What do you think about the U.S.A. ?

[Emperor Devon]

What is everyone's opinion about the U.S. ? After reading the WWIII thread it appears the U.S. is much less popular in other countries than I though... I myself live in the U.S. and think the President is not doing a very good job, and thinks he has the right to police the world.

[Derc]

It's a tricky situation. As the world power, do we have the right or obligation to police the world? Should we meddle in the affairs of other nations or countries? Or should we just retreat to the policy of isolationism like we did in events preceding the previous World Wars?

 

Whatever the case, there will be countries/nations/groups/factions that will hate us regardless of what we do. Still, as a U.S. citizen, I know that I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. For this is my country.

[jblue789]

I live in the US and I don't see Bush at fault... he's too stupid to know what he's doing... It's the Bush administration that's doing all the work. Of course, living in the US is pretty fine, other than the constant rising gas prices, and the annoying politicians and stuff, I'd have to say the majority of Americans have it pretty good. And hey, if anyone decides to bomb us, well, we have enough nukes to blow a country off the map.

[Rogue15]

I'm proud to be an American. I believe we did the right thing by going into Iraq.

 

Osama will get what's coming to him eventually.

 

I like the many freedoms we have in America. We can do pretty much whatever the **** we want.

[Emperor Devon]

Originally posted by jblue789

I live in the US and I don't see Bush at fault... he's too stupid to know what he's doing... It's the Bush administration that's doing all the work. Of course, living in the US is pretty fine, other than the constant rising gas prices, and the annoying politicians and stuff, I'd have to say the majority of Americans have it pretty good. And hey, if anyone decides to bomb us, well, we have enough nukes to blow a country off the map.

 

Actually, we have enough nukes to blow up the world.

[stingerhs]

hmm, its an interesting question, and it deserves an equally interesting answer.

 

first off, i love the United States. its my country, and i'm proud to be one of its citizens.

 

second, in order to come to a conclusion, you have to look at where the country is heading. President Bush has started two wars based on pre-emption in order to stop terrorist activities in the US. i've always had mixed views on what we've done. i supported the war in Afganistan since we were taking the war straight to the terrorists themselves. however, the war in Iraq was different. Saddam Hussein was a threat, i'll admit that, but if he didn't have anything to threaten us with, then why did we go? to free the Iraqi's from an oppressive leader? they just don't seem like the thankful type to me whenever they openly attack our troops in the streets. i support the troops because they're there, but i don't support the President for putting them there in the first place. but, now you have to see what the war in Iraq means: the President has sent out a false message of what we want to do in the world. that message is that we will attack and invade your country if you don't comply to our wishes. that is why everyone can look forward to the next bloodbath being in Iran. just look at how Bush handled Iraq, and what is currently happening in Iran.

 

if you can't tell, i'm not a fan of 'Dubya'. he's one of those more extreme-right republicans that get on my last nerves. i'm not going to start naming off all the policies he enacted that i don't like because, quite frankly, you don't want to read a 2000 word essay in a post.

 

anyways, IMHO, get rid of Bush and other politicians like him and this nation will be much better off.

 

edit: and before you start calling me a member of the green party, i'm not a fan of a lot of extreme-liberal ideas neither.

[jblue789]

So true, stinger. The Iraqi war has got to be the stupidest thing Bush did. I hope we lose it the way we lost 'Nam. :/ I mean, no offense to anyone with family or friends fighting it out in Iraq, and I certainly don't want the soldiers to die, but we've screwed around with Iraq for too long...

 

EDIT: Go Arnold! "President of California" I was a bit skeptical about him first, but he's actually a good governor.

[Emperor Devon]

Originally posted by jblue789

So true, stinger. The Iraqi war has got to be the stupidest thing Bush did. I hope we lose it the way we lost 'Nam. :/ I mean, no offense to anyone with family or friends fighting it out in Iraq, and I certainly don't want the soldiers to die, but we've screwed around with Iraq for too long...

 

EDIT: Go Arnold! "President of California" I was a bit skeptical about him first, but he's actually a good governor.

 

I do not support the war in Iraq, but since we're there, we might as well fix it up. However, the war was a waste of lives and money. Did you know that for the cost to go with Iraq could have put computers in every school in the country?

[Vladimir-Vlada]

What is everyone's opinion about the U.S. ? After reading the WWIII thread it appears the U.S. is much less popular in other countries than I though...

 

If you have made this conclusion by reading my reply than answer yes:) .

 

I believe we did the right thing by going into Iraq.

Than that means you believe it is right to kill innocent people.

 

second, in order to come to a conclusion, you have to look at where the country is heading. President Bush has started two wars based on pre-emption in order to stop terrorist activities in the US. i've always had mixed views on what we've done. i supported the war in Afganistan since we were taking the war straight to the terrorists themselves. however, the war in Iraq was different. Saddam Hussein was a threat, i'll admit that

 

Bush was the one that started terrorist activites in the first place.

 

America's goverment is a bureaucratic, fascist group of company owners that with money strive for power, nationalism nad control.

That is why I hate America's goverment.

[lukeiamyourdad]

[Force Precognition]A sense a flame war.

[stingerhs]

^^^^

agreed. but i'll do my best to keep things on a 'debate' level.

Bush was the one that started terrorist activites in the first place.

 

America's goverment is a bureaucratic, fascist group of company owners that with money strive for power, nationalism nad control.

That is why I hate America's goverment.

well, i agree that those would definately be a reason to hate a government, but where's your proof??

 

i also wouldn't mind hearing your definition of fascism. is your definition more in line with Hitler's, Mussolini's, or maybe the current Neo-Nazism??? or is American politics simply too 'moderate' for you??

 

and no, Bush did not start the terroists activities. i hate the idea of defending the man, but you have to get over your ignorance of the facts. terrorist activities against the US have been going off and on since the US decided to support the organization of a Jewish National State, aka Isreal, back in 1948. that is whenever a lot of Middle-Eastern countries began to hate the US, not whenever Bush took office back in 2000.

 

and since when is nationalism a bad thing? surely you're a patriot as much as anyone else, or do you simply hate being identified with any country??

[Drazin]

I am an American and proud to be. I am a Christian and tend to side with Republican views more so than others. In my opinion there is no better place in the world to live.

 

That said, here is why.

 

I am a product of typical American public schools. I have never left the country and have the slightest clue as to what the rest of the world really looks like. I think England looks like a Braveheart movie and it amazes me when I meet someone from there online because I guess I see the rest of the world as tiny, dirty people huddled together in thatch roofed huts who couldnt possibly have the technology to get Online.

 

I do not think I am better than anyone else mind you, I just feel like the rest of the world looks up to America and is either so enamored with us that they try to emulate us, or become so jealous of what we have that they hate us for what they lack.

 

American Politics annoy me, No offense Darth 333 or any other lawyers out there, but I blame you most of all for the failings of the USA. When law gets corrupted by the ignorant masses of its society and the core values the society was founded on are lost, that society is doomed to failure. Too many times have we had completely moronic lawsuits filed and succeed. Thats why we have warning labels on everything imaginable. Thats why Fast Food chains now have "Fatkins" friendly menu's and why my Cup of coffee has 6 languages telling me its HOT. The inablity to discipline your children yet remain 100% responsible for their actions... The list goes on and on.

 

America was the perfect model for society, but somewhere along the way that model has been skewed and twisted into something that is not easy to be proud of. Still, I am though and until we truly lose our way I will remain proud to be called an American. Should that day come (As it grows closer and closer) and I can no longer be proud of my country, I will certainly leave it or become a hermit.

 

I support our troops even if I do not whole heartedly agree with why they are fighting. I wish America would stand up for Israel once and for all. I do NOT wish America to continue sticking its nose in other peoples problems when we have plenty of our own to worry about first, though sometimes it is neccesary as so many countries look to us for aid.

[lukeiamyourdad]

Originally posted by Drazin

I am a product of typical American public schools. I have never left the country and have the slightest clue as to what the rest of the world really looks like. I think England looks like a Braveheart movie and it amazes me when I meet someone from there online because I guess I see the rest of the world as tiny, dirty people huddled together in thatch roofed huts who couldnt possibly have the technology to get Online.

 

Braveheart is not historically accurate, like many (if not all) Mel Gibson movies. The british are demonized. Look at the Patriot. They're no short of nazis.

 

Originally posted by Drazin

I do not think I am better than anyone else mind you, I just feel like the rest of the world looks up to America and is either so enamored with us that they try to emulate us, or become so jealous of what we have that they hate us for what they lack.

 

 

I posted this at the Senate Chambers:

 

Anti-americanism isn't born from jealousy. Nobody, nobody, living in a western country, other then America(Canada, UK, France, Germany...) has anything to envy America. NOTHING. Period.

 

I'm getting tired of people throwing around that reply.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Drazin

American Politics annoy me, No offense Darth 333 or any other lawyers out there, but I blame you most of all for the failings of the USA. When law gets corrupted by the ignorant masses of its society and the core values the society was founded on are lost, that society is doomed to failure. Too many times have we had completely moronic lawsuits filed and succeed. Thats why we have warning labels on everything imaginable. Thats why Fast Food chains now have "Fatkins" friendly menu's and why my Cup of coffee has 6 languages telling me its HOT. The inablity to discipline your children yet remain 100% responsible for their actions... The list goes on and on.

 

I absolutely agree. People need to start taking responsability for their actions instead of suing and suing for millions.

 

Originally posted by Drazin

America was the perfect model for society, but somewhere along the way that model has been skewed and twisted into something that is not easy to be proud of. Still, I am though and until we truly lose our way I will remain proud to be called an American. Should that day come (As it grows closer and closer) and I can no longer be proud of my country, I will certainly leave it or become a hermit.

 

I beg to differ. There is and never was a perfect model. Humans screw things up so no model can be perfect. And no model ever takes that into account.

 

Originally posted by Drazin

I support our troops even if I do not whole heartedly agree with why they are fighting. I wish America would stand up for Israel once and for all. I do NOT wish America to continue sticking its nose in other peoples problems when we have plenty of our own to worry about first, though sometimes it is neccesary as so many countries look to us for aid.

 

The political situation in Israel is a tricky subject. I see lots of blame being thrown around. In my opinion, instead of "siding" with Israel or the Palestinians, America, if willing to end the conflict, should get rid of both sides' extremists.

In the past, America has sided with Israel, no matter what dispicable action they did(not saying the Palestinian extremists didn't do anything horrible).

It didn't help the US' popularity in the region and it doesn't help now.

[Drazin]

LOL,

Don't worry "Luke"

I wasn't being completely serious in some of that dribble.

BTW, I have been to Canada, I don't consider it leaving the country though

(I spent 7 days in Algonquin Provincial Park Canoeing and camping)

[lukeiamyourdad]

My sarcasm detector is sooo off

 

[Aleggy]

ok i am English i like being English and have no problem with it

 

now i started reading this thread and have noticed it has turned from do u hate the U.S. to do u hate Bush and i have also noticed the majority of people who have answered are from the U.S.

 

now as i am English i feel i can not honestly say wether or not i hate Bush as in reality i know very little what he is like as a president, however the view over here to my knowledge is that Bush is a little trigger happy, this i do not feel is a bad thing when it comes to dealing with terrorism but unfortunately his ways have cost innocent lives but that is not entirely his fault

 

now when it comes to the U.S. getting games/films released before we do yeah sure i get a little jealous but i dont hate the U.S.

 

when most of the games/films we get in England has to be cut or edited due sensorship i get angry at the bigotry of my government i do not hate americans for getting the full version

 

and the fact that there are certain products that uyou can get in the U.S. but not here because the can be hazadous to your health if your careless i hate my own government not the U.S. (for example i once had a friend lend me a product she got from the U.S. i cant remember what its called but it was a bottle where the lid doubled as a brush you brushed the solution on a spillage of grease the sort u can scrub for hours and wont go away its just a sticky mess you then left it for about 20-25 mins and you could then quite simply wipe away the grease it was brilliant)

 

the only thing i might hate the U.S. for is certain not all but certain americans who boast about how much better america is compared to everyone else, i just want to get a pin and deflate there big heads. lol

 

but on the whole i like america

 

i intend to visit for a holiday sometime in my life

 

but no offence i dont think i want to live there

[FiEND_138]

Yeah, stinger summed my thoughts nicely.

[90SK]

The problem with the U.S. is that the majority is ignorant. You grab one U.S. citizen, and they will most likely be open minded and smart. If you take a look at the masses, though, they are ignorent, squabbling, and greedy. Its rather confusing to me (I am a U.S. citizen, just to note. I've noticed this over my time living here).

[jblue789]

Basically, in America, persons are open-minded and intelligent, peoples are close-minded buffoons who deserve to be shot.

[Emperor Devon]

Originally posted by jblue789

Basically, in America, persons are open-minded and intelligent, peoples are close-minded buffoons who deserve to be shot.

 

Now that's what I call ironic - there's quite a few grammatical errors in your post. Coincidence?

[jblue789]

By persons, I meant individuals. By peoples, I meant groups. Those are not truly grammatical errors, as they were made on purpose. I merely made them that way to prove a point. If you thought that those were accidental grammatical mistakes, made by my lack of edumacation (purposely made) then poo on you. Besides, saying persons is more fun than saying individuals

[Xenocidal]

proud canadian here, from B.C., crack capitol of the world and more rain than you can shake a stick at. I'll state the fact that bush is an asshole and if guns were legal here (for not hunting) and i could get it across the border easily, id get a shot and make the white house a new shade is call "politician's blood red". look at my sig and you'll see something that gets my point across.

 

Edit tk102:Just shut down a thread earlier today that devolved into senseless posts of bloodlust like the last couple of posts. Won't hesitate to do it again if this thread doesn't improve.

[Vladimir-Vlada]

well, i agree that those would definately be a reason to hate a government, but where's your proof??

 

PROOF? You don't need anymore proof once you watch Micahel Moore's documentaries.

 

i also wouldn't mind hearing your definition of fascism. is your definition more in line with Hitler's, Mussolini's, or maybe the current Neo-Nazism??? or is American politics simply too 'moderate' for you??

 

All right here's my definition: Fascism is a political opinion where all the things and decisions should be in the hands of the goverment: food, health, military, civilian everything I mean EVERYTHING, political parties are banned and so on. As for your question:

is your definition more in line with Hitler's, Mussolini's, or maybe the current Neo-Nazism???

Fascism is as much same in the entire world of all times so that question, doesn't need an answer.

 

and no, Bush did not start the terroists activities. i hate the idea of defending the man, but you have to get over your ignorance of the facts

 

Same thing: watch Micheal Moore. .

 

and since when is nationalism a bad thing? surely you're a patriot as much as anyone else, or do you simply hate being identified with any country??

 

Reaction of stingerhs when he heard about the word nationalism: , Oh yeah nationalism=patriotism.Vladimir-Vlada's reaction: yeah right!

 

Who am I talking to? NATIONALISM ISN'T PATRIOTISM!!!!!

It is a completely different thing: It's when you proclaim that everyone should succumb to the politics of America and that Americans are the only nation that knows whats right and that all other cultures than American SUCK! . I believe that nationalism goes to discrimination to nazism to fascism.

 

And YES I LOVE MY COUNTRY, but it is a sad thing what has nationalism done to us (The Yugoslavian Civil War 1992-1995)

I would love to see our country united again but aless nationalism strives and destroies.

 

I do not think I am better than anyone else mind you, I just feel like the rest of the world looks up to America and is either so enamored with us that they try to emulate us, or become so jealous of what we have that they hate us for what they lack.

 

I don't envy America and that is a snobistical arogant nationalist opinion:mad: .

 

 

I absolutely agree. People need to start taking responsability for their actions instead of suing and suing for millions.

 

Then we should start taking action aginst America's military, economy, constitution and goverment:cool: .

[ChAiNz.2da]

Originally posted by Vladimir-Vlada

PROOF? You don't need anymore proof once you watch Micahel Moore's

Please tell me you're kidding?

 

I have no love for Bush, but you're taking the man who is Bush's mirror as your testimony as to what is the word of righteousness?!?

 

Dude, it's a one-sided "mock"-umentary which was completly cut in editing (I should know, I'm an editor) to reflect Michael Moore's viewpoint. In no way shape or form did Moore express the viewpoints of the oppostion. Again, I voted against Bush, but it sure wasn't because of Moore's equally 'full of crap' views.

 

It's what's known as political propaganda, and Moore himself admitted he made the "movie" for the sole purpose to stop Bush's re-election..

 

If you had any credit to your arguments, you just blew it using Michael Moore as your "proof"...

 

try again...

[90SK]

I suppose the main problem here is the U.S. media. Thats all that most other countries get of us: out TV and movie crpa. That, combined with Bush's "anti-war" tactics, and we have ourselves a bad reputation. People like Michael Moore don't improve the situation, only furthering the misconceptions ( proven; Vladimir-Vlada).

 

If everyone took much more time to fully understand each other (and not just to defend the U.S.; we really need to get back in touch with France *curses Bush* ).

 

Most all of what another country sees is their leaders/government. If Bush is doing a unsatisfactory job, it ends up being translated through the media that he is an asshole and that he wants to shape the world in his image. Hate is spawnd mainly of envy, ignorence, and revenge. I highly doubt most people want vengence on the U.S., so it must be the other two.