Datheus Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 One thing I've seen a lack of discussion here is music. But no longer! At school, I find a lot of kids bashing on music. Just the other day, someone named a band (I don't remember which). I couldn't hold back, I had to ask: How can you listen to that crap? So he went on to inquire about what I listened to. He asked if I listened to Mudvayne, Slipknot, some various punk bands (Sum 41, et cetera), and so forth. I could hardly keep a straight face. Then he asked me to tell him what I did listen to. I started with something he might find at least slightly tangible. The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin... And then he interrupted me with a sizable "WTF!"... Is it just me or is respect for music going down the drain? It seems like kids are just buying into radio dribble. I rarely mention that I also listen to jazz and classical because that just leaves people at school slack jawed. In fact, I'm listening to classical right now. I don't find things such as rap and death metal, which hardly consist of more than a hard hitting beat to be music. A rythmn, yes, but not music... So do you find current music to really be credible? Do you think it will get worse (if applicable)? What are the effects of the loss of music in a society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Believe me, you're not the only one... There's no respect for any music these days that isn't churned out on the radio or MTV. I cringe when people ask me what I listen to because I know saying any music that is either: Made within the last year Not by some "mainstream" or "cool" artist Not pop/rap/"metal" Will get the standard "OMG u r weird!". It's depressing, really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted November 9, 2003 Author Share Posted November 9, 2003 Originally posted by Jed Will get the standard "OMG u r weird!". I believe to correct spelling is "wierd" [/tongueincheek] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Commercialization has killed music as an artform to solidify it as an industry. As an industry, it makes lots of money for musicians, producers, record labels and the like. But as an artform, it's gone down the tubes. Bands with the talent of Pink Floyd and Led Zepplin are rare. I found it interesting that in the 1970's, Led Zepplin was criticized heavily by the music community as being to "over the top," etc.... but in the 1990's, 11 years after the band broke up with the death of their drummer, they were lauded as "ahead of their time" and "geniuses of rock" by the very publication that was overly critical of them. Namely Rolling Stone. Pink Floyd was always a rarity and Waters was always concerned with the artistic value of his work. He was filming their work before MTV and VH1 and was one of the few musicians that blended the visual art with music in ways that cannot be described unless one has seen/heard The Wall. Even the album covers created a visual connection to the music. These days, I stick to Jazz forms like Cool, Bebob, and Hard Bob. I can listen to artists like Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Charlie Parker all day and not tire of the music. My car radio has three presets: NPR, a Classic Jazz station from a local university, and an A.M. all-news station. I've little sympathy for the music industry's plight with the Peer-to-Peer scene... if artists want to save the industry, some serious restructuring and shifts in paradigms are needed. I want to see the return of music for the sake of art and not the $. In the 60's and 70's, you could still find radio stations devouted to genres like Delta Blues, Chicago Blues, Texas/Panhandle Blues, Country, Western, Western Swing, Bluegrass, Rock & Roll, Heavy Metal, Popular, Rythym & Blues, Soul, Motown, Swing Jazz, Dixieland Jazz, Cool/Bop Jazz, Acid Jazz, etc., etc., etc. These days you get: Alternative, Country (without the "western"), Classic Rock, Hip-Hop/Pop, Rap, and Smooth Jazz. Another favorite genre of mine is Blues. I like all the regional styles and the stuff from artists of the 50's & 60's like Muddy Waters, Son House, Robert Johnson, and anyone with "Blind" at the beginning of their first name (Blind Willie, Blind John, Blind Mississippi... etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 Originally posted by Datheus I don't find things such as rap and death metal, which hardly consist of more than a hard hitting beat to be music. A rythmn, yes, but not music... So do you find current music to really be credible? Do you think it will get worse (if applicable)? What are the effects of the loss of music in a society? It's funny how the act of eating has progressed from a simple need to survive, to a celebration of self-indulgence. Food now not only has to be nutritious, it has to taste good, perhaps even look good. One can trace an almost equal line with music. Is what some African tribals are doing to their drums music? Does it have to contain lyrics? Does it have to contain meaningful lyrics? I don't think so. Meaning is entirely relative to the listener, not the creator. Maybe someone out there is getting more out of a Britney Spears song than you will ever get out of a Pink Floyd song. Yup, I like classical too. I like some rap as well. I don't really give a damn about lyrics when I'm in the mood for a good beat or riff. It's all aesthetics to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 I don't have time for a long post, but I'll just say: Please dont judge the opinions of a large population by the actions of high school students. It doesn't matter if you're talking about music, or clothes, or anything. If you are different from them, then you are going to get the "OMG u r weird" response. Doesn't matter what it is. that said, I like anything that I like. If I hear a song that I like and then find out that they're "mainstream" or whatever, I dont care. I like what I like. I'm not going to stop liking a song because "OMG They didn't write their own lyrics!" or "They were 'made'!!!" It doesn't matter to me, really. Incidently, I can't stand Pink Floyd, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, etc. In fact, I dont like most "classic" rock bands. I never have. Does that mean I have no music appreciation? What, am I supposed to like certain music to be considered having "taste"? I like what I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Lyrics to Britney Spear's song "Touch of my Hand": I'm not ashamed of the things that I dream I find myself flirting with the verge of obscene Into the unknown, I will be bold I'm going to the places I can be out of control And I don't want to explain tonight All the things I've tried to hide I shut myself out from the world so I Can draw the blinds and I'll teach myself to fly I love myself It's not a sin I can't control what's happenin' 'Cause I've just discovered Imagination's taking over Another day without a lover The more I come to understand The touch of my hand From the small of my back and the arch of my feet Lately I've been noticing the beautiful, oh, me I'm all in my skin and I'm not gonna wait Commence on myself in the most precious way And I don't want to explain tonight All the things I've tried to hide I shut myself out from the world so I Can draw the blinds and I'll teach myself to fly 'Cause I've just discovered Imagination's taking over Another day without a lover The more I come to understand The touch of my hand There's a world undefined In my body and mind I won't be left behind I'm already here 'Cause I've just discovered Imagination's taking over Another day without a lover The more I come to understand The touch of my hand 'Cause I've just discovered Imagination's taking over Another day without a lover The more I come to understand The touch of my hand Hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, yeah Hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah I do like the new message she's sending out to her pre-teen fanbase. Now we only need a decent musicvideo to go with this... Interview here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais Lyrics to Britney Spear's song "Touch of my Hand": I'm all in my skin and I'm not gonna wait Cool , she's a SkinWalker too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermie Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 even though you dont like the "popular" music, you have to watch yourself so you dont become one of the people that are so devoted to a band/ a artist so you just follow them blanckly. Metallica, for example, hvae made a lot of good songs, but st. anger did not at least follow their standards. but some fans still thinks its a great album just because its Metallica. watch out people! p.s. I like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Nirvana, (some) Metallica, and being the only "new" band; Linkin Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawBag™ Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I believe it was Bono of U2 fame that stated "Music is the universal language". And I agree. The problem with music as an 'industry' (and I use the term loosly) is what the "artists" are doing now is simply a rip of things brilliant bands such as The Beatles. Thats another thing - cover versions. Theres far too many ridiculous covers of classic songs out there. And it's always "pop" (i.e. - sh*t music) or "dance" I cant abide those. The only decent cover I've heard in a good while is Alien Ant Farm's take on Wacko Jacko's Smooth Criminal. Metallica, for example, hvae made a lot of good songs, but st. anger did not at least follow their standards. but some fans still thinks its a great album just because its Metallica. watch out people! Metallica - Remember that they lost an entire fan base after they released their first single. Many fans believed they had sold out. These are the true fans. The ones who went to gigs and didn't care about whether the band released records or won worldide acclaim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Metallica - Remember that they lost an entire fan base after they released their first single. Many fans believed they had sold out. These are the true fans. The ones who went to gigs and didn't care about whether the band released records or won worldide acclaim. But doesn't this restrict Metallica somewhat? They release a single and suddenly they've "sold out"? What, your band has to make under a certain amount of money to be considered "real"? And they, in fact, did care whether the band released records or got famous. They cared that they didn't. The moment they did, these people up and ditched them because "you sold out man!" Maybe they just expanded their fanbase? (note: Metallica did sell out, but not as fast as their first single) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted November 16, 2003 Author Share Posted November 16, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 Incidently, I can't stand Pink Floyd, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, etc. In fact, I dont like most "classic" rock bands. I never have. Does that mean I have no music appreciation? What, am I supposed to like certain music to be considered having "taste"? No, perhaps I worded myself wrong... It's not so much when people dislike "classic" bands, or anything else that I would consider to have more "meat" than current day music, it's when they act like what they're hearing are nails against chalkboards... I'm not asking everyone to worship every type of music, but maybe just to have a little more respect and appreciation for the art form. Because that's what music is. Art. If any old piece of music can just be sold like hotcakes, where does that put music? I can write better music than what I hear on the radio... Where is the "wow" factor in that? When I listen to the art, I want to be completely blown away by the sheer power of it. I think that's where a lot of music is lacking these days... It's all very bland. That's not to suggest it doesn't have a good beat or good melody. It's to suggest that it has the same good beat and good melody as the last five songs released this month. And then on top of that, no one seems to have any respect for the "classics." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawBag™ Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 But doesn't this restrict Metallica somewhat? They release a single and suddenly they've "sold out"? What, your band has to make under a certain amount of money to be considered "real"? And they, in fact, did care whether the band released records or got famous. They cared that they didn't. The moment they did, these people up and ditched them because "you sold out man!" Maybe they just expanded their fanbase? (note: Metallica did sell out, but not as fast as their first single) Yeah, I should have given that post a little bit more clarity. But you get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterSidious Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Current music rocks. I listen to Eminem, Pac2, Snoop Dogg, Cypershill. And some hard core rock 18 visions, Darkest Hour. New Music is cool because they can say w/e they want to. It doesn't make you bad ass either, its just cool to listen to. I won't say anything about other music cause I know I would offend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 I listen to everything from Modern punk rock to classical... Besides country... (no offense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I agree with a bit of what datheus has said. Artists are now basically just dishing out songs to get the money without even seeming to focus alot on the entire album. They have 1 or 2 good songs and then they just write a bunch of crap in. Don't get me wrong I like a lot of music, but I think music needs to go back to art instead of industry. I enjoy everything skinwalker listed as his likes, I like old school punk and some new punk (not good charlotte or sum 41!), I like classic rock such as The Doors (possibly the best band ever), I love classical music, I listen to trance, old school rap, and R&b (black eyed peas, Alicia Keys) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 The doors. Yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 The doors. Yuck. lol, Very insightful post. Brittney Spears songs somewhat remind me of a wierd porno style poem :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manoman81 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 BawBag quoted Bono as saying that music was a universal language. Let me toss out another one: A professor I had said that music isn't so much a universal language. There are too many languages in our world to make music a universal one. It is more of a universal idea. I tend to agree with that more. I have noticed the lack of technicallity of many musicians today. I too like classical music. I also like classic rock (Led Zep etc). Led Zep pulled off many things that could rival Bach and Beethoven. I like Slim Shady and some other hip hop stuff as well. But all in all, music in the past few years has fallen off. I'm waiting for this teenie bopper movement to drop off as the singers get older and possibly realize that that sound is getting old....quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I'm open to alot of music. My current favorite bands are: Led Zeppelin Metallica Pink Floyd Their music is just so great. Those bands made me into the person I am today. Zep has inspired me to the point beyond imaginatio. I love the guys. But, I like alot of other music, like Yugoslavian music (thats where my parents are from...its wonderful music really), Country (2nd fave genre), and the only rap I like is Tupac... thats my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think our taste in music can be linked with our awareness of everything floating around us. When you get older you progress from liking bands because they sound cool or described as THE band to liking bands because they make great lyrics,... I think when you are in puberty you mostly follow the mainstream or the flow thats accepted by a certain group you are part of. For example: Where I live we have one "alternative" radio station and a few commercial ones. You are either part of the commercial folk or the alternative folk. So you accept everything they feed you. In my opinion that "alternative" is getting a slightly drive towards the comercial so those commercial flows are fed to the alternative folk aswell. And as their mind is is still in progress they mostly dont question what is ahead of them or too much. The possibility is when they are grown up they get more aware of everything around them and will question those things. There are exceptions off course. Another example is me liking action movies when I was young and having a more soffisticated taste now. I now like movies like The Pianist or La vitta e bella more then films like T3. Or maybe its because we are getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I like a very wide variety of music- -the doors -ac/dc -led zeplin -pink floyd -rollingn stones -aerosmith -disturbed -metallica -mudeveyene -static-x -older limp biuskit -linkin park -the who -lenard skynard -rob zombie -eminem -staind -stone sour -john williams classical indiana jones, star wars etc. -even some older country And many more have not put down And there really isnt much music i dislike, put i must say as for good chorlete (sp?), sum 41, simple plan, i just cant stand them. I also dont reallt like any type of "pop" music like spears, or the boy bands. but, if that is what people want to listen to, fine with me. I suppose you noticed that just about everything i put is classic rock, rock, or metal...thats simply because thats who i am ,i like the stuff. Simply because i dont like the music i dislike, does not mean i dont respect them, they are artists and i respect that, acept good chorlete, they suck al everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homuncul Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Another example is me liking action movies when I was young and having a more soffisticated taste now. I now like movies like The Pianist or La vitta e bella more then films like T3. Or maybe its because we are getting old. Or maybe it's because we're getting smarter. They say intelligent people listen to Jazz. I try to swing then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rccar328 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Personally, I find most rap & hip-hop to be useless - there's simply too much cussing & violence. I love music, and when it's nothing but vulgarity there's simply no real value to it. I've listened to some Eminem and a couple of other rap 'artists,' and in my opinion it's crap. I do listen to rap, though - I listen to KJ-52, John Reuben & Toby Mac, who use nonviolent means to create rap music. I don't listen to most modern music (Britney Spears, Christina Agulara, any boy bands), mainly because I simply don't see much use in it. Most of it is about sex (see the Britney Spears lyrics above), and for the young women singers, it seems to me that it's all about marketing their sex appeal - even moreso than their music. Both of these styles promote promiscuity and violence, and I simply cannot in good conscience support that (and I know that many people disagree with me). Anyway, that's my opinion of modern music. I mainly listen to Christian music - The Newsboys, Switchfoot, Jars of Clay, Jennifer Knapp, Third Day, Ginny Owens, etc. I love classic rock - Pink Floyd, Skynard, Bob Seger, Buffalo Springfield, Bruce Springstein, The Who, Joe Walsh etc. (I inherited my love for classic rock from my father). I also love Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, Peter Paul & Mary, and those kinds of artists. My all-time favorite artist of all time, though, is Bing Crosby (I also like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin & Glen Miller). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Rolling stone and the comercialisation of rock... you guys should watch "Almost Famous"!!!! I know that all people have a fondness for the music of "their era" (usually when they were about 16-21 i guess), and there is a tendancy to look back with rose tinted spectacles... (im sure there was a lot of disposable rubbish when Zep were around too...) But it does seem that the music industry, by targeting mainly the kids market in singles, has become a lot more disposable. Bands now have an insanely short shelf life, almost none lasting more than about 2 years (as their fans grow up and their taste changes) and with bands that are huge one year being dropped after one poor selling album. Most of the "classic" bands that are remembered for 30 years are remembered because they were around for a long time (or died, but that is different). Can anyone see the beatles or led zep being given a chance to make as many albums without being dropped under the current system, or the freedom to experiment? In the UK the singles chart has become meaningless, almost no sales, all hype and preprogramming of kids through cross media promotion. You are sick of songs way before they are even released. There is a fair bit of good stuff around in the album charts, but it is almost impossible to hear about it. You even hear covers of songs from a year or two before these days, and people don't rememebr the original. It does make me laugh to see all these slipknot hoody wearing kids also wearing Nirvana hoodies... i bet 90% of them wouldn't know who Nirvana or RATM even were... I hear that legally downloaded songs have now overtaken singles sales in the US, and singles are to be phased out in a year or two. I actually think that things like itunes may turn out to be the saviour of the music industry as it will allow radically new ways of finding and trying new types of music (other peoples recomendations, playlists, software that learns your tastes) and for smaller labels to get their bands out there. Here's hoping. The cd-wow debacle in the UK last week dosen't give me any faith that the record industry is learning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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