lukeiamyourdad Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/10/23/exile.html Don't send them here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus Q'ol Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Personally, I'd rather go to prison. J/K all you friends to the north. This does seem strange. Why would a judge consider Canada a punishment? Very, very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 This has to be a joke. This guy has sex with a 15 year old child, and then instead of locking him up for a good long time we sentence him to Canada. What would happen if he murdered someone, would he end up in Australia? If so, the murder rate is about to hit an all time high. This person is our problem and should be taken care of in an American Court then an American Prison. If were going to exile him somewhere how about Iraq or Afghanistan. Lets see what happens if he molest a child over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 now, since when have American authorities ever used their heads? this is as stupid as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Another USA sucks thread, yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I think his life will suck in Canada though... People in his area will know about his 'deed' and...make his life unpleasant. Although it beats the punishment IN the jail (you know what they do with people like him there...) every day. Imo: Just put the guy behind bars. It'll be the ultimate punishment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Wtf did that judge smoke? I don't see how a decision like this could be legal... I'd love to see the judge's written opinion, if any... sometimes the way these things are reported in the news is a bit deformed. The guy already lived in Canada with his wife and kids (his wife has Canadian citizenship) so they are not litterally "shipping" him here. It is also not uncommon for people who plead guilty to such offenses to avoid prison and be released under conditions (at least in Canada)... but preventing him from going to the US while he has US citizenship? That's the part that sounds completely out of bounds to me, especially since Canada could refuse him entry or deport him. It just doesn't make sense. I think his life will suck in Canada though... People in his area will know about his 'deed' and...make his life unpleasant. Although it beats the punishment IN the jail (you know what they do with people like him there...) every day. From a strict legal point of view, what he did would not have been a crime in Canada if the girl was consenting as the age of consent for sexual relations is 14 yrs of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 WTF?! Just send him to prison, but why here? That just disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I never understood the whole america versus canada thing. I liek canada, it has cool trees and log cabins and mounties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 From a strict legal point of view, what he did would not have been a crime in Canada if the girl was consenting as the age of consent for sexual relations is 14 yrs of age. Holy hell...that can't be true...that's just...it actually helps the people like the [random swearing] in the article 'do their thing.' That's some pretty stupid law-making there in Canada... It should be a worldwide law that people older then 18 should keep their filthy hands of kids. The punishment for it should be hard. Jail, death, who knows. On a side note: What if it's a 'real' relationship? For example, between a 17-year old boy and a 19-year old girl? That would be considered illegal as well, wouldn't it? Although there could still be love involved. Two years isn't such an obstacle, as it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 That has got to be the most stupidest sentences I have ever heard of. It was my impression that if you engage in any sexual misconduct with a a minor, you do time for it. I say put the perps in prison. This exile bit sounds a bit cushy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Holy hell...that can't be true...that's just...it actually helps the people like the [random swearing] in the article 'do their thing.' That's some pretty stupid law-making there in Canada... 18 us far from being the rule, even in the US where it is 16 in most of the states and even 14 in a few states: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Must be flattering for Canadian citizens that their country is considered a gulag by the US legal system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 It's skin for skin, and hide for hide. Let's start a prisoner exchange program with the US Judicial system. We'll take their rapists is we take their's. It'll be fun! But seriously. You know what we should do? Exile him ourselves. Send him to some small obscure country across the pond. Some place nobody's ever heard of. Oh, and D3, in Canada, the legal age of consent is 16, not 14, I believe. We need to change that law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I never understood the whole america versus canada thing. I liek canada, it has cool trees and log cabins and mounties. Sounds a little stereotypical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 But seriously. You know what we should do? Exile him ourselves. Send him to some small obscure country across the pond. Some place nobody's ever heard of. Like the North? Near Alert or on one of those island up their that he'd have to rely on hunting/fishing his own food and keeping warm. That seems a suitable punishment, if they sent them up here, IMHO. @ HerbieZ: We have more than that we have...... We ahve tons of great thing here besides that, like hockey and West Edmonton Mall. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Personally' date=' I'd rather go to prison. [/quote'] Must be flattering for Canadian citizens that their country is considered a gulag by the US legal system... WAHAHAHAHAHA! Ahem. Excuse that outburst, all. I can have a strange sense of humor, and the idea of Canada as a gulag struck it. This is probably one of the strangest sentences I've heard yet. Exile to Somalia might be a punishment, but Canada...? It's a safe and developed country. It also strikes me as unjust. There's not really anything bad about having to move to Canada, yet he just had sex with a teenager. Behind bars would be a better place to relocate him... Exile and deportation is also a strange sentence. That's not been a widespread punishment for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 On a side note: What if it's a 'real' relationship? For example, between a 17-year old boy and a 19-year old girl? That would be considered illegal as well, wouldn't it? Although there could still be love involved. Two years isn't such an obstacle, as it seems... A lawyer told me about a case he defended a long time ago. An 18 year old guy had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. The girl's sister was not happy and denounced him as inciting her to debauchery. Of course, the sister lost her cause as the judge said he won't condemn someone for being a year older. The lawyer's pretty old so...it's probably a case in the 70's or something. Must be flattering for Canadian citizens that their country is considered a gulag by the US legal system... This shows how much some of our southern neighbors knows about us. I remember back in 03 when there was a lot of debates about the war in Iraq. When a pro-war American was pissed or couldn't find a way out against me, he'd say:"Why do you hate America? Are you jealous of our freedom?" It seems some still think that the Canadian Prime Minister is some despot who took power through some putsch and imposes martial law...Oh the oppression... Oh, and D3, in Canada, the legal age of consent is 16, not 14, I believe. We need to change that law. She's a lawyer, you're not. The age of consent is 14. 16 is what the Harper government wants to impose. The conservative government wants to "protect" the children by raising the age of consent, but if there was consentment, are you protecting the person from something? Having strict laws in these cases might not be the way to go. Like in my story at the beginning of my post, having a law that forbid sex between someone over 18 and someone under 18 brings loads of problems. Back on topic, this man might actually end up without having a country at all. Canada can deny his entry because he has been convicted of a crime. He could end up with no country at all. Every crime should be judge by its nature. Of course, this guy is no serial rapist or serial killer, so he's not so much a threat to anyone here. It does however, set a precedent. Instead of taking care of its own criminals, the American legal system can send little criminals up north in a very horrible hell-hole controlled by genocidal dictators where homosexuals can get married. Hell! I tell you! Hell! People are oppressed here in Canada! We can say what we want about the government! We can walk in streets without getting shot! Free healthcare! Dear lord! Save us all! I'm sorry, I had to get that off of my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jimmy Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I like the doc's way of thinking. I propose all the nations on Earth get together and play a little game. We all try and ship away our crims to other countries. Everyone will be receiving/getting-rid-of crims, It'll be anarchy! The first country to get rid of all their crims wins! Joking of course. That was a really stupid sentence the judge made there. It doesn't really seem fair to Canada if you ask me. Surely there was some reason/logic behind his descision though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 She's a lawyer, you're not. You'll notice that I corrected myself. I'm not claiming superior legal knowledge or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 You'll notice that I corrected myself. I'm not claiming superior legal knowledge or anything. So that's what the strikeout line was for...carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I'm going to remember this when the draft comes. Molest a kid, get sent to Canada. Technically it's not draft-dodging! I beat the system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Well, his home is in Canada, so I think is pretty legal to exile him there. Something like a house arrest? I don't find it too odd, really. Eccentric, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Well, his home is in Canada, so I think is pretty legal to exile him there. Something like a house arrest? The thing is that he has no right to return to the US which is his country of citizenship...notwithstanding the fact that Canada can deport him (Canada is in no way bound by that order). This is where the decision appears totally illegal to me. I'm not a US lawyer but, I don't see how it would be enforceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 The thing is that he has no right to return to the US which is his country of citizenship...notwithstanding the fact that Canada can deport him (Canada is in no way bound by that order). This is where the decision appears totally illegal to me. I'm not a US lawyer but, I don't see how it would be enforceable. Bribe? Well yes, the judge does seem to look like an ass. Maybe he was just joking or something. You know these judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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