. there is always a chance that we could die.why not make all that crap illegal? say i'm swimming and i hit my head on the wall and knock myself unconcious i will drown. should they make swimming illegal because of that, or maybe make us wear "Water Helmets"? there was a law that they wanted to make bikers wear helmets and knee and elbow pads.what they are doing is making children weak. like those parents that overreact because their kid coughed so they take the kid to the emergency room and say i think my kid is dying. and yes that does happen... and quite alot, atleast here where i live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior I find this to be f***** up. Why don't I have the right to take my life into my own hands? Why is the government so damned interested in protecting me, but they will still make me register for the draft so that I might have to go fight and DIE in a war? And just THINK how safe we'll all be when we're under constant surveillance by the government at all times! Then people will ALL be safe ALL the time. they want you to grow and breed children so they can make those kids soldiers so they can die "protecting" our rights in some war agains rhode island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 And just THINK how safe we'll all be when we're under constant surveillance by the government at all times! Then people will ALL be safe ALL the time. Am I seeing a lead into a giant conspiracy theory, where the government is conspiring to take away all our rights, and it started with seatbelt laws? I hate these..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior I find this to be f***** up. Why don't I have the right to take my life into my own hands? Because you being dead will harm others. Not only family/friends, but it is your tax money that keeps the country up and running. And then you have all the expenses with funeral and paperwork. im eating a huge fries and grilled burger, soaking in it's runny fat (or as i call it a heart attack on a bun) I am endangering myself by taking away those few extra years and giving myself a greater chance of suffering from a heart attack. now im walking up very old stairs that could break. now im swimming, i could drown. see everything we do could kill us. hell even walking there is a chance a plane will crash and hit us. there is always a chance that we could die.why not make all that crap illegal? say i'm swimming and i hit my head on the wall and knock myself unconcious i will drown. should they make swimming illegal because of that, or maybe make us wear "Water Helmets"? You eat burger because you think it is good. You walk old stairs because you need to get up/down. You swin because it is fun and healthy. But I really can't see the bloody fun in playing with death by not wearing seat belt. And perhaps you should compare the number of people who dies due to lack of seat belt and those who die due to hitting their head in a swimming pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 Am I seeing a lead into a giant conspiracy theory, where the government is conspiring to take away all our rights, and it started with seatbelt laws? I hate these..... Not really a lead, just pointing out that giving up freedoms for a feeling of safety COULD eventually lead to this. Because you being dead will harm others. Not only family/friends, but it is your tax money that keeps the country up and running. And then you have all the expenses with funeral and paperwork. My being dead will not HARM them, it will sadden them and cause them grief, but they will recover. I've lost 2 friends in car accidents, they were wearing seatbelts but they still died, but it doesn't haunt me every day. I cried a lot when it happened, but life goes on. And the amount of money lost in tax dollars will be countered by both money they save on paying my social security were I to grow older, and the fact that more kids are born than people Die each year. The government can lose me and not care. You eat burger because you think it is good. You walk old stairs because you need to get up/down. You swin because it is fun and healthy. But I really can't see the bloody fun in playing with death by not wearing seat belt. While eating that burger may be good, if I eat nothing but fast food I'm almost 100% guaranteed to die early of a heart attack. So if the government needs me alive so much for their taxes why don't they make me eat healthy? What about going bungie jumping or sky diving? People can die EASILY from those, they are very dangerous. If the cord breaks or the chute doesn't open...................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 wait... so there is not seat belt laws in the states? Wow! I am just so used to it I thought every country had one! and as for this post: Originally posted by Solbe M'ko We have a law about seatbelts in Canada. It's just an attempt to get more funds for the state (just like Photo-Radar), so that Jean can spend taxpayer dollars on a new private jet. I love this country, but I have a great distrust of our government. Wow. nice to know your know your politics! NOTE: that was sarcastic. My dad works for the DND (Department of National Defense) and his job is to book and coordinate all those flights needed for the members of parlement. Those news planes you are complaining were in GREAT NEAD! The old planes were in ****ty state and couldnt fly quite far without the need of refueling. Think of it this way. Would you rather have two new Challenger planes (allthough good planes, they are far from being fancy) which did cost a lot of money to the tax payers, but what planes DOESNT COST A LOT OF MONEY. Here are the options: - would you rather have the government buy two really expansive 747 airplanes with every possible high tech toys that gives you the ability to run a country on it that costs billions of dollars to maintain and operate... sorta like what the USA has. - or would you rather get two smaller type airplanes that pretty much the exact commercial duplicate that any nation airline has. I know a lot about Canadian politics and fairly a lot about internation affairs. Hell, if i dont know something i ask my girlfriend. she's studying political science. Sorry if i seem mean or rude, but i just really get into it when someone talks about national Canadian politics and get the facts wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 there is. we just think it shouldn't be. atleast i don't think there should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 A huge driving force in the seatbelt laws of the U.S. (and probably other countries as well) is the Insurance Industry. This is the same driving force behind the Helmet Laws, especially with child bicyclists. If you think about it, it makes good sense: the number of accidents involving automobiles has increased exponentially since the advent of the automobile itself. The amount of money lost by insurance companies to the victims of accidents is significant. Studies show clearly that seatbelts save FAR MORE lives and avoid FAR MORE injuries than in people who don't use them. The more people who wear seatbelts, the less death and injury, the less money paid by the insurance companies. All this translates into less money I have to pay in my insurance premiums each quarter. The current drive to "click-it or ticket" is undoubtedly a direct result of lobbying by the Insurance Industry. Still, I think that as long as you don't have passengers, seatbelts should be voluntary. Any and all passengers should be wearing them, however, and the driver should be the one held accountable for tickets in that case. That's just my opinion. I wear the sh*t out of my seat belt. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 I never thought about the Insurance companies......that is a good point, less car accidents = less money I pay for insurance..... And I agree that it's the drivers responsibility to make his/her passengers wear seatbelts, because then you ARE in control of their lives and it's your job to protect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Must admit I'm kind of with ET Warrior here, Seatbelts should be worn through choice. However i feel far more strongly that human life is precious so.... I voted yes. However, people's life insurance should be void if they die in a crash with no belt on, after all they know the risks. Sometimes I wear mine, sometimes i dont, it depends who is driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 When I first saw this thread, I thought it was a survey to learn how many people buckled up. Then I saw the topic of the poll. Don't get me wrong here. I love America, and I love Americans. But I cannot for the life of me understand these few Americans who willingly put themselves at risk and allow others to put themselves at risk in the name of "democracy" and "freedom". You're not less free or less republican if you wear a freaking seat belt. If you are, then tell me where in the constitution it says that you can't be forced to wear a seat belt:rolleyes:. Same with sitting on the back of a van. Many of the posts in this thread are fallacies, but I'll just second C' Jais: Yes, it should be required by law. It's such a small thing, it [almost] doesn't hurt, it takes no time to do and you'll be all the better for it. I can't imagine why people would want to drive without it. It's like those lines on train stations where they mark how close to the rails you can go before the train stops. Surely it's up to people themselves to determine how far they're willing to risk their own life? Nobody on these boards have the least of an argument to not wear seat belts maybe save from this girl, who is unfortunate enough to have an allergy (to IS: Keep wearing a seat belt:)). Not really a lead, just pointing out that giving up freedoms for a feeling of safety COULD eventually lead to this. Thank you, my democratic friend, for so nicely proving my point. Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle Thank you, my democratic friend, for so nicely proving my point. Have a good day. :confused: uhhhh, what point did I prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior But not wearing a seatbelt would only hurt someone if my body got launched out of the car in an accident and my body were to slam INTO somebody.......but the odds of that happening are not good. I've been in a car accident. Had I not been wearing a seatbelt I would've killed my dad as my body would've been thrown straight into his ribs. Trust me, unless you're driving alone, the odds seem low now but they could play out different in a crash. And beyond that, killing a family member (that was wearing a seatbelt and would've otherwise survived) because you weren't wearing one, that's the type of thing that'll mess you up. Many people think they're infallible (not saying you in particular do ET. I do though, whew, learned the hard way many a time ) and then the bad things happen and stuff gets royally screwed up. Being forced to wear a seatbelt, it's protecting you even if you don't think it'll ever come into play. It's like having to wear a hardhat or safety goggles before being allowed into certain plants or onto certain sites, it's protecting you whether you want it or not. And yeah, I understand that seatbelts don't save everyone but they save far more than if people didn't wear'em (...that sentence make sense?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Originally posted by Pisces And yeah, I understand that seatbelts don't save everyone but they save far more than if people didn't wear'em (...that sentence make sense?) Makes sense, yes it does. And for the record, I ALWAYS wear my seatbelt, I am never in a car without one. I am just saying I think that it should be a choice. I dont think it should be a law. The odds of me going skydiving and my chute not opening correctly and the wind blowing me into a situation where I fall on someone on the ground, crushing us both are miniscule, but it still could happen, and skydiving is still legal..............just something I thought of. And just curious, how did that accident play out if you would hit your dad? Were you broadsided? Not wanting to sound insensitive, i'm just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle Don't get me wrong here. I love America, and I love Americans. But I cannot for the life of me understand these few Americans who willingly put themselves at risk and allow others to put themselves at risk in the name of "democracy" and "freedom". You're not less free or less republican if you wear a freaking seat belt. If you are, then tell me where in the constitution it says that you can't be forced to wear a seat belt:rolleyes:. Same with sitting on the back of a van. I dont recall anyone mentioning that it is unconsitutional to make such a law, in fact, it seems all but two support it being a law. I just think that It's a personal choice. Smoking cigarrettes will kill you almost certainly, but it's legal, if the government REALLY wants to protect us, why dont we make cigarettes illegal? That'll save a LOT of lives, probably nearly as many if not MORE than making wearing seatbelts a law. I dont know for sure, because I dont know the exact numbers for deaths related to these, and i'm too tired to think about looking them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 You're right, it might seem like a small thing, but a too big number dies in traffic accidents in my opinion, losing your life because you refused to wear a belt around your body is a meaningless way to go. About cigarette banning, I've lost two grandparents to tobacco and I'd love to see cigarettes banned. If nobody smoked, 400 000 less Americans would die each year. Each year. However, I believe people have learned from the attempt to ban alcohol in the States in the 20's (which went horribly wrong) and figured out that you cannot ban something that's so widely used. We can, however, regulate tobacco any way we can. I fully support the banning of all forms of tobacco advertisements and the banning of smoking on all public eating/drinking facilities such as resturants and bars. Also, I believe the age limit should be increased, at least to 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marichui Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Okay seatbelts are both life saving and killers. They can break your ribs or either break your ribs and save you. If there should be a law to wear seatbelts first they have to make safe seatbelts. If not they are just going to make a law that is going to kill us!!!!! These new seatbelt should be safe and comfortable before they put a law to wear a weapon. What if a robber comes up and has no gun? All he has to do is pull the seat belt around your neck, choke you, throw you out of the car and steal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 What if a robber comes up and has no gun? All he has to do is pull the seat belt around your neck, choke you, throw you out of the car and steal it. Thats why I dont wear a seatbelt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 But seriously, seatbelts do break ribs. But if you are going so fast and hit so hard as to break ribs... dude, you would have died in that accident, almost guaranteed. My father had three broken ribs from his seatbelt in his accident. The cop said that if it hadnt been for the belt, he would have been thrown through the side window of the other car. Sure, they hurt. Like a bullet proof vest. But the alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 The same way as I don't wear as seat belt as they can hurt me when my car crashes, I won't ever wear a parachute if I am to jump out of a plane 100ft over the ground as it hurts to get it over me:p. But enough teasing. Seriously, seat belts save more people than they kill. Guaranteed. Funny thing is, seat belts have not been installed for buses in Norway until the last year and it's not even a law to wear one yet. And if questioned on wheter or not it should be a law, people would go "no, it's my body, my right", pretty much the same way as you do about your car belts. But are we right? No, I think not. My old kayaking team's bus once crashed. Nobody got hurt, but we got shaken up pretty badly (as in emotionally) and my brother nearly got hit by a speeding car once. Since those two incidents I've been more careful about traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerAir1587249581 Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I think the law should stay for two reasons: 1. it's better to be safe than sorry. 2. if you get in a wreck, you will very likely get killed or seriously injured if you are not wearing one. although, if it's a BAD wreck sometimes a seatbelt won't save your life. (but maybe the air bags and curtains will?) oh, and if a guy comes up to me and intends to steal my car, I will just run him over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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