Codja X Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Why is it that most people who love the original trilogy hate the prequels? I don't quite understand A lot of people quote Jar Jar as the main sticking point even though he hardly makes an appearence in Ep2. A lot of these people think that the classic trilogy can do no wrong, but how many out there have not wound forward through the Dagobah scenes or actually like the Ewoks? All the films have their good and bad points - Ep1 has it's Pod race and Duel of the Fates - both excellent set pieces. This is balanced out by the bumbling and annoying Jar Jar. I think Ep2 is spot on - could be a little longer and the romance is a bit cheesy but apart from that it's all good stuff. Ep4 - Brilliance! Ep5 - slow Dagobah scenes, still brilliant Ep6 - The weakest of the series in my opinion - the Ewoks are annoying and completely take away from the central premise of the saga - Anakin's fall and redemption. Who wants to see some furball stealing a speeder when Vader is trying to turn his own son to the darkside? Just my opinion! Any comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 i agree on most of what you said, except that for some reason GL has lost the knack,(if he ever had it), of being able to get any emotion out of actors. my only problem with the PT is the stiff acting. other than that everything is fine. (except for jar jar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 13, 2004 Author Share Posted March 13, 2004 Fully agree with the acting comment. I think his philosophy now is that the actors are just another element that he composites onto the final image that makes up the scene, rather than them being the driving force of the story, but to be honest I just watch it for all the lightsaber action. I understand from what i've read that Hayden Christenson is far better at acting dark side than all lovey dovey and i've had no problems with Ewan Macgregor's performances at all. Is the lack of emotion down to the writing or the fact that GL directs from the editing booth? It's a shame really because I love the story, but the writing could be a *little* better. I think the prequel trilogy is severly missing a Han Solo scoundrel stlye character. We've already got C3PO as the bumbling idiot and so Jar Jar is not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borked Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 The classic trilogy made me feel on a much deeper level, even when I was just a small little kid. Ep 1 & 2 is more kiddish aren't they? Felt good to watch but still felt so.. different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Everyone has such high expectations - I think that a lot has to do with us having YEARS of Imagining how the story went - and George just went and wrote his own version - therfore crushing any of the imaginings that we would have liked to see on screen. I liked everything - except for Jar Jar. I'm pretty much okay with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 my ups and downs. Episode 1 Ups: Jar Jar was in my eyes funny (the movie needed a child rating) pod race was awesome. Maul.... need i say more the nubian N-1 starfighter *drools* i want one coruscant naboo naboo naboo Downs: anakins perfromance. (acting) hated it. midichlorine... or midi-files or something. ruined A LOT! Episode 2 Ups: ... where do i start... so many things jedi battle. space battle between obi and jango CORUSCANT!!!!!! palpatine. organa naboo tuskens droid army amidala (ROWR!) (oh behave) Downs: new species.... come on i know there are a lot of different species in the galaxy but couldnt he at least sticked with known ones??? rodians or trandoshans or something... it looks like everytime he needed a scapegoat (or however you spell it) a new specy arised. geonosians.... i know its the love movie... but the love scene didnt look right in my eyes. the ship dooku uses. come on... at least use a Tie or something or a weird version of it. Episode 4 Ups: Tattooine. Luke sandpeople mos eisly jawa's tantive V deathstar han chewie leia OBI!!! spacebattle. Downs: later on in books and the movies a little.. it seems like the rebellion doesnt have a lot of cash.. but they do have enough cash to pay Han.... a bit odd the ceremony scene..... Episode 5 Ups: HOTH!!!! falcon battle. yoda force explanation (untill midisomething ruined it) bespin. emotions from leia and chewy battle between luke and vader. bounty hunters perfect ending Downs: Luke departing hoth (no star destroyers) space slug Trandoshan (could have done better version im sure) dagohbah Episode 6 Ups: SPACE BATTLE! Jabba's end sarlac 3-po's story battle at the emperor palpatine lighting party Downs: ewoks. palpatine's end dagohbah yoda's babbling leia luke scene...... BAAAAD acting everyone has their own opinions about these sort of things. i now utted mine. anyone wish to discuss these points im open for it Wraith 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosus Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I liked ep 1& 2 better than the originals. I could connect with Anakin. I could Understand his Struggle in EP2. I really liked the scene where he goes to his mother. I could understand when He says "I killed them all..." then states something like "im a jedi, I know im better than that". I can understand why he did what he did then felt ashamed afterward. I connected more emotionally to his struggle with the darkside. Qui-gon Jinn is awesome. He is my favorite Jedi. If you read "cloak of Deception"by James Luceno, you may gain some more respect for EP1. I thought that the Droid Army was awesome. The trade Federations ships were awesome. The space Battle between Kenobi and Fett was awsome. The Clone army was awesome. I think people are too nastalgic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 i don't know why people don't like the prequels... maybe people's expectations were too high or maybe they were expecting something different. i've been a star wars all my life and when i heard GL was doing prequels i was very excited. all i wanted to see was how anakin became vader, obi-wan in his prime and how palpatine became the emperor... so far i haven't been disappointed. love ep I & II and i think ep III will be my favourite of them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by Wraith 8 my ups and downs. Episode 1 Ups: Jar Jar was in my eyes funny (the movie needed a child rating) Downs: anakins perfromance. (acting) hated it. midichlorine... or midi-files or something. ruined A LOT! Wraith 8 You didn't find Jar Jar in the slightest bit annoying? I don't mean to sound rude but how old are you? I know he's for kids but that's why Anakin is only 9 years old in - kids would want to be him and race Pods and Naboo fighters - not hang around with some fishy, long eared pillock. Jar Jar:"Mesa tinking you doon't like meee?" Obi-Wan:"You think right - p*ss off!" Speaking as an older person, we had C3PO and R2D2 for comedy value and they are a funny double act - GL could have just expanded their roles in the movie and left out Jar Jar. He is there for comedy effect, but his use is entirely inappropriate e.g. While Obi-wan is watching his master being murdered by Darth Maul, Jar Jar is "hilariously" fannying about on top of a tank with a grenade, destroying it in his "comedy" way. No need. Fully agree with the Midichlorian thing - it completely destroys the myth and mystical aura surrounding the force - why can't people just inject themselves with midichlorians - you'd have a huge number of super powerful Jedi - a load of toss if you ask me. The rest of your remarks are spot on - Padme is something else (oh yeah!) - hopefully Jar Jar'll meet his end in a satisifyingly gruesome way in EpIII:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toenail1 Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 i loved ep. 2, i thought it was almost as good as the original trilogy, it was just dark enough (okay, not even close to how dark i want it to be, but it was still good) and ep. SUCKED!!! way to kiddy. star wars is NOT for kids!!! ARGH JAR JAR AND MIDICHLORIANS!!!!!! WHY COULDNT HE HAVE LEFT THE FORCE A MYSTERY?!?!?!?!? it seriously sounds like something I would make up while i am daydreaming during chem. so, in short ep 1.=absolutely horrible ep. 2=absolutely magnificent PS: I think people are too nastalgic. we are nostalgicc because UNIVERSITY STUDIES have proven that nostalgia comes in 20 year intervals, meaning right now we are nostalgic about 80's stuff (and we really are, just look at everything) so, that would bring us to about the time the original trilogy was made thats why we love the originals so much PPS: heck, im prob. the most nostalgic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 wel you can look at my profile to see how old i am but if you must know im 23. and uhmm i didnt find jar jar anoying that much as most people do. i mean the most part you just ignore him in my eyes. and he does bring in some connections between qui gon and anakin. i think its also nicely found how he actually is responisble for the downfall of the republic to each his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 i agree, i didn't find jar-jar annoying either. and in ep II you do see the importance of his character... jar-jar is someone who thinks with his heart and not his head. He gave emergency powers to palaptine so he could build an army for the republic, because he wanted to help his friend padme… who btw, was strongly campaigning against the creation of the army (!!!???) er hello! don't you see... only a character like jar-jar would be suckered into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 I'm sorry Wraith, i'm not having a pop at you or anything. I went back and watched a bit of Ep1 again and it dawned on me: Jar Jar is SUPPOSED to be annoying. If you look at Qui-gon and Obi-wan's reactions to him throughout the film, it is of genuine annoyance. Obi-wan immediately wants to ditch him, qui-gonn is continously telling him to sort it out ("Don't do that again" - class). I've never seen so much eye rolling on film! Jar Jar is NOT funny, but the other character's reactions to him are. Brilliant. GL is a genius! "i think its also nicely found how he actually is responisble for the downfall of the republic" 100% with you there. But saying that, if the clone army was not authorised, Sidious would have taken control through the trade federation's army anyway. He's a clever chap is old palapatine - maybe he engineered the situation so Jar Jar would be in Amidala's envoy. We could start a whole conspiracy theory about Palpatine's plans! Another thing I like about prequel trilogy - the emperor's rise to power - fully machiavellian - very well thought out. It's like GL has had some experience of it or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Of course Jar Jar is supposed to be annoying. But when it comes to humour nothing beats a wookie, a golden protocal droid and his lil astromech friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by Lynk Former But when it comes to humour nothing beats a wookie, a golden protocal droid and his lil astromech friend Sounds like a good premise for a new sitcom: "My friend the hairy beast" or "Goldenrod and furball investigates" or something cheesy like that. C3PO comes home: "Honey i'm home!" Enter chewbacca wearing an apron and some washing up gloves.... There's unlimited potential in that concept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by toenail1 star wars is NOT for kids!!! You may have been mislead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 I definitely think EpIII is the make or break film for the prequel trilogy. GL has stated in interviews that the prequel trilogy will have a darker tone than the classic trilogy but we've yet to see that - ESB is probably still the darkest one there is at the moment. Hopefully he won't try and get the film into the "U" or "PG" rating (i'm not sure what the american film ratings are) and go for a "12" (pg-13 in the land of the free I think). From some of the spoiler pics of anakin i've seen, there is no way that's going to get into a family film. I just hope he doesn't compromise too much to get a low rating. My order of how good the films are (best at top) Ep IV: A New Hope Ep V: The Empire Strikes Back EpII: Attack of the Clones EpI: The Phantom Menace EpVI: Return of the Jedi (sorry, Ewoks p*ss me off more than Jar Jar) Also, has everyone got used to the names of the prequels yet? I thought they were cheesy as f*ck when I 1st heard them, but i've definitely got used to them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Ep. II could have had a PG-13 rating if GL would have shown the tuskan slaughter sceen. i think Ep.III will get a PG rating because blasters and lightsaber cartorize (sp) wounds and their is not much gore despite all the action and killing. but i think it should get a pg-13 rating so lucas can have some leway (sp) with the dark moments and isn't conformed to resizing the violence in fear of overstepping the PG rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by Codja X I'm sorry Wraith, i'm not having a pop at you or anything. I went back and watched a bit of Ep1 again and it dawned on me: Jar Jar is SUPPOSED to be annoying. If you look at Qui-gon and Obi-wan's reactions to him throughout the film, it is of genuine annoyance. Obi-wan immediately wants to ditch him, qui-gonn is continously telling him to sort it out ("Don't do that again" - class). I've never seen so much eye rolling on film! Jar Jar is NOT funny, but the other character's reactions to him are. Brilliant. each person sees the level of anoyance in a different way my friend. i find him funny. others find him anoying. example: in Star Wars Galaxies starsider server. in coronet starport there is FAT human almost naked shouting that he needs money. he has been there for 4 weeks now. and he made close to a million credits. there are groups that LOATH this person for its anoying shouting and apearance. but you have no idea what a huge fan club this guy has because other find him incredibly funny. .... anoyance just like humor has different levels. Wraith 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codja X Posted March 17, 2004 Author Share Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by Wraith 8 .... anoyance just like humor has different levels. Wraith 8 You can't say fairer than that! Well put my good man! I've still got to say that you're a member of a VERY small minority but difference makes the world a more interesting place:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I wish they had found better child actors, especially ep 1 anakin and ep 2 Boba. Anakin was too young, didn't seem enthusiastic enough, and his "yipee" when he was told he could go home was cheesy. Boba in ep 2 was too much of a sissy to become the ep 5-6 Boba Fett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 hey i agree with you there.. is yipee was HORRIBLE!!! they should have said to him that he could peek inside amidala's bra and maybe he would have been more excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Well, people don't hate the prequels as much as they're deceived... Ep1 was for kids, Ep2 was for teens(come on now a teen in the middle of his teenage years crisis). Unlike the Originals, the Prequel did not have the same undividable gang. Han(the scoundrel), Leĩa(the princess), Chewie(the big guy), Lando(the suave guy), C3PO and R2-D2(the two comical relief), Obi-Wan(the old wiseman) and Luke(the hero). This is a standard "gang" in many many movies, stories, books, etc. The Prequel didn't. The Originals had these characters that connected to each other and never got separated(well, you know what I mean). Anakin wasn't...good in Ep2...it was bad acting...or maybe I don't watch enough movies about teen angst... Still, both prequels were...lifeless...the Original touched you in a way the Prequels didn't. You felt bad for the Rebels when they got slaughtered on Hoth, you were yelling at the Imperials for killing innocent furballs(I hate you all Ewok haters!!!) and you felt the warth when Anakin finally looks at his son with his own eyes. Sure Ep2 had technology and Ep1 also. Why couldn't they do something good with the Space battles? They were unimpressive compared to the awesome one in RotJ. The Jango/Obi space battle also...oh asteroids...where did I see that? Oh yeah Ep5... GL also seems to have borrowed a lot of the concepts from the OT. Such an example would be the Gungan Army battling the Trade federation. Primitives against technologically advanced foes. Ewoks vs Imperials anyone? Anakin fires proton torpedoes into the generator...then the big orb thing of the Droid Control Ship explodes. Luke blowing up the Death Star anyone? Old wiseman finds force sensitive kid. Obi-wan and Luke maybe? He could have done something a bit more original... The worse of the worse is that he says that the movies are meant to be seen from Ep1 to Ep6 in order...ok now that kills all the suspense, all the plot twist of the Original trilogy. You'll recognize Yoda instantly. You'll know who Obi-Wan is. You know that Vader is Luke and Leia's father. The last one is the worst. It's one of the greatest plot twist of ALL TIME and watching them in order simply ruins everything... Thanks a lot George Lucas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 that's why i'll just watch it once from 1-6 and show it to my friends in the order they came out. plus GL meant for the PT to borrow alot from the OT so when you watch them from 1-6 you see alot of foreshadowing and crap like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I think some of the reasons people dislike them simply because they don't look like the OT - which in my opinion is absurd because 1 and 2 were made over 20 years after the OT. I think there has been a slight advance in movie making over the last few years heh. I also don't think the acting is as good as it could have been, but oh well. I just hope GL makes up for things in ep 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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