Dagobahn Eagle Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 The Bible has nothing to do with homosexuals. Lukeskywalker1, please stop what you're doing. Just stop. The Bible also that you shouldn't cut your beard or hair; that you shouldn't wear clothes made of two different garments; that you shouldn't eat meat on Friday; that you shouldn't touch pieces of dead pigs; and that you shouldn't eat shellfish. Do you observe these rules? If your answer is no, then stop being such a hypocrite or give me a good reason why you can push certain rules of the Bible in people's faces while you yourself ignore other rules totally in complete defiance. And don't tell me that you don't consider the rule about cutting beards a rule that was added by humans or something. Not after pointing out to us over and over again that the Bible is the word of God. Please actually answer this. Tell me why you impose your belief on others and yet selectively ignore it yourself. But here's the most important reason why you should, quite frankly, shut up. Suicide is the leading cause of death among homosexuals. Do you think they just become suicidal out of the blue? Then let me inform you that they certainly do not. They become suicidal from the hate and prosecution that's thrown in their faces several times a week. Oh, and in case you wondered: You're still on my Ignore List. Just be quiet. For example, they found Egyptain Chariots in the sea that Moses seperated(...) Just that the sea was dried doesn't mean that Moses separated it. Scientists believe that a strong hurrican took place at the time, and that it was strong enough to litterally blow the water out of the region. I certainly don't blame the Israelitts for thinking God did it, though:D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 There are too many reason to NOT make this up, look what happend to the people who wrote the bible... they died! Why would someone like Paul, die for something if he was making up what happend in the bible? Die for a lie? Why? All he had to do was say it was made up and they would have let him go, but he didnt! Theres no payoff for paul if he was lying all along... unless its true! It is true, believe me. Why would I lie? [/b] Yes...everyone dies. Doesnt matter if they wrote the bible, or danced in the pale moonlight. They die just like everyone else. And he could've died because he was a fanatic. 9-11 was full of fanatics who died for thier religion, tell me what thier payoff was, besides the fact they went to heaven much like Paul supposedly did. Thusly, you could conclude by your own reasoning that the hi-jackers sacrificed themselves for thier god, Allah must be true. And as to why you would lie..you wouldnt lie, merely be misinformed. Or it's the pagans that are misinformed. Heh. Edit- Dagobah Eagle, as much as I agree with you on your stance, Luke's opinion is still his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Eggplant Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 hello my name is Darth Eggplant and I am a fruit. Sure I hang out in produce with all the other vegetables, but it's time to come out of the shopping cart. I am slimey & sweet & ever so neat with schezuan noodles. Tomatoes and Eggplants are both fruits forced to live the grocery store mans lie. I say No More! next time you send someone a fruit basket be sure to include an eggplant, we are such a lovely shade of aubergine after all. Life is more than Meat and Potatoes it's not just like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight; it's a Buffett; try some Tofu why don't you. (especially if you think it looks and smells yummy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 they found Egyptain Chariots in the sea that Moses seperated, they found a rock somewhere, and it had "David King of Israel" written on it. As an Anthropology/Archaeology major, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Who found these things and when? What contextual evidence was there to suggest that the alleged chariots didn't fall off of a barge or sink with one? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 There are too many reason to NOT make this up, look what happend to the people who wrote the bible... they died! Wouldn't there be more credibility to the "Word" if they were still alive? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Why would someone like Paul, die for something if he was making up what happend in the bible? Die for a lie? Why? So did Jim Jones die for the truth in Guyana? Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Theres no payoff for paul if he was lying all along... unless its true! It is true, believe me. Why would I lie? What's the payoff for Marshall Applewhite and his followers? Was he speaking the truth when he promised that the comet was a sign to let go of this earthly existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Copied from another thread because I'm lazy: The Bible also says that people who eat fish are sinners. As crazy as this may sound, I would take The Gospel as Gospel. ;D In fact I defy you to find one valid arguement against homosexuality, for in my knowledge they've all been disgarded as philisophical nonsense. At the end of the day it comes down to person prefference, and, well, racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 It says a certain kind of fish....and it's a very good reason why it commadned not to eat it. The fish it mentions are the "trash-eaters" of the sea. ie scavengers...and really are not healthy to eat. but stop trying to change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 But the subject isn't changing. This is exactly what we're talking about. Despite what you wanted, this is a religious debate. Is it right to condemn homosexuality on the basis of the Bible? If so, why? Because it says it in two places in the bible. Once in Leviticus, and once in Romans. Leviticus also includes a myriad of stupid laws (more than the one you debunked, RP. Can you really justify the beard law?) that nobody in their right mind would follow. So why just take one seriously. And Romans claims that homosexuals should be killed. So unless you run around shooting homosexuals, Luke, I suggest you zip it, as you are being hypocritical of your own religion. Of course, that passage about killing homosexuals is hypocritical itself to the "Thou shalt not kill." RP, what we're trying to say is: Don't down yourself if you are bi because of a religion and the bible. Don't let others down you because of the bible. We say this because the bible is shaky, at best, on this particular subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 Sometimes I wish the people I know in real life felt as accepting. Just fyi, about killing the homosexuals, it was the law. If you're trying to say it contradicts itself...the law still works the same way today. If a man commits murder, the law gives him death....but you dont take it in your own hands and kill him yourself. Don't kill. But anyway, now you guys know what I deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Perhaps it's time to reevaluate who you choose as friends? I sympathize there, I really do. I had to help my gf (we werent together at the time) when she chose to stop the constant partying and smoking weed all the time and try to get her life back on track, and her friends abandoned her. It's messed up, but sometimes it takes things like this to know who your true friends are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 And Romans claims that homosexuals should be killed. So unless you run around shooting homosexuals, Luke, I suggest you zip it, as you are being hypocritical of your own religion. Of course, that passage about killing homosexuals is hypocritical itself to the "Thou shalt not kill." HA! So I was right! It was in it! Oh well Rp, you're going to find new friends. It's just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 23, 2003 Author Share Posted November 23, 2003 Yeah but these were the closest friends I had. I knew them over several years. Just really hard on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I lost a close friend when he figured out I was gay. Not only did I lose him, he also started doing some really mean things to me. I sympathize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I agree with Shock. This proves which friends are true to you, and which will just abandon you. I sympathize for you, rp, because I know how painful it is to lose deep freidns. Several of my best friends moved away recently. But your situation is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 But here's the most important reason why you should, quite frankly, shut up. Suicide is the leading cause of death among homosexuals. Do you think they just become suicidal out of the blue? Then let me inform you that they certainly do not. They become suicidal from the hate and prosecution that's thrown in their faces several times a week. Im sorry they killed themselves, but you know what? My post didnt say a thing about homosexuality, nor have i shown any hostility towards them on the forums, or in real life. Am I responsable for those people who killed themselves? No. Homosexuality is simply against my religion, i dont think the people are bad themselves, just the specific act. Have i condemed them at all in any way? No. I havnt changed my friendship with Rp in any way at all. He was scheduled to help me out with my JA projects, like hes helped me out with all of them before, and i still intend on asking him to help me out, if he wants to of course. He has always helped me out, he beta tested my old maps... he he wants, he can test my new ones. Wouldn't there be more credibility to the "Word" if they were still alive? I dont know, im just saying if they knew it was not true then why would they let someone kill them for the lie they made? As an Anthropology/Archaeology major, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Who found these things and when? What contextual evidence was there to suggest that the alleged chariots didn't fall off of a barge or sink with one? I read it somewhere... a long time ago, thats why i didnt put a lot of detail into that part of my post... because i dont remember the details And he could've died because he was a fanatic. 9-11 was full of fanatics who died for thier religion, tell me what thier payoff was, besides the fact they went to heaven much like Paul supposedly did. Even Allah said (so ive heard) that all life is precious... so i dont know. Paul didnt kill himself though... but i can see what your saying, thats an excellant point. The Bible also that you shouldn't cut your beard or hair; that you shouldn't wear clothes made of two different garments; that you shouldn't eat meat on Friday; that you shouldn't touch pieces of dead pigs; and that you shouldn't eat shellfish. Well, ive never had the oppertunity to touch pieces of dead pigs, and im not a big seafood fan. I probably eat meat on Friday, and i got a hair cut about a week ago, but i have a mustash.... kind of mixed up huh? But i would never say that any part of the bible was written by a human without divine inspiration. Im also not sure what the clothes i wear are made out of. I really need to study those chapters, and reread whether they for special porposes or something... Oh, and in case you wondered: You're still on my Ignore List. What exactly does the ignore list do? I mean, you obviously see my posts... i see yours... does it stop PMs? I havnt needed to send you a PM, so i havnt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod God doesn't hate me, but it's still wrong in His eyes. and I did nearly kill myself over it...closest friend I had (over 6 years) hates my guts now that he knows. It's hard for me, dealing with this, because I do believe it's wrong...and yet...I have those feelings. I think you are being way to hard on yourself. Everyone has something they regret in their past. The ironic thing about regret is: it's better to regret something you have done than something you havn't done. I know from your previous post and this one you are deeply religious, although some Christian teaching says god views all sins as equally sinful. I can't believe he would view your 1 time repentant act which is essentially loving toward a fellow human being the same as rape, murder, theft, greed or any of the other serious sins that are destructive. Cut yourself some slack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted December 3, 2003 Author Share Posted December 3, 2003 Well, thanks for all your responses. Quite different than I expected, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 Actually, that particular passage of revelations is referring to the book of revelations itself. These books/letters were written independently, for the most part, and so generally when they refer to themselves, it's that particular book. So I dont suppose there is any real reason why another book couldn't pop up, except the Church would openly condemn it and nobody would take it seriously, despite it likely having just as much authenticity as(if not more than) the old bible. Not many people realize this... in fact I just recently found out that the book of Esther was almost left out of the Bible. Why? Because nowhere in that book is God mentioned. You will not find the word God anywhere in that book. In other words, I don't think any books will 'pop' up and be added to the Bible. With that said, I don't have a problem with RP. From the sounds of it, he is unable to control how he feels (am I right?) at this time. Because of that, I can only blame his past, which is not his fault. He was not in control of what happened as much as he is now. RP, I can't say I know you well, but I can say that you seem to struggle with this. If you really are a Christian, you shouldn't be bothered since God forgave you. Now, I'm not saying I don't have problems and beat myself up mentally because of them, but I am trying and I think that's what you need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Rp, I myself don't think any less of you after finding this out about you. In fact, I think you are an infinitely more honest, mature and better person for being able to admit to something like this, so I respect you greatly for it I respect you because a lot of people view this as a very controversial subject, and please don't for one second think that I personally (I'm sure I speak for most others here too) think of you any differently. You are Rp, a well-respected member of this forum, and great friend to many The main thing that concerns me though, is that instead of trying to understand these new feelings, you continually try to push them to the back of your subconscious. I understand that it must be difficult for you to come to terms with, only because you've been brought up to believe against it. I myself don't have any problem with homosexuality. I have many friends who are straight, gay, bi, but I wouldn't ever hold it against them. Why? Because that's who they are, and I respect them for the good people that they are. My opinion of a person does not revolve around what sexuality they are, thinking like that would simply be shallow. I know it must be difficult, considering your religious background, to be experiencing these feelings. Well...I am a Christian. I agree with the Christian ideals, that everyone should treat others with respect, decency and kindess, despite their sexual preference. Frankly, I don't care if it is written in a book somewhere that "God" believes that homosexuality is wrong. I personally don't care, I believe that it should not be shunned and abused. As a human, free-thinking human individual, I will not let a piece of writing dictate my life. I believe in being kind to all, no matter how they view certain issues. Rp, I worry about you only because you seem to be having trouble understanding these feelings. I know it must be difficult, but don't just put it to the back of your mind. I'm not asking you to change your religious beliefs just like that, but please, know that you're not alone, that many people have trouble accepting things like this. Know that we don't think any less of you. Don't try and be someone else, just because someone says you can't feel a certain way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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