sadisticmonkey Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 You can't choose or not choose how your brain works. You can choose how you believe you are but not if you ARE straight, gay, bisexual or lesbian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 yes you can. because the devil gives you those thoughts, and you can either embrace them, or disregard them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Ah yes, the devil... rock music, porn, bad thoughts, witchcraft, all the devils work, let's blame anything we see as bad on the devil. The devil is giving me thought about eating KFC which is ultimately bad for me, gasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Bad Lynk, you know KFC is one of the leaders in indigestion and obesity! You can't choose or not choose how your brain works. You can choose how you believe you are but not if you ARE straight, gay, bisexual or lesbian. Word. I am a straight man, but the funny thing is, I have many homoerotic thoughts at times, but I choose to disregard them. I don't see it as being choice or whatnot, but it's just natural. And I have never even looked at a man in a homoerotic way. *kudos for IS for helping me with this* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior And I dont know why you felt it was important to post that sacred doctrine reelguy, what exactly is it's purpose? its purpose is to show that God exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 For pity's sake, do you impose Christianity and God on everyone you meet? Anyway, there is no hard evidence that God exists, there is only beliefs. Unless we find the holy grail or the spear that killed Christ and examine this more closely, there's no hard evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by Lynk Former Ah yes, the devil... rock music, porn, bad thoughts, witchcraft, all the devils work, let's blame anything we see as bad on the devil. The devil is giving me thought about eating KFC which is ultimately bad for me, gasp. Don't forget mentally ill people... they too used to be the work of the devil according to christians. Where have you been Mike ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 they already found one of the nails that entered Christs hand ,and pieces of His cross,wait ,let me guess ,those arent the real thing .why do u need hard proof ?then if i say that i bought something at the store ,yu could technically say ,i need hard proof to believe it.since when did christians call mentally ill people the devil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn yes you can. because the devil gives you those thoughts, and you can either embrace them, or disregard them. Then in that case, the Devil screws with the chemistry of somebody's head and makes them gay. "HOLY CRAP, SCORE ONE FOR THE BAD GUYS, I MADE A GAY GUY." ~ The Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 they already found one of the nails that entered Christs hand ,and pieces of His cross,wait ,let me guess ,those arent the real thing .why do u need hard proof ?then if i say that i bought something at the store ,yu could technically say ,i need hard proof to believe it.since when did christians call mentally ill people the devil? And just how did they know they were these actual nails, did they have a DNA sample ? And who said the mentally ill were the devil ? I said people used to beleive mental illnes was the work of the devil, meaning the mentally ill were posessed by him. http://allpsych.com/psychology101/psychopathology.html Our earliest explanation of what we now refer to as psychopathology involved the possession by evil spirits and demons. Many believed, even as late as the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries that the bizarre behavior associated with mental illness could only be an act of the devil himself. To remedy this, many individuals suffering from mental illness were tortured in an attempt to drive out the demon. btw.: spaces go after periods and comas, and 'you' is spelled y-o-u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieStarWarsGeek Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 they already found one of the nails that entered Christs hand ,and pieces of His cross,wait ,let me guess ,those arent the real thing .why do u need hard proof ? Why do we need hard proof? Because nothing should go on blind faith. They haven't "found" any of those things.. Dozens and dozens of churches throughout the middle east and Europe claimed to have such relics, and why you might ask? Because a relic makes your church a more holy site. It attracts patrons. It gives it fame. Why is it that a dozen different places claimed to have the shroud of turin? Or the spear that went through Christ's heart? That just about every church had a real piece of the cross? Or that dozens had the cloth that wiped Jesus' face on his last walk? You should really know these things if you're a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Exactly, if you were to put all the cross relics that were found you'd have like a dozen crosses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by Jed "HOLY CRAP, SCORE ONE FOR THE BAD GUYS, I MADE A GAY GUY." ~ The Devil "OMGWTFBBQCAKE! I am 1337!!! OMG OMG OMG" ~ The Devil. And come on you guys, if you're going to tell us these 'facts' about God, you need to link us to something. I mean, I could say ANYTHING to support my arguments. Observe. Scientists actually have proven that there is no God, with experiments and complex mathematics and stuff. See? And yet you won't believe it, and why? No hard evidence, I probably just made it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 why do u need hard proof ?then if i say that i bought something at the store ,yu could technically say ,i need hard proof to believe it. Yes, technically, and practically i could actually see and touch what you've bought at the shop, i could take a look at your bill and i could go myself to that shop and convice myself that what you've bought is really for sale at this shop. And i could do that over and over again. And no, i wouldn't really believe you've bought it until i saw it with my own eyes. But even then, i could'nt be sure, you could have stolen it or whatever. But i am not going this far everytime somebody tells me "look, my new shirt". But to be really convinced i would need "hard proof". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 then technically jack ,yu shouldnt believe the ancient romans ever existed ,because youve never seen them ,there is no cold, hard, evidence that they existed. and diestarwarsgeek the nails of Christ and pieces of His cross are only on display in the Vatican ,no other Churches have them on display,so your theory for them being in other Churches is false. and there is only one shroud of Turin ,and only one cloth that wiped Christs face ,so your theory there also is false. and ,give me one Church in Europe ,other than the Vatican that claims to have the nails and Cross of Christ,or the shroud of Turin ,or the cloth that wiped Christs face please?one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 then technically jack ,yu shouldnt believe the ancient romans ever existed ,because youve never seen them ,there is no cold, hard, evidence that they existed. and diestarwarsgeek the nails of Christ and pieces of His cross are only on display in the Vatican ,no other Churches have them on display,so your theory for them being in other Churches is false. and there is only one shroud of Turin ,and only one cloth that wiped Christs face ,so your theory there also is false. and ,give me one Church in Europe ,other than the Vatican that claims to have the nails and Cross of Christ,or the shroud of Turin ,or the cloth that wiped Christs face please?one? Ok, but how does anyone know that these nails and pieces of a cross are just that - nails and pieces of a cross. What evidence is there that these objects have a connection to the cruxifiction (sp?) of Jesus, besides the Vatican's statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn 1. For one, they found the Ark of Noah. No. "They" didn't. Originally posted by yaebginn For two, other cultures have their own interpretation of the flood, That's because floods are common catastrophes on a planet where the surface is 75% covered with water. Naturally, multiple cultures have flood mythologies as well as others that include volcanic disruption, earthquake, hurracaines, tornados, and forest fires. Originally posted by yaebginn africans have other stories of it, but there was a flood, according ot evidence and all these other cultures. Mythology isn't evidence, only the barest of indicators. The geologic record doesn't show sign of a "world-wide" flood. Period. Originally posted by yaebginn but I have put my soul on the line that christianity is the correct one. Why? Answer: becuase that's the one that you were exposed to from birth. Religion is cultural. Originally posted by yaebginn 3. Again, back to Noah, which I explained in number 1. Again... back to the Noah myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 they already found one of the nails that entered Christs hand ,and pieces of His cross,wait ,let me guess ,those arent the real thing . Who is "they" and when did "they" find it where? Xian apologetics have been coming up with archaeological hoaxes to support the various stories in the bible for centuries. In the end, none of the "artifacts" are properly documented, studied in situ, or have convincing proveniences. Very often, the "archaeologist" that finds these things is a kook like the late Ron Wyatt. That you would buy into such things without question says a lot about your belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 then technically jack ,yu shouldnt believe the ancient romans ever existed ,because youve never seen them ,there is no cold, hard, evidence that they existed. Actually, there is a plethora of "cold, hard evidence" that ancient Romans existed. Artifactual and epigraphical remains are abundant. There is very little to none which supports the biblical mythologies or even Jesus Christ himself. Beyond a few references in works of Tacitus and a couple other "historians," no one seemed to know of, or care about, Jesus beyond his cult followers. As for the "artifacts" on display in the vatican, the vatican dispays the shroud hoax and recognizes it as genuine, despite the evidence that indicates that its a medieval forgery. Its a hoax. Its false. Xianity is based on such falsehoods, which is a shame because there is much wisdom and knowlege to be had from these sources, even if just about human culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by .:CoupeS:. Don't forget mentally ill people... they too used to be the work of the devil according to christians. Where have you been Mike ? Cross-country. I have practice 6 days a week, sometimes Sunday. And school too. Your theory that there is no evidence of Roman existence is wrong, and can be proved wrong in 1 word: Pompei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 then technically jack ,yu shouldnt believe the ancient romans ever existed ,because youve never seen them ,there is no cold, hard, evidence that they existed. Then tell me, when exactly did i say i believe they existed? I never even mentioned them one single time here on the forums. What's your point for bringing up this point? And i think i agree with SkinWalker, there should be more than enough evidence that they existed. There is more evidence for quite anything than for god, except for alien lifeforms, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 This was taken from another post I made, and I'm not gonna say who it's directed to, but they should know. Excerpt from "The Once and Future King by T.H. White "There was just such a man when I was young - An Austrian who invented a new way of life and convinced himself that he was the chap to make it work. He tried to impose his reformation by the sword, and plunged the civilized world into misery and chaos. But the thing which this fellow had overlooked, my friend, was that he had had a predecessor in the reformation business, called Jesus Christ. Perhaps we may assume that Jesus knew as much as the Austrian did about saving people, but the odd thing is that Jesus did not turn the disciples into stormtroopers, burn down the Temple at Jerusalem, and fix the blame on Pontius Pilate. On the contrary, he made it clear that the business of the philosopher was to make ideas available, and not to impose them on people." Badabing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Quite the turn from a Moore-bashing thread to a thread 'bout religion, eh? Anyways, for all of you asserting that homosexuality is a choice: Explain to me why 25% of all young homosexuals have attempted suicide. Who you are sexually attracted to is decided by the physical part of your body, hormons and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 can all of yu say that yu are 100 % sure that God doesnt exist ? and skinwalker stop telling me that i blindly follow and just believe anything ,yu dont know what my life is like and how happy i am with my religion ,and the happiness it brings me ,just like your agnosticism brings yu happiness . i love my religion and would die for it,i believe these things ,because i have accepted them to be true ,just like yu have accepted God to not be real ,yet i believe He is ,these things are my faith along with the center of my faith the Eucharist,and i will take them to the grave with me no matter the consequences !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 can all of yu say that yu are 100 % sure that God doesnt exist ? Nope, but I'm agnostic anyway. and skinwalker stop telling me that i blindly follow and just believe anything ,yu dont know what my life is like and how happy i am with my religion ,and the happiness it brings me ,just like your agnosticism brings yu happiness . i love my religion and would die for it,i believe these things ,because i have accepted them to be true ,just like yu have accepted God to not be real ,yet i believe He is ,these things are my faith along with the center of my faith the Eucharist,and i will take them to the grave with me no matter the consequences !!! What you just stated is what blind following means. You're accepting Christianity not because there's any tangible proof that it's real, but only because you believe in it, makes you happy, and that you would follow it no matter the consequences. For instance, from dictionary.com: 4. Not based on reason or evidence; unquestioning: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.