The new age of Darth Nihilus, Alive Again

[Sabretooth]

^^

 

Well, I still think that his unrevealed mysterious background and equally strange demise could be fully intended for a major revelation in the next game. Not really resurrection so much as reincarnation in a way.

 

But yeah, he goes down all too easily in TSL... really a shame...

 

In all possibility yes, considering the way Obsidian showed him all over the publicity shots and his actual screentime was so less.

 

But I think revealing his identity and such would be a cliché, and it would be best to leave the character a dark and mysterious one, whom nobody ever knew of, save Darth Traya, and maybe Visas.

[Cygnus Q'ol]

It would probably be best to let him stay dead and move on to a new, more interesting threat.

[ViperSkeele]

Well, I'm thinking he is as bad as he was supposed to be, and that he did in fact go down too easy, because he was caught offguard by the Exiles power with the force. Remember when Kreia said "He cannot kill what he cannot see" and Visas later said: "he cannot see you, what you are,..." and even the Jedi Masters felt no force presence from Exile.

I think Nihilus thinks it's gonne be a quick easy extermination, but then the Force "echo" in the Exile quickly overwhelms Nihilus at which point Nihilus steps back and pulls a tricky force stunt as he took a direct saber hit (remember "he is no longer a man") And then he vanished into the red mist that looked something like the force energy in the temple on Dxun. I think he made his escape knowing he faced a much greater threat in the Exile than he had ever imagined or seen before. He cut and ran in a dark force sithlike fashion, as the realization that he is now the hunted begins to sink in....perhaps even a little....FEAR

[SilentScope001]

An idea: Nihilus was so consumed by hunger for the Force that he wasn't human...

 

He was The Force.

 

So, when you see those beams that destroy his suit...those were the beams of the Force, dissapating. Nihlius is not a Force Ghost, he has BECOME the Force, or at least the Dark Side of the Force...and represents the hunger of power, and hate of the Jedi Order.

 

I doubt the developers would accept it, but I like to use that interepation to determine why he "died".

 

My idea? Brush up on why Darth Nihlius fell to the Dark Side. Flesh out his storyline. But he's dead, dead, and dead. By learning how Nihlius fell, as maybe the teachings of the True Sith he followed, it would show the full horrors of the True Sith and how evil we were...as well as making Darth Nihlius look less like a clown with a mask...and more of a real supervillian.

[Diego Varen]

Remember when Kreia said "He cannot kill what he cannot see"

 

That was about Sion, near the beginning of TSL on the Harbinger.

[Darth_Nihl]

They created a great look, a great sound, and tried to give the appearance of his being a badass, but his role was a couple of flashing cutscenes, and he fought like a little girl.

He did fight like a little girl...killed him in one hit. Don't worry I didn't cheat.

 

I guess I just wanted to fight a REAL darklord, not Shirley Temple in a Vader suit.

Isn't Shirley Temple a type of drink?

 

Anyways back on topic. I would love to see Darth Nihilus in the next game. He was cool in the second just didn't have character like you said.

[chillpill_2u]

I for one, wouldn't mind seeing Nihilus again. But this time with a more interesting back story which of course there was little off. But, in reality I would prefer to see new characters in Kotor III.

[Angelos Kumani]

I think that a very real possibility for the origins of Nihilus already lies in the game...if you have replayed the game several times and listened to all the conversations w/Kreia, Visas and others there are some quite interesting tidbits to pick up on. A favorite speculation of mine is that Nihilus represents the Yang to the Exile's Ying. Both in their current state were created by the crucible that was Mlachor V, does anyone else see this as too much of a coincidence...After several replays I started to assume that Nihilus was the much darker version of what the Exile could have become. Then I started to take it a little further, not only was Nihilus the Exile's mirror, but he was the physical manifestation of the "hole/echo" that the destruction of Malachor V had created within the Exile. So when you finally face-off against Nihilus above Telos, and the Exile emerges victorious that echo is not absorbed by the force, but by the Exile himself. This may be the plot twist to be revealed in the next KOTOR, and prove very important indeed. I think that the storylines of BOTH KOTOR and TSL are designed to show the strength of the force in balance, rather than the strength of the light or dark manifestations of the force. A canonical light-sided Exile that has been reunited with the "dark sided echo" that was Nihilus, may just prove to be the perfect example of that balance...don't ask me how this would apply if you are insistent that the Exile is dark sided...

[Jediphile]

^^

 

This is very similar to my own theory, except that I see it the other way around - Malachor V didn't create the wound in the Exile, no, the Exile created the wound and shed himself of his dark self. Nihilus is the manifestation of that dark self.

 

I mean, consider some of the comments made during the game.

 

Kreia: "He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand.{Quietly}Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts.{Chiding}Power? Do you think so?{Shakes head}You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls.Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite.Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did.As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely.Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended.It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time.He is a breach in the Force, capable of consuming the lives of those around him. Sometimes the touch is slow, as it is with his crew.It is not something he can direct or focus, much like hunger itself. He is more of a hole in the Force than a living thing. Force Sensitives and worlds rich in the Force draw him. The Miraluka world was one such place. That is why where the Jedi gather, Jedi will die. He will feel it, unless they mask their presence - but Katarr called out as a beacon to him, and he could not resist it.And he cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings... or the Jedi.And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."

 

Now, note the text in bold and consider it for the Exile. Isn't it EXACTLY what the Exile does too without knowing it, or at least too uncomfortably similar to be a mere coincidence?

 

If you're not convinced, consider what the masters say, when the pass sentence on the Exile on Dantooine:

 

"There was a gathering of Jedi on the planet - when we realized that something was attacking us, we resolved to meet secretly to attempt to find this threat.Then... Katarr was no more."

 

"When we felt Katarr die, there is something we felt, something we'd felt once before. An echo in the Force.We'd felt it before when you stood before us. Whatever this threat, whatever this hunger is, it is something tied to you, something you have experienced directly. This echo travels in the places where death has walked, where planets have died. Massacres fuel its power, the death of life fuels it."

 

"No, we do not believe so... but it is tied to you somehow. I felt it on Dxun. And it was in the ground at Dantooine. It echoed in the ruins on Korriban.And the wastelands of Telos. We have been trying... for years, without success. Whatever disturbance in the Force that would cause death on such a scale also clouds it from our sight. It is like a scream in the Force, and finding its source is difficult. It has cast many echoes.So we sought out places touched by the Force, by such events. We went to Dantooine... to Telos... to Dxun. {Quietly, guilty}And some of us just left. We thought the enemy might show themselves. They were Sith, that much was certain. But where they were striking from, we did not know.We cast you out of the Order because you followed Revan to war. There was no other reason.No, there was another... you had become different somehow, changed. The war had changed you.You were no longer a Jedi. But we could not tell you why - some explanations mean nothing unless the one who suffers comes to the answer on their own.What had happened to you was punishment enough... and the Jedi do not kill their prisoners. {Quietly, ashamed.}And if you had stayed, you would have changed us. And that we could not allow. The Sith are a threat, it is true. But the threat they present... it is tied to you in some way. The echo we have felt on the worlds we have walked - we have encountered it only once before, when you stood before us at your trial.We believe that somehow, you are creating this - or that the Sith have learned this technique from you.No. We will do as we have done - we will wait. There is nothing else we can do."

 

Now, two things are undeniable, if the masters are correct.

 

1. Nihilus is somehow tied the the Exile. They felt him when Katarr was destroyed, and that feeling they had only ever experienced at the Exile's trial before. The masters do not know that it was Nihilus that destroyed Katarr, because he and Sion strike from the shadows, but the connection is still clear.

 

2. Somehow the Exile seems to have taught this skill to Nihilus.

 

How can that be? Well, consider what Kreia said above:

 

"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand"

 

The deciding moment here is when the Exile activated the Mass Shadow Generator. That is where the entire wound comes from - where the Exile was cut off from the force by his own choice.

 

Why is that significant? Let's consider what Kreia says to the comatose LS Exile after killing the masters...

 

Kriea: "There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface, drowns them in the power of the dark side - it corrupts all life. And it feeds on death. Revan knew the power of such places... and the power in making them. They can be used to break the will of others... of Jedi, promising them power, and turning them to the dark side.Did you never wonder how Revan corrupted so many of the Jedi, so much of the Republic, so quickly?The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion.Culminating a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from... save one.And that is what I sought to understand. How one could turn away from such power, give up the Force... and still live. But I see what happened now. It is because you had no choice.It is because you were afraid."

 

The significant event here is that the Exile's fate was unique. All other jedi either died or fell to the dark side. The Exile was the only exception.

 

Zez-Kai Ell: "Not once did I hear one of the Council claim responsibility for Revan, for Exar Kun, for Ulic, for Malak... or for you. Yet... you were the only one who came back from the wars to face our judgment. And rather than attempting to understand why you did what you did, we punished you instead."

 

HK-47: "Observation: Master, that was the lesson of Malachor. Any Jedi involved in the systematic slaughter on such a scale cannot help but doubt and question themselves.Observation: Master, I do not believe that the Mandalorians were the true target at Malachor - I believe that the intention was to destroy the Jedi, break their will, and make them loyal to Revan.I do not know if you examined the records of the deaths on Malachor, but you cannot escape that many of the Jedi and Republic soldiers who died were not Revan's strongest supporters. Observation: I believe that Revan was "cleaning house" at Malachor V. What ones did not die became Revan's allies against the Republic."

 

This establishes the Exile's unique nature - it happened to the Exile alone, while no other jedi was able to do the same. All other jedi either died or fell to the dark side.

 

Since the Exile did not die, he too should have falled to the dark side. So why didn't he? Or did he? If he had, it is doubtful he would have returned to face the judgment of the jedi council.

 

Note what Traya says at the end:

 

"But no Jedi ever made the choice you did. To sever ties so completely, so utterly, that it leaves a wound in the Force."

 

The Exile escaped the fate of falling to the dark side by cutting himself off from the force, as he would an arm infected by some incurable and fatal ailment (gangrene or similar). However, since that amputation is not physical, the scar is different. Instead of cutting off a limb, it means the Exile is cutting off the part of his psyche that is "infected" by the dark side of the force. Nihilus is that part. That is why he is "nihilus" ("nihil" is latin for "nothing"). He is the dark side that the Exile cut off from himself at Malachor V, and which has manifested itself in a physical form and survives by absorbing the lifeforce (= the Force) from others, since he has none himself.

 

The Exile is, of course, completely oblivious to all this. Note how the Exile isn't even aware that he cut himself off from the force. The Exile is in denial about the entire affair throughout the game and generally avoids talking about the past at every time - Bao-Dur is never mentioned until he turns up, and Kreia has to be the one to tell Atton that the Exile knows Dxun quite well and fought there during the Mandalorian Wars, since the Exile won't say it himself.

 

Nihilus is like the manifestation of a mental disorder that the Exile has, a "force neurosis", for lack of a better term.

 

What exactly happens at the end of the game is unclear, though. Note how the plot is all about removing the force bond between Kreia and the Exile, since it is harmful to them both, yet in the end the Exile can kill Kreia without trouble. What has happened between their last meeting and then? The confrontation with Nihilus has. And what happened there? We're not quite sure. Note how the Exile asks Visas about Nihilus and even tells her to get his mask, but never looks at Nihilus' face himself. Why? Clearly Nihilus was someone on Malachor V. What if it was a fallen jedi? He could well have been someone the Exile knew, but he doesn't even bother to look? Very odd... Unless, of course, the Exile is already aware of what he will see on a subconscious level and flees from it.

 

Note the description of the Nihilus mask:

 

"You have taken this trophy from the remains of Darth Nihilus - it is the last surviving piece of the beast who died and was reborn in the shattered world of Malachor V. By taking it from him, you have gained a stronger tie to the Force."

 

Why would taking the Nihilus mask give the Exile a stronger connection to the force? And why did Nihilus simply vaporize in a red haze instead of just lying there dead?

 

In the cut content of TSL, Lonna Vash has a very interesting comment to make on the Exile's "condition":

 

Vash: "Look within for the answer. We are each solely accountable for everything in our lives. Nothing ever happens to us unless we allow it."

 

Very interesting in this context, isn't it?

 

Or consider what Visas says, when she takes the Nihilus mask and therefore looks on him, and the Exile then asks her what she saw.

 

Visas: "A man, nothing more. Malachor V. I saw a graveyard world, surrounded by a fleet of dead ships. I felt it through him... as I feel it through you".

 

Maybe the Exile somehow "reconnected" with his "lost self" upon defeating Nihilus. We don't know, but it is a possiblility, and note how all talk of the force wound comes before the confrontation with Nihilus, but is conveniently ignored after, just as the problem of the bond between the Exile and Kreia is never mentioned again. I think this could be a set-up for a plot in KotOR3 that was intended all along. At present, it is completely speculative and conjecture, of course, but interesting nonetheless.

[Canderous_ordo1]

if you read or have a look at kotor 6 through 9 it does mention a bit about it

[PoiuyWired]

what kotor 6-9???

 

Well, technically there is a "prequel" to the kotor series by the form of comics, but never heard of kotor 6-9, and don't think there will ever be any.

[Angelos Kumani]

@ Jediphile

 

Great job going into all the detail...that is exactly what I had in mind, just didn't want to spend the time digging up all the relevant quotes, etc...

 

I too think that there is way too much coincidence involved with the connections between the Exile and Nihilus...kinda makes you go hmmmmm!?!

 

I think that if we get any reappearance by "Nihilus" in K3 that it would be under these circumstances - where we learn about the deeper connection b/w the Exile and Nihilus. If it was in this context, I think that it would not only be appropriate but very cool!

[Jediphile]

^^

 

Thanks. My own speculation is that if this theory is correct, then we just might see Nihilus again in KotOR3.

 

Imagine the surprise and horror of fighting evil, evil Nihilus only to find out it's the Exile

[The Architect]

Jediphile. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I was going to try and explain why I think that Darth Nihilus is a dark-manifestation of the Exile, but why bother, when you've explained it so coherently and awesomely? Well done.

 

This will also come in handy for me. What am I talking about exactly? Well, I think you could guess what I'm talking about, but I won't say anymore, with good reason.

[The Architect]

Sorry about the double post, but this is not an edit of my last post on this thread. Jediphile, over at the Obsidian forums, there's a topic about Nihilus, and I posted a link to your massive post explaining why you think that Nihilus is a dark manifestation of the Exile (like I do).

 

Now, this is what Purgatorio had to say about it:

 

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=44875&view=findpost&p=713463

 

What do you make of it? The reason why I'm asking, is because I thought you'd be interested to hear what other people who disagree with the theory have to say. Well, those who have something constructive to say.

 

Another reason why I'm asking you is because you do a better job of explaining things than what I do. I'm not asking you to reply for me, I just thought you would be interested to hear this.

[Jediphile]

I don't see that Purgatorio says anything that really disproves the theory in any way. Although it's true that Kreia says Nihilus' teachings are dangerous, it stand in stark contrast to her claim that his ability cannot be taught.

 

"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves...it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."

 

Indeed, while Kreia infers a dangerous teaching, I've seen nothing in the game that really does suggest that the assassins have the ability to drain or absorb or siphon Force from others as both the Exile and Nihilus do. Sure, the assassins can force camouflage, but then so what? Lots of force users can do that, and it's about the only force ability the assassins ever use anyway.

 

I also don't see what Revan's use of Malachor V as a conversion tool has to do with the assassins at all. All those jedi on Malachor V either died or fell to the dark side to become Revan's loyal sith forces. Those were the options and no other. Everybody had to choose between the two. Except the Exile, who was unique in achieving a third option. But that option was open to no one else, which Kreia confirms to the comatose LS Exile after killing the masters.

 

"The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion.Culminating a final atrocity that no Jedi could walk away from... save one."

 

No, Nihilus didn't give up the force, but he is obviously dark side. So his choice would have been the same that Revan's followers made. That being the case, why can he do, what he does? None of Revan's loyal sith had that ability in KotOR1, after all. And note that that is what became of those surviving fallen jedi from Malachor V - they became Revan's followers and fought for his cause during the Jedi Civil War. We don't learn that they stayed on Malachor V to be taught at the Trayus Academy by Kreia, Nihilus and Sion. Granted, some of them might have, but strictly speaking they did not, if we are to take HK-47 at his word.

 

"Observation: I believe that Revan was "cleaning house" at Malachor V. What ones did not die became Revan's allies against the Republic."

 

Besides, if those assassins had been there all along, that would mean they have been at the Trayus Academy for a decade. Just what did they do there? It seems far more likely to me that they were remnants of Revan's forces during the Jedi Civil War or young hopefuls all coming to learn from the new sith masters at the academy.

[The Architect]

I don't see that Purgatorio says anything that really disproves the theory in any way. Although it's true that Kreia says Nihilus' teachings are dangerous, it stand in stark contrast to her claim that his ability cannot be taught.

 

You can blame me for that. I missed this part:

 

I am not as versed in starwars law as many Forumites are. I have read something about Sidious transferring his conscious into another body, and there are force spirits, so it is a possibility.

 

No, Purg doesn't disprove the theory (stupid me)! He's just speculating that it's possible this special training would suggest that there is an other possibility that is not connected to a splitting of souls.

 

Sorry about that. I realised this last night when I was off the computer and thought to my self "You jackass" when I knew what I said wrong. Oh well. So, just thought I'd log on to clear that bit up.

[Jediphile]

There's no need for there to be any splitting of souls, no. In the end, we really don't know much about where Nihilus got his powers from, so anything we theorize cannot be anything but speculation. But there does seem to be a connection between the Exile and Nihilus that is not explained in the game, and it's interesting that the masters, knowing nothing of Nihilus, immediately reach the conclusion that the Exile is responsible for it - apparently the sensation of Katarr's destruction was similar enough what they felt in the Exile at his trial that they though he had something to do with it. That sort of certainty is rare in Star Wars, when it comes to the force.

 

But no, it's not conclusive. It cannot be conclusive. It's like the theory that Kreia may be Arren Kae - no proof, just a theory that fits both the facts and the speculation.

[Emperor Devon]

There's no need for there to be any splitting of souls, no.

 

That's right, because the closest the EU has come to that is transfering spirits.

 

It's actually sort of related to Nihilus. If you've read the Legacy comics, Darth Krayt activates Nihilus' holocron and asks him how he transfered his consciousness into his armor. This might actually be closer to fact than it appears, as the description of Nihilus' mask says he died and was reborn on Malachor V. I think it contains more truth than people initially thought, as the likely destruction of Nihilus' body and the transference of his spirit from it to his armor sounds like a form of death and rebirth.

 

In the end, we really don't know much about where Nihilus got his powers from, so anything we theorize cannot be anything but speculation.

 

There are a few scarce facts, though. We know Nihilus didn't acquire his powers before the battle at Malachor V, or he would've been consuming planets then. A few scarce hints in the game say that he turned into whatever he was due to the teachings at the Trayus Academy. That's not too surprising, though, as the chronicles say its purpose was to train others in the ways of the Sith. Some cut dialogue of Kreia's also says that Nihilus is the most powerful whatever he is since the ancient Sith, which is around the time period the Trayus Academy was established. It's possible they left some knowledge of that technique there, since there's nowhere else it could've been learned.

[Jediphile]

That's right, because the closest the EU has come to that is transfering spirits.

 

That doesn't preclude an alternate idea, though. Personally I prefer to think Nihilus' background is a little more original than a carbon copy of Palpatine's soul transfers.

 

It's actually sort of related to Nihilus. If you've read the Legacy comics, Darth Krayt activates Nihilus' holocron and asks him how he transfered his consciousness into his armor. This might actually be closer to fact than it appears, as the description of Nihilus' mask says he died and was reborn on Malachor V. I think it contains more truth than people initially thought, as the likely destruction of Nihilus' body and the transference of his spirit from it to his armor sounds like a form of death and rebirth.

 

The jury is still out on that one. That he transferred his consciousness to his armor can be interpreted in whatever way you want.

 

There are a few scarce facts, though. We know Nihilus didn't acquire his powers before the battle at Malachor V, or he would've been consuming planets then. A few scarce hints in the game say that he turned into whatever he was due to the teachings at the Trayus Academy.

 

I don't understand that. Nihilus' ability is unique, as far as I can tell, except when compared to the Exile. He "learned" from Kreia at the Trayus Academy, but she clearly doesn't have this power. Indeed, we might even speculate that she was fascinated by Nihilus' ability to wound the force, and that she then transferred that fascination to the Exile when Nihilus and Sion cast her out. Whatever Nihilus learned from her, consuming planets and draining the Force were not it.

 

That's not too surprising, though, as the chronicles say its purpose was to train others in the ways of the Sith. Some cut dialogue of Kreia's also says that Nihilus is the most powerful whatever he is since the ancient Sith, which is around the time period the Trayus Academy was established. It's possible they left some knowledge of that technique there, since there's nowhere else it could've been learned.

 

But the technique cannot be taught. If it could and there was information about it at the Trayus Academy, then surely Kreia would have learned it herself a long time ago and wouldn't have needed the Exile at all in the first place.

[Emperor Devon]

Indeed, we might even speculate that she was fascinated by Nihilus' ability to wound the force, and that she then transferred that fascination to the Exile when Nihilus and Sion cast her out. Whatever Nihilus learned from her, consuming planets and draining the Force were not it.

 

I don't know of fascination would be the proper term - all Nihilus can do is destroy life, which goes completely against Kreia's manipulative nature.

 

But the technique cannot be taught. If it could and there was information about it at the Trayus Academy, then surely Kreia would have learned it herself a long time ago and wouldn't have needed the Exile at all in the first place.

 

That doesn't mean examples and records can't be kept. Those are useful for nearly every matters. Though yes, the inability to teach it does make Nihilus' background even sketchier.

 

Kreia doesn't seem like the kind of person who'd bother learning it. Nihilus' powers rely on the Force, and in the end, will wipe out all life. Nothing about wiping out the Force is mentioned at all. As we know, Kreia wants to destroy the later, but not the former.

[deathdisco]

I don't understand that. Nihilus' ability is unique, as far as I can tell, except when compared to the Exile. He "learned" from Kreia at the Trayus Academy, but she clearly doesn't have this power.

 

Actually she has that power, just not Nihilus' hunger to consume.

She used it on the Jedi masters in the rebuilt enclave. Also DS Exile does the same to the masters when he kills them individually.

Just wanted to point that out.

[Shuma]

"However, didn't his armour blow up with the rest of his ship in K2?"

 

Not his mask... also Nihilus had an "unusual" way to "die" like Obi Wan and Yoda, they bot dissapear, also yes i know, Dark Side Clouds and Red lighting around the body, but think about it, Nihilus was Dark Sided to the extreme, while Obi Wan/Yoda were Light sided.

[Jediphile]

Actually she has that power, just not Nihilus' hunger to consume.

She used it on the Jedi masters in the rebuilt enclave. Also DS Exile does the same to the masters when he kills them individually.

Just wanted to point that out.

 

Well, it seems to me that Kreia simply used the Drain Life force power, which is not to be confused with the ability to siphon/absorb The Force that both the Exile and Nihilus seem to possess. Besides, the question remains of what Kreia would have needed the Exile for anyway, if she had that power.

 

"There is no truth in the Force. But there is truth in you, exile. And that is why I chose you.Yes, always. From the moment you awoke, I have used you. I have used you so that you might become strong, stronger than I."

 

"It is said that the Force has a will, it has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. Because I hate the Force. I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance, when countless lives are lost.But in you... I see the potential to see the Force die, to turn away from its will. And that is what pleases me.You are beautiful to me, exile. A dead spot in the Force, an emptiness in which its will might be denied. I use it as I would use a poison, and in the hopes of understanding it, I will learn the way to kill it.But perhaps these are the excuses of an old woman who has grown to rely on a thing she despises."

[deathdisco]

Well, it seems to me that Kreia simply used the Drain Life force power, which is not to be confused with the ability to siphon/absorb The Force that both the Exile and Nihilus seem to possess. Besides, the question remains of what Kreia would have needed the Exile for anyway, if she had that power.

 

Yes it was the Drain Life "animation FX". It's the same one Nihilus' uses when he tries to suck the force off the Exile. But unlike the Exile, Kreia would be vulnerable to this power so she needed the Exile to defeat Nihilus.

 

There are techniques within the force against which there is no defense.

 

 

If you click on the masters' bodies after Kreia kills them you get this dialog.

"[This master is dead... drained of his life. His body is worse than lifeless, it's like an absence in the Force.]"

 

 

Kreia knows this power, she just does not have any defense for it. Unlike the Exile who is immune.