Joetheeskimo Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Do you think Republic Commandos obeyed? ARC Troopers? Since they've got more independence, it's possble (especially for the ARC's). It would be interesting if the ARC TRoopers refused to kill their leaders and instead defended them. *Sigh* Wishful, thinking, I guess... (I'm going to see it tonight. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Originally posted by joetheeskimo5 Do you think Republic Commandos obeyed? ARC Troopers? Since they've got more independence, it's possble (especially for the ARC's). It would be interesting if the ARC TRoopers refused to kill their leaders and instead defended them. *Sigh* Wishful, thinking, I guess... (I'm going to see it tonight. ) Probably not. Probably every clone was affected by the order, since they all serve the republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Marin Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 What I'm wondering is, if Order 66 is a genetic programming kind of thing, why didn't any red lights go off for the Kaminoans when they found out that their clones had a secret order to kill Jedi when they were told to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader523 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Originally posted by Cheech Marin What I'm wondering is, if Order 66 is a genetic programming kind of thing, why didn't any red lights go off for the Kaminoans when they found out that their clones had a secret order to kill Jedi when they were told to? Well the Kaminoans wouldnt really have a way of finding out. No one really visits their planet. Remember them waiting years and years just for a Jedi to come? There were no Jedi to go deliver the message to them, and the Empire of course wouldnt inform them. And even if they did find out and and stop clone production, the Empire had already begun recruiting as well as introducing new clone hosts by different cloners on different planets. It does make me wonder why Yoda or Obi-Wan didnt send them a message telling them what had happened, then the Kaminoans could have helped the remaining Jedi by aiding them with their own army of clones. Well im thinking too far outside the box so I suppose ill stop now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Originally posted by Cheech Marin What I'm wondering is, if Order 66 is a genetic programming kind of thing, why didn't any red lights go off for the Kaminoans when they found out that their clones had a secret order to kill Jedi when they were told to? An insider. Originally posted by Vader523 It does make me wonder why Yoda or Obi-Wan didnt send them a message telling them what had happened, then the Kaminoans could have helped the remaining Jedi by aiding them with their own army of clones. Well im thinking too far outside the box so I suppose ill stop now *imagines the holorecording* "YOU SONS OF BANTHAS! I HOPE YOU BLEED FOR THIS!" fun stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 By the time of RotS the ARC Troopers had already been removed from combat and sent back to Kamino to pass on Jango's knowledge to the new Star Corps Clone Commanders. The Republic Commandos didn't have much of a role in Order 66, since it's mainly for the clones who were assigned to a Jedi General, in which the commandos were not. But they probably recieved word that the time had come, and if they had came across a Jedi they'd kill them without hesitation (they had their independence modified same as the Clone Troopers, after all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T10 Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Remember the line from EP2, when they are describing the clones? They were programmed for absoloute loyalty. That gave way for Order 66, and the cloners didn't care because, as Dexter hinted, they were only interested in the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Monkey11 Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 emm...no they respected the rebublic,even though that they dont even though what going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 They do not respect only the Republic, but those who respect them... (And who have enough money...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 They do not respect only the Republic, but those who respect them... (And who have enough money...) If you're talking about the clones then not really, because remember the Jedi had respect for them and yet the clones gladly executed Order 66. You can't bribe them, either. Edit: My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblue789 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 He was talking about the Kaminoans, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Yes, I talked about Kaminoans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 What I'm wondering is, if Order 66 is a genetic programming kind of thing, why didn't any red lights go off for the Kaminoans when they found out that their clones had a secret order to kill Jedi when they were told to? Darth Sidious probally asked for a set of implanted commands, which he could use to control his army. Remember Episode II? When Obi-Wan visited Kamino, he was told that Darth Sidious ordered the army. Therefore, everyone involved, in the creation of the Clones, would have agreed to a set of implanted codes and commands. Otherwords, it was in their design. Every Clone would be affected regardless of their freedoms or status. Safe guard... Very wise! Obi-Wan learned in Episode II that Kaminoans were out for credits. Therefore, they really don't care about what they are used for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 By the time of RotS the ARC Troopers had already been removed from combat and sent back to Kamino to pass on Jango's knowledge to the new Star Corps Clone Commanders. The Republic Commandos didn't have much of a role in Order 66, since it's mainly for the clones who were assigned to a Jedi General, in which the commandos were not. But they probably recieved word that the time had come, and if they had came across a Jedi they'd kill them without hesitation (they had their independence modified same as the Clone Troopers, after all). Pretty lame if you ask me. I think this is a convenient excuse to let the "heroic" troopers that people got to play as in games and idolize up until now go "untainted" by the actions of the Empire. I mean, who wants to see their heroes murder the Jedi so the bad guys take over? It's sort of like how they gave Boba Fett this "sense of honor" and make him help out the good guys sometimes rather than just a greedy egomaniac who enjoys killing (like any good bounty hunter/mercenary!). Ah well, if I were in charge of the EU...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Weren't the Clones "programmed" to be completely loyal to the Chancellor? They followed Order 66 because they were ordered to do so by the man who's orders they followed by instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Of course. But the EU provides "wiggle room" for those who want to believe in "heroic clones who would never do such a thing" by saying they weren't all programmed to be completely loyal. Thus they can have their Republic Commandos and ARC Troopers sitting on Kamino drinking coffee, without the vaguest inkling of what their brothers are up to. Go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawaJoey Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I've been playing BattleFront II the past few days, and the first half of the story campaign provides a unique perspective on this. The Clones (presumably all of them) were trained and ordered in a way that gave them impression that the Jedi weren't flawless, and could be fooled. The clones beleived that the Jedi were conspirators and were eventually going to mutiny. And no matter what the feelings or respect they had for their Jedi leaders, they knew all along that when the time came, they'd do the "right" thing and obey their orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanesh Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Of course. But the EU provides "wiggle room" for those who want to believe in "heroic clones who would never do such a thing" by saying they weren't all programmed to be completely loyal. Thus they can have their Republic Commandos and ARC Troopers sitting on Kamino drinking coffee, without the vaguest inkling of what their brothers are up to. Go figure... There's actually a short story (comic) called "Orders" from Ryan Kaufman about some Republic Commandos who indeed receive Order 66 and do what they have to - they kill their Jedi General ... One of them explains to a kid that they have nothing except each other and their orders (sometimes good, sometimes bad) which they have to follow. So there are not only the "ordinary" troops, but also Commandos (and probably some ARCs, too) who obey orders without question and kill the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 PLO KOON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Darth Sidious probally asked for a set of implanted commands, which he could use to control his army. Remember Episode II? When Obi-Wan visited Kamino, he was told that Darth Sidious ordered the army. Jedi Master Sifo Dyas ordered the army ten years before Episode II, Obi-Wan also said he had been killed nearly ten years ago. It's nothing to do with implants, if there were implants Darth Sidious wouldn't have to get on the comm and tell all the commanders. Sidious would probably have briefed the Clone Commanders that one day they would have to kill their Jedi Generals, he probably told them the same things he told the Senate. Then the Commanders briefed their Troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I can't remember where I have seen it, but I think it was a fairly official source (Insider maybe?) that stated that the clones were not genetically programmed to carry out Order 66, but conditioned to do so (and the clones were conditioned in the extreme sense). They were loyal to the Republic, not the Jedi directly. Order 66 indicated that the Jedi were in fact traitors to the Republic, and so the clones felt the need to eliminate that threat. In essense, the clones were just following orders to eliminate a threat to the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 In the Dark lord novel some commandos actually allow some jedi to get away but tell them if they cross paths again they'll be forced to attack. Its a brilliant book and a must read for all starwars fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Well, not just the Dark Lord... Think there is another source of Official EU that the clones deliberately let their Mark slips away. Well while the clones are conditioned and trained they are not like droids, as in they don't recieve regular memorywipes. That means some clones will develop some kind of attachment(or things like that) to a kind companion they serve over a long period of time. I guess that is also why most of the time clone teams seem to be switching from place to place, pairing with different commanders and jedis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Leave it to the EU to try to undermine the movie. I guess they think its cooler if some of the Stormtroopers have a "heart" and can resist their genetic programming. Next we'll be getting stories of the Battle Droids who resisted orders and escaped and/or joined the good guys out of remorse for their part in atrocities committed... if they haven't already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Next we'll be getting stories of the Battle Droids who resisted orders and escaped and/or joined the good guys out of remorse for their part in atrocities committed... if they haven't already! Maybe part of C-3PO got left over in the battle droid head and body on Geonosis, and the Separatists just recycled it, giving us wussy Battle Droids who don't like to fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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