jon_hill987 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Wow they are teaching kids to be pirates in school, Arrrrh. On Deck yer scanderlous Dogs! Arrrh! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4055753.stm or maybe not. what are they going to say? "just remember kids, coppying music is bad!"? I mean it wont even be intesting like when they get a police officer to tell you about drugs. "Any questions?" "Did you do drugs sir?" "Ye... I mean, No. No i didn't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Music piracy, including illegally swapping music online, costs the UK music industry millions every year and has been blamed for a decline in world-wide CD sales. pfffft, they need to learn to stop making ****ty music then. Same with american BS. I hardly see how they lose money, maybe they don't make as much, but they surely don't lose it. I mean if the person wasn't going to buy it in the first place they werent' going to make it. By saying that does that mean because I dont' buy, nor will I ever buy, a justin timberlake album, he's losing money? (no I don't download it either) anyway, I think this is just another major waste of valuable learning time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I love people. Seriously, it doesn't require that they have anti piracy lessons at school. All they need to be taught is some ethics by their parents... >.> <.< *runs and hides, quivering in fear* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebbers Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 shock collars...when your kid sits a computer..put a shock collar on 'em....shocks go off when the kid goes to a pirate a song or something...that would teach 'em! *gets massive electrical shock* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalukai Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 qhy in the hell would i want to rebuy an album each freakin time they come out with a new format for it????? screw corporate music industry it costs 3 bucks to make a cd they sell it for 20 and maybe the bands get 50cents from it. their revenue comes mostly from ticket sales.... if they hear the music - theyll go see them... only thing popl are doing is eliminating the middle man and they cant have that. breaks down like this... if I like the whole album ill buy it. if i like the band ill go see em... but if i only like a few songs of a 20-40 buck cd ill burn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 meh i buy most of my music online for cheap. like 50-70% off the retail price. and new. of course, i do dload the music first to see if i like it, after listening, i buy the cd, or delete the mp3 and forget buying the cd. but if it's a song you can hear on the radio, i just keep it on the computer, and save a few dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by Nalukai breaks down like this... if I like the whole album ill buy it. if i like the band ill go see em... but if i only like a few songs of a 20-40 buck cd ill burn them. I feel the same, who wants to spend 12 quid on a cd they like one track off? mind you singles are the biggest rip off of all, 3.99 in this country! [sea cap'n] oi ax ye. tis no small wonder we're all sailin the high seas. Arr![/sea cap'n] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by jon_hill987 I feel the same, who wants to spend 12 quid on a cd they like one track off? But this is why things like iTunes are a good idea - you just buy the tracks you like, without having to pay up for the whole album. I just wish they used a higher quality for the tracks, considering you get a higher quality from a CD. Anyway, I don't agree with piracy (people distributing ripped music freely across the net), regardless of how much money the music industry is making out of it. The problem is that when you download a CD off the net - the musicians are receiving nothing from you. Therefore I find it ironic that some people can complain that the musicians are getting next to nothing from each sale - and then justify taking even that away from them. Well, it's pathetic really. What a wonderful world it would be if we all worked for nothing. I'm sure every one who pirates things would like to go to work 40-50 hours a week and receive no pay - or just get a few quid at the end of the week. I'd prefer to see more things along the lines of iTunes, where you can pick and choose the music you want - but at a lower price per track, and a higher quality format (lossless). Also, it would be good to see bands making their own music available for purchase over the net, rather than have to go through music publishers etc. In those terms, up and coming bands don't seem to be doing enough on their websites to make them interesting places to visit on a regular basis. Net radio stations are also gaining in popularity, and should provide another incentive not to simply download ripped music. Why rip it when you can listen to tracks online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith I hardly see how they lose money, maybe they don't make as much, but they surely don't lose it. Absolutely. It's a difference that a lot of companies / industries seem to be confused by these days. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I'd be glad to pay for a single song via a program like iTunes, but they have crappy quality. I don't condone piracy, but I don't exactly condemn it either. I also don't condone the music companies charging a ludicrous price for these trashy cd's they make. 2 good tracks at most on an album and they just fill up the rest with crap they made up to fill space. most of the time when I download things it's cd rips of songs I own on vinyl (classic punk and such). My qualm is a lot of shops around here don't sell the artists I listen to, if it's not new and a "hit" most places don't sell it, so my only option is to either download or purchase off ebay for a ridiculous price. And I'm not really a fan of online purchasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Originally posted by •-BLaCKouT-• Absolutely. It's a difference that a lot of companies / industries seem to be confused by these days. B. indeed. maybe they lose a lot of figures, but not money. They confuse sales being less than estimated ones as a loss. When it's not. making a cd only costs a company a dollar. and not purchasing a cd does nothing for an artists intake. They make their actual living from tours. CD sales are mostly just the labels intake. everyband I listen to I've seen their concerts. They have my money. hell with DJ Doboy I donate money to the guy. He freely puts his music up to download on his site. He streams it 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 If I ever got taught that, I would argue with the teacher all the time. >.> Then again, I argue with all teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hey, another one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4056201.stm again complaining about the billions of $ they are "losing". Mr Dyson said the main perpetrators were likely to be teenagers and people in their early to mid-20s. they dunno what they are talking about, I think its old people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 again, if they made better music I'd purchase their album, but alas, the suck so I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 ah, a piracy discussion.... ! *puts out the Mike(txa) signal......a large skull n crossbones is seen illuminatiating the sky over Marlborough, MA*........ mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Morally I halfway support Piracy. Video Game Piracy. Why? Because here Original Video Games are ****in costly. Who gives a **** to buy a mere video game for 1000-2000 Rs. when you can get it for merely 50-200? I will support piracy until the prices drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Sabretooth Morally I halfway support Piracy. Video Game Piracy. Why? Because here Original Video Games are ****in costly. Who gives a **** to buy a mere video game for 1000-2000 Rs. when you can get it for merely 50-200? I will support piracy until the prices drop. You will incur the wrath of Mike with such talk I wholeheartedly agree though, games are DAMN expensive.... if they werent, piracy would never be as rampant IMO.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 UK music sees record album sales celebrating their best ever year for album sales, with a record 237 million sold in the 12 months to September. The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) trade body said albums by the likes of Keane and The Streets had helped drive a 3% rise compared with last year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4044303.stm Basically, music sales went down cos they were making rubbish, people didn't want. They have now diversified and sales have gone up. Like any new distribution method (radio, home videos, tv, etc...) the established sources will always complain that it is destroying their established revenue streams, but what really happens is they eventually adapt (or new people come in) and NEW revenue streams appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leper Messiah Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 im very much against piracy, somehow if someone downloads an album nobody thinks anything of it, but if the same person steals the same album from a shop thats definately a crime in everyones book, but there is no difference. If people don't like some tracks on albums or think that too much is charged for records then DON'T GET THEM!. Maybe 12-15 pounds is not a reasonable price for an album, but unfortunately £0 is also an unreasonable price as well. i remember when Metallica had their run in with crapster, people who'd been caught downloading music staged protests by destroying their Metallica CDs and T-shirts and things, basically they got caught stealing, were punished and then they decided to hold a big communal two-year-old-standard tantrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by Sabretooth Morally I halfway support Piracy. Video Game Piracy. Why? Because here Original Video Games are ****in costly. Who gives a **** to buy a mere video game for 1000-2000 Rs. when you can get it for merely 50-200? I will support piracy until the prices drop. Oh no, you have to pay money to support the people who did all the work for it? Unbelievable, what a ridiculous system, where we have to pay for goods, we should just steal them so those programmers and people who worked to hard to bring you video games get nothing. Perhaps then they'll all decide to just screw it and NOT make video games, and then there won't BE new video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Oh no, you have to pay money to support the people who did all the work for it? Unbelievable, what a ridiculous system, where we have to pay for goods, we should just steal them so those programmers and people who worked to hard to bring you video games get nothing. Perhaps then they'll all decide to just screw it and NOT make video games, and then there won't BE new video games. [/angry underpaid future programmer] I think the point is that the profits are FAR exceeding the costs.... Not unlike the point made above about the music industry, when product quality and diversity are lacking, anyone would be loathe to have forked out a cpl of days pay for it *wheres Old Mike(txa) I wanna hear his spiele again!! ??* mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 i like the way they do it in russia. For every sale/broadcast money goes into a central government administered pot... and is then distributed directly to the creators of the work... no money going to the record companies. Although they only get a tiny amount for each work, they still get as much as they wold get from the record company. The record company can then make a profit from hard copy sales, and all the other associated merchandise (hats, calendars, posters, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I'm against piracy no matter what, it seems that its really just a sad way to at leat thank the guys that bought you a game, but if its music, I think they should not have the same tracks on 3 cds, and actually be more inventive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 I think the point is that the profits are FAR exceeding the costs.... And I think the point is that you also have to take into account labor costs. Programmers work absolutely abysmal hard hours the weeks before a product needs to be ready so ship. (talking 6-7 days a week, 12+ hours a day). Don't they deserve to be compensated for that? Shouldn't you have to pay for the fruits of their labors? I don't care if you're getting overcharged. If you don't want to pay that much, don't play the game. It's like saying that cars are overpriced, and it doesn't cost THEM 20,000 dollars to build it, so I should be able to steal a car because they charge too much for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted December 2, 2004 Author Share Posted December 2, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior I don't care if you're getting overcharged. If you don't want to pay that much, don't play the game. Or wait for it to come out on bugget. Max Payne: 10 pounds Soldier of fortune platinum: 5 pounds (does anyone know where the option to change my keyboard to UK layout is (it's a laptop) I'm fed up with not having a pound sign) anyway there are bargians to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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