Alkonium Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well, tonight's election night in Canada, and it'll either continue or end 13 years of Liberal Government, and I for one, hope it continues(well, if someone takes Paul Martin's place as leader of the party, I'd feel a little better). What's your opinion on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I hate George Bush with a passion and hope Canada continues it's Liberal government because of that, although I try not to be involved with politics in my country (the U.S), it costs far too much to be influential in it. Please note the lack of a smiley face or other indication that I'm being sarcastic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 If I were an adult, I'd choose the NDP or Marxist parties. I voted NDP. Go Layton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 My friend voted for the communist party, only because she thinks the candidate in our riding is pretty. I can't vote yet, being only 16, but I voted NDP in the school election. It doesn't matter, though, The Conservatives will win with a minority government. I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Whoever wins, it'll be interesting to see how they work with Quebec! I was never interested in politics until I stayed with a family in France for a month when I was a teen. One of the sons, who was about 2 years older than me, corralled me the first night and started asking all sorts of questions about US politics--what did I think about the President, VP, was I familiar with the Sec'y of State, how did I think the Sec'y of Defense would handle things in a war, what issues were being debated in the Senate and House, etc., etc., etc. I was mortified because I could barely name the VP at the time, and had absolutely no idea on who was in the Cabinet, much less what they were doing/thinking, and here he is, not only intimately familiar with his homeland French politics but US politics as well, and British politics to boot. I decided that night that I didn't like being that Clueless, and so I started watching politics. It's a very interesting spectator sport. And believe it or not, your Congress reps and Senators will write you back or have staffers write you back on some issues. I actually got a phone call from a staffer one time on an issue that came up right after that crazy Health Insurance Portability Act went into effect. If you don't get involved at all, your opinions won't ever get heard. Now I'm not naive enough to think that I have any kind of significant influence on any serious policy (and I'm cynical enough to say that you need a ton of money to have that kind of influence), but I sure can let my Rep know how I feel about the various issues just the same, and he'll actually listen from time to time, so I might be able to give a little nudge in a certain direction here or there. Yes, it will be interesting to see who wins in Canada tonight, since our 2 countries have such close relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well, the Conservatives did win. Yes, with a minority government. Now, Stephen Harper is now our Prime Minister. Woot Woot......we needed a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Well, the Conservatives did win. Yes, with a minority government. Now, Stephen Harper is now our Prime Minister. Woot Woot......we needed a change. Well, I'd rather have the Socialist with the funny moustache as Prime Minister than that human weasel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I hate George Bush with a passion and hope Canada continues it's Liberal government because of that, although I try not to be involved with politics in my country (the U.S), it costs far too much to be influential in it. Please note the lack of a smiley face or other indication that I'm being sarcastic here. Note that Canadian Liberal does not mean US Liberal. The Liberal Party of Canada is actually closer to the real sense of the term "economically liberal" then the US one which these days just mean pro-gay and pro-abortion. I voted for the Bloc Québécois, since I do believe they've defended the interests of Québec quite well in the past. Is it still as useful as it used to be? No, but it still serves a certain purpose and I still believe in it. Personally, the NDP holds no appeal to me. Socialism is all well and noble, but often unrealistic. One thing is sure the NDP loves tax hikes. The Liberals have had their time. That is all. I disagree with a lot of things about the Conservatives, especially issues on gun control, gay marriage and abortion. However, they are good economists and could give Canada a much needed boost to the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 If you're talking about Jack Layton...he has the sweetest mustache. Anyway, like I said we needed a change. A human weasel is fine....rather than a prime minister who doesn't even follow his on "rules". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Looks like my prediction was correct....... HEIL HARPER! I can't believe he's our new Prime Minister. He's so far right wing it's not even funny. He's our version of Bush..... Welcome to the American state of Canada:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 If I could, I would've voted Liberal. They're big on human rights, and our economy went up because of them (I think, I might just be thinking about Campbell's B.C. Liberals). I'm not very happy with the Conservatives, but I guess we'll have to put up with them until next election, when I'll be able to vote (assuming another election doesn't happen between now and then). And I was disappointed when I found out my town turned out to be Conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Looks like my prediction was correct....... HEIL HARPER! I can't believe he's our new Prime Minister. He's so far right wing it's not even funny. He's our version of Bush..... Welcome to the American state of Canada:D Whoa, calm down there. I know Harper is right wing, but it's quite a hasty reaction and comparison. He may be a far right Canadian politician, but he's far from being like the American ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Funny, Harper probably wouldn't have won this election if it wasn't for us Albertans. All 28 seats in Alberta were from the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 And that is supposed to amaze anyone how? Alberta has been a tory stronghold for quite a while now. Hell, in the east(by east I mean Montreal ) we see Alberta as somesort of Canadian version of the Bible belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 And that is supposed to amaze anyone how? Alberta has been a tory stronghold for quite a while now. Hell, in the east(by east I mean Montreal ) we see Alberta as somesort of Canadian version of the Bible belt. Meh......why? Since we are the richest province in Canada. No opinion - Don't wanna get involved. Then, don't spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Meh......why? Since we are the richest province in Canada. Doesn't have anything to do with money but rather with an impression of the province being much more right wing then the rest of the country. You know, religious fundamentalism, anti-gay, etc. Well, there's plenty of christian fundamentalists in other parts, but we get the impression that most of them find refuge in Alberta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Note that Canadian Liberal does not mean US Liberal. The Liberal Party of Canada is actually closer to the real sense of the term "economically liberal" then the US one which these days just mean pro-gay and pro-abortion. I voted for the Bloc Québécois, since I do believe they've defended the interests of Québec quite well in the past. Is it still as useful as it used to be? No, but it still serves a certain purpose and I still believe in it. Personally, the NDP holds no appeal to me. Socialism is all well and noble, but often unrealistic. One thing is sure the NDP loves tax hikes. The Liberals have had their time. That is all. I disagree with a lot of things about the Conservatives, especially issues on gun control, gay marriage and abortion. However, they are good economists and could give Canada a much needed boost to the economy. I voted Bloc too. I don't think separation is ever gonna happen anyways but I think they can defend the interests of Quebec and bring some balance with a conservative government. I just coudn't vote liberal after what they have done and I don't agree with the Conservatives on many issues and they're are little to right winrg for me (I don't think we need a "mini George Bush" as Prime Minister). The goals of the NPD are quite unrealistic...more than 50% of my paycheck already goes to the government and that's more than enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Well, there's plenty of christian fundamentalists in other parts, but we get the impression that most of them find refuge in Alberta. True. There's about 8 of them along the block. Though, I have a question for those who choose the Bloc Quebecois...why did you choose them? Besides the fact that you live in Quebec. Is it because you dislike being part of the wonderful country of Canada? Or am I just being biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Partly biased. It is true that it is mainly a separatist party (which is an issue I am personally undecided) but it also exists to defend the principes of Québec on the federal scene. You'd be amazed how the way we think and the way you think are wildly different. This is mainly why I voted for them. They represent better my personnal beliefs then the other major parties. I think the separatist movement is still largely viewed as some kind of anti-Canada movement. Yes and no. I'm not the best to explain this, but one thing is certain, the anti-Canada hate dissapeared long ago. Now, it basically is claiming the territory of Québec as a country for its inhabitant. A lot of people feel resentment towards Canada and it's sometimes understandable. However, they're a minority. Why? Like I said, our ways are so wildly different, our customs and everything is so different that we might as well have our own place. Is it possible? At 50% + 1, close to impossible. We'd need quite a majority so the newborn country would at least have some stability after the declaration of independance. Even worse, if the next referendum fails, it's pretty much over. I don't think the movement will survive three defeats. It's quite a complicated issue and what I wrote doesn't even go over half of the issues but that would take too long for me to type down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Not Canadian. The interesting thing about this election for me, 'though, is that Paul Martin's government (?) was brought down by a vote of no confidence. Considering that it is generally highly unlikely such a thing could happen in the Westminster system (you would have to have your own party vote against you and itself...Something not seen in the original since...erm...) I'm also gonna nitpick. "Tory" and "Conservative" are different terms with different meanings and implications. "Conservative" - one who wishes to conserve. This is a very vague term, however, and can mean different things in different countries and contexts. "Tory" - from toraidh, meaning an Irish guerilla. Originally, those against the Exclusion Bill over James the VII and II, 1678-1681. The Whigs (from whiggamore - Scots word for a cattle driver, an insult), supported the bill. Traditionally the Tories had ties to Jacobitism, and there was some support of the Glorious Revolution of 1688. In the late 19th and early 20th Century, "Tory", and "Toryism" took on a new meaning, implying a supporter of Benjamin Disraeli's "One Nation Toryism", or "Tory Democracy", based on support of the monarchy, of a paternalistic aristocracy, an aggressive foreign policy and of the Church of England. Now, it has come, in an odd way, to mean a supporter of Thatcherism. Conversely, Thatcher *hated* Disraeli, and was known to call One Nation Tories "Conservative wets". I just wanted to clear that up, and sorry if this seems to be thread-necromancy edith: Are the BQ the same as the PQ? Cuz if so, any party that calls itself lavatory paper is worth supporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Yes, the Partie Quebecois is the same as the Bloc Quebecois (for those of you who do not know French, Quebecois is pronounced Kay-bec-woa). But no, they are not worth supporting, in my opinion. But then, I'm from Ontario, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Really? I thought you were from *squints* 76 Totter's Lane! Seriously what is wrong with Conservatism for you? And you do know that accusing someone of being a Nazi on a forum is tantamount to libel/slander (I don't know which - at this point it becomes confusing. Let's call it sliber. or landel.),right? edith: Never mind. I quite see why some people are uncomfortable about this new government. They don't sound very conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I was joking around. I'm just commenting on the fact that Harper is far to right wing for my tastes. He is far from being a Nazi, I know that. Nothing is wrong with Conservatism, the party is just.... getting to right wing, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthaholic Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I voted Bloc, for reasons similar to those already stated here but also because I'm a devoted separatist. It's nothing personal, I got nothing against the rest of Canada. And it really isn't a french vs english issue for me, unfortunately it is what a lot of people make it out to be. But damn, has anyone else here watch "Breaking Point" or "Point de rupture"? I felt so angry and sad after watching that. =[ Anyway, I'm not going to elaborate on the subject more than that as it tends to get messy and not to mention that I don't argue very well in english. Anyways, I'm not completely unhappy with the outcome of the election, I couldn't stand the liberals for a minute longer. Yes, we got a conservative party in power now and I can't say that I really like 'em or anything they stand for, but at least they're a minority government meaning they can't just do anything they want. They're sorta like on a leash. So we'll see how it goes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Nothing is wrong with Conservatism, the party is just.... getting to right wing, in my opinion. I can quite see why, looking at their policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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