Arreat Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4875486/detail.html OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- Police took a 16-year-old girl into custody Friday night in the slaying of her mother, KMBC reported. Officers were called to the 5600 block of West 125th Street at about 5:30 p.m. KMBC's Krista Klaus reported that the husband of Sue Zhang, 55, found her body. She had been stabbed to death. "I'm shocked. She's such a nice little girl, her parents are nice. I don't know what happened," neighbor Barbara Jacobs said. Thread about her on a forum she visited Her MySpace Her Xanga archives A pic of her: Pretty old I know, but still worth a read. Very tragic and shocking stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hill987 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 The MySpace has been deleted now. I really don't know what to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I think this is more of a Senate thread, but I don't know. This is tragic - no other word for it. A really pretty, apparently really nice young girl with the whole life ahead of her doing something like this to an innocent woman:(? Holy ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narfblat Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Whoa, this is some crazy stuff. I hope nobody here is ever that messed up. Edit: by the way, did you fix the news story link? It hadn't worked the first time I tried it.(I was even going to post a fixed link) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Whoa, this is some crazy stuff. I hope nobody here is ever that messed up.Me too. And I hope no one gets murdered, for that matter:(. I actually feel really sorry for this girl. When I was hospitalized three years ago I met a teen boy, less than 18 years old, who had tried to hang this guy from a fire ladder because he owed him money. Thing is, I got to know him and he was just a normal, regular kid. You'd never know he'd tried to kill someone. That being said, do I want people who attempt to or commit murder behind bars rather than back on the street? You're damned right I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight of Keno Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Oh hurrah! Another goddamn emo case... It's a tragedy, yes, but it's so pathetic how kids nowadays all seem to be emo or something. Please, make it stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I can't help laughing at the fact that she posted about it in her LiveJournal/Xanga/MySpace blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I can't help laughing at the fact that she posted about it in her LiveJournal/Xanga/MySpace blog.And I find it tragic she considers it something to put on her blog. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 I left this thread in the swamp against my better judgement because I thought perhaps you lot were mature enough to discuss something as serious as this. I was quite clearly mistaken. I seem to have forgotten that after I sent this to the Senate I wouldn't be able to edit the rest of the posts, so I guess it's on Skinwalker now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Thanks, ET. Anyways, this guy I met at the psychiatric hospital had that same attitude as I gather the girl had (I didn't find anything written by her after she killed her mom): No regret. Come to think of it, neither did the guy who killed a friend of a forummer here. We asked him if he didn't think it was wrong to kill someone. He said, "but I'd have gotten my money then!" This tech told him he'd have gone to jail for life, and again he said, incredously, "but I'd have gotten my money then!". You have to have a pretty disturbed mind to think that way. I can understand it if you killed a rapist or murderer or something, but a person who owed you money? No, I just don't get it. But then again, I hope my mind stays sane so I never get it. But again.. God, look at that picture of her (which should probably be taken down, even though none of us know her and she put it up herself). Just a regular, cute 16-year old. I keep finding myself looking into her eyes. If only all murderers and murderers-to-be looked evil or wore Scream suits or something so we could recognize them on sight. The world would be so much safer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Torque Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 I left this thread in the swamp against my better judgement because I thought perhaps you lot were mature enough to discuss something as serious as this. I was quite clearly mistaken. I seem to have forgotten that after I sent this to the Senate I wouldn't be able to edit the rest of the posts, so I guess it's on Skinwalker now. Get over yourself ET. You seem like you are a cool guy and all and I respect you, but this post is just rediculous. This isn't a serious discussion. The girl, who we don't know, killed her mom, end of story. This doesn't require mature dialogue, just the accpetance (hopefully) that this girl is messed up and needs to serve time. Hope I didn't take the intention of your post wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Ginn Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Get over yourself ET. You seem like you are a cool guy and all and I respect you, but this post is just rediculous. This isn't a serious discussion. The girl, who we don't know, killed her mom, end of story. This doesn't require mature dialogue, just the accpetance (hopefully) that this girl is messed up and needs to serve time. Hope I didn't take the intention of your post wrong. They're taking the opportunity to rip on emos and say nothing but awful things about her.(granted she should be punished to the fullest extent, but I feel sorry for her because she seems to have some serious issues) What is mature about spouting hate for a certain group of people? What is mature about this Quote? Well I killed my mom today, oh noes I gots blood on my Fagout boy t-shirt! Something awful happens and instead of saying how awful that is, they take the opportunity to poke fun. There is nothing to laugh about. Nothing. A mother was killed by her daughter, what makes you think that it doesn't require serious dialog? I know only a handful of emo kids, and not one of them would ever hurt a fly and are nothing of what these twats think they are. So many people on this forum just make fun of people and talk about about certain groups like they really know them. I admit, I was that way too. But you grow and learn and they seriously need to grow up.[/rant] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Get over yourself ET. Yes, this is all about myself. It has nothing to do with the fact that this is a topic dealing with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD girl who was SO mentally deranged that she was able to kill her own MOTHER and still post about it in an internet blog like nothing. Never mind the fact that it deals with a woman whose life was brutally ended by her own child, but we're talking about a KID whose life was so messed up and her perception of reality was so skewed she could actually do something like that. This is a tragedy on any front. Nobody here knows what it's like to actually have that kind of mental disorder, and it was treated like it was some kind of joke. It's nothing about this girl being "emo". I was SHOCKED at the responses I read in this thread. edit- and there are probably a few responses you didn't even get to read, they were so awful I deleted them before I even moved the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Yes, this is all about myself. It has nothing to do with the fact that this is a topic dealing with a SIXTEEN YEAR OLD girl who was SO mentally deranged that she was able to kill her own MOTHER and still post about it in an internet blog like nothing. Never mind the fact that it deals with a woman whose life was brutally ended by her own child, but we're talking about a KID whose life was so messed up and her perception of reality was so skewed she could actually do something like that. This is a tragedy on any front. Nobody here knows what it's like to actually have that kind of mental disorder, and it was treated like it was some kind of joke. It's nothing about this girl being "emo". I was SHOCKED at the responses I read in this thread. edit- and there are probably a few responses you didn't even get to read, they were so awful I deleted them before I even moved the thread. Sooo...what sort of response were you looking for? Of course people made off colored comments. This sort of thing happens everyday, but usually people aren't stupid enough to try and make themselves look cool on myspace or other such sites by bragging about it afterwords. I'd say the responses the topic garnered were fitting, and certainly showed no sign of immaturity. Full of levity? Sure. Worthy of being chastised? Nah. But I guess that's why you're a moderator and I'm not. They're taking the opportunity to rip on emos and say nothing but awful things about her.(granted she should be punished to the fullest extent, but I feel sorry for her because she seems to have some serious issues) What is mature about spouting hate for a certain group of people? What is mature about this Quote? Well what sort of comments should people be making? Congratulatory ones? Sympathetic ones? **** her, and anyone that feels sorry for her. I hope she has that knife crammed in her ass right before she burns. PS. Piss on "emos". Oh no! People are saying bad things about a cold blooded murderer. What to do? Something awful happens and instead of saying how awful that is, they take the opportunity to poke fun. There is nothing to laugh about. Nothing. A mother was killed by her daughter, what makes you think that it doesn't require serious dialog? Well wouldn't saying how aweful it is be a bit redundant? Obviously unless you're as ****ed in the head as this kid is, you'd find this aweful. However, if you can't see the humor in someone being dumb enough to promote something as perverse as this on a website, then...well I just don't know. I think it's defiantely ****ed up, yeah, but I see nothing wrong with finding humor in the folly of it. I know only a handful of emo kids, and not one of them would ever hurt a fly and are nothing of what these twats think they are. So many people on this forum just make fun of people and talk about about certain groups like they really know them. I admit, I was that way too. But you grow and learn and they seriously need to grow up.[/rant] How do you go from one breath taking the high ground on maturity, to calling people twats with the next? And what does making fun of "certain groups" have to do with the price of tea in China? You think people only said what they said because they thought she was emo? If she were ****ing into classical, or "Gangsta Rap" a whole new set of jokes might have been told, sure, but it would still be mockery. Twat indeed. The reason any fun was made, as far as I could tell was because she was a complete ****ing ninny. "Look at my page on myspace guys! I like totally hate my mom!" Dumb ****s abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jimmy Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Everything about this is just sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 I'd say the responses the topic garnered were fitting, and certainly showed no sign of immaturity.I beg to differ, and I'm with ET all the way. There are certain things you don't joke about. Yes, I'm taking the moral high ground by saying so, but I like the view from up there. **** her, and anyone that feels sorry for her.Thank you:p (no offense taken, though, I know how you feel. It is a horrific thing to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Well what sort of comments should people be making? Congratulatory ones? Sympathetic ones? **** her, and anyone that feels sorry for her. I hope she has that knife crammed in her ass right before she burns. PS. Piss on "emos". Oh no! People are saying bad things about a cold blooded murderer. What to do?Hmm. I believe that a mature person would be making comments about her psychological state. Perhaps a mature person would be making an effort to understand the psychology of such a person, so that they could recognise it in others... perhaps in friends or relatives. A mature person would not be saying "Piss on emos". Because saying "piss on emos", as you did, would be immaturely lashing out at an entire fashion group, an entire social strata, for the actions of one deranged individual. If the girl was German, no doubt you would be typing things like "piss on germans". If you don't see anything wrong in saying such things, perhaps you need to engage in some self-analysis. I have met foolish and self-absorbed gothy/emo types, and intelligent, pleasant gothy/emo types. Just as I have met honourable Germans, and rather silly immature Germans. Well wouldn't saying how aweful it is be a bit redundant? Obviously unless you're as ****ed in the head as this kid is, you'd find this aweful. However, if you can't see the humor in someone being dumb enough to promote something as perverse as this on a website, then...well I just don't know. I think it's defiantely ****ed up, yeah, but I see nothing wrong with finding humor in the folly of it.This is the only correct thing you typed in your post. There is indeed a place for humour in the face of tragedy. Without humour and satire, we would turn into a bunch of hand-wringing old women, unable to maintain our morale or do anything constructive in life. However, humour is one thing, but making abusive blanket statements about a large group of people is not humour, it's foolish. How do you go from one breath taking the high ground on maturity, to calling people twats with the next? And what does making fun of "certain groups" have to do with the price of tea in China? You think people only said what they said because they thought she was emo? If she were ****ing into classical, or "Gangsta Rap" a whole new set of jokes might have been told, sure, but it would still be mockery. Twat indeed. The reason any fun was made, as far as I could tell was because she was a complete ****ing ninny. "Look at my page on myspace guys! I like totally hate my mom!" Dumb ****s abound.I believe Feanaro was making the (quite correct) point that the comments made above were not directed at this murderess. They were comments like "f**k all emos!!!1". Now that doesn't insult or lampoon this murdering girl, it merely insults all those who dress like her. Or all those who listen to the same music. You can't excuse that by any moral means. And frankly, your attitude... It's juvenile. You swear and bluster. Be cool. Be logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Torque Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Hmm. I believe that a mature person would be making comments about her psychological state. Perhaps a mature person would be making an effort to understand the psychology of such a person, so that they could recognise it in others... perhaps in friends or relatives. Let's be honest, trying to understand the psychology of this girl based on quotes from other people debating here and our sub-standard speculations will not help anyone. Let's have the people who are trained psycho-analyze her and then discuss the results. That would be the mature thing to do. As of right now all we really know is that a "nice and friendly" girl killed her mom. We know she most likely has problems but we don't know what kinds. And I think all of us need to stop pretending that we realy care about "maturity" in this debate. We are just using it to try to make the people we disagree with have an obsolete point. If you really cared about being mature you wouldn't post a response to this thread because it's immature in the first place to speculate about other peoples private affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 And I think all of us need to stop pretending that we realy care about "maturity" in this debate. We are just using it to try to make the people we disagree with have an obsolete point. If you really cared about being mature you wouldn't post a response to this thread because it's immature in the first place to speculate about other peoples private affairs.Here I disagree. I think you know very well that me and ET Warrior care about maturity. We may be "specualting about other people's private affairs", but we're not posting ridiculous statements about her choice of wearing panties instead of boxer shorts, her father's passion for NASCAR racing, or her aunt's love of pornography. I believe it's not immature to talk seriously about homicide, even if it took place inside a family's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Let's be honest, trying to understand the psychology of this girl based on quotes from other people debating here and our sub-standard speculations will not help anyone. Let's have the people who are trained psycho-analyze her and then discuss the results. By that logic, we should not discuss politics because we are not political analysts, we should not discuss science because we are not professional scientists, etcetera etcetera. Personally I've found several of the insights in the posts of Dagobahn Eagle rather enlightening already. He's not Freud, and he doesn't have to be. He has something to say on the topic. I want to read what people have to say on the topic. And I think all of us need to stop pretending that we realy care about "maturity" in this debate. We are just using it to try to make the people we disagree with have an obsolete point. If you really cared about being mature you wouldn't post a response to this thread because it's immature in the first place to speculate about other peoples private affairs.That's nonsense. This is a news story. It's in the public domain, and to discuss it is not immature. You've completely missed the point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Crazy girl gets grounded, kills her mom, is dumb enough/such an attention whore that she posts about it in several of her blogs, she goes to jail. What's to analyze? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight of Keno Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 That's nonsense. This is a news story. It's in the public domain, and to discuss it is not immature. You've completely missed the point IMO. But is not "news" just a shorter version of "speculate about other peoples private affairs" It's the whole point of haing news! People want to know about other people and then talk crap about them behind their backs. That's how humans are. And don't try to deny it. IMHO, you have missed the point by far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Why the **** is she automatically crazy for killing her mother? Perhaps she's just a callous little bitch. I'll never understand why people always have to cling to the hope that someone is simply crazy and it's not their own doing. Lock her up, keep her locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Why the **** is she automatically crazy for killing her mother? Perhaps she's just a callous little bitch. I'll never understand why people always have to cling to the hope that someone is simply crazy and it's not their own doing. Lock her up, keep her locked up. She just looks crazy to me. Not necessarily crazy in the eyes of the law, but I don't think she's playing with a full deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 0.o i'm abit undecided as to what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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