A little help...

[Jason Skywalker]

I don't want to kill you! You make me laugh!

Ok, now really:

 

Would you kill me? Depends.

subquestion(a) why would you? If you where threatening me with a fire arm or a knife or so, i would try to survive, even if it meant to kill you.

subquestion(b) Why wouldn't you? Because it is wrong.

[mimartin]

Simple question.

 

Would you kill me? No.

subquestion(a) why would you?

subquestion(b) Why wouldn't you?

 

I thought of this quote yesterday while listening to the news of what happen at Virginia Tech. It was said by Clint Eastwood’s William Munny in the 1992 movie “Unforgiven.”

 

“It's a hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.”

 

I don’t know if I’d ever be able to kill someone for any reason. What the point of living if you can’t live with your actions afterward. If it was to protect some I love, then I’d like to believe I could, but no one knows for sure until they’re put in that position.

[Nancy Allen``]

I'm going to have to go with what others said and tell you to go find some help. I mean it, if you're going about forums asking the people there if they'd kill you then you need to see a doctor, seek some professional help now.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Next time, specify that you're not suicidal, and talk a little more about why you're researching this subject. It'd help a lot.

 

To properly answer your question: If you asked me to kill you, it'd heavily depend on scenario. It wouldn't be my job anyway - maybe if I was a doctor I might give you euthanasia if you were mortally ill and in great pain, but other than that, no.

[Hallucination]

Would you kill me?

Yes.

subquestion(a) why would you?

Because I feel like saying something different than everyone else here.

[JediMaster12]

To be honest why would I want to kill anyone? Besides denying someone the right to life, I would have to have a good reason to like if I were in the middle of armed combat or something. As I said before RJM, I wouldn't kill you because you gave me no reason to. Certainly I have the potential to but to me there is no logical and justifiable reason why I should.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

And quite frankly, this thread scares me.

Why nothing scary is happening to you?

That, friend, is possibly the best question I've heard all year.

And yet I wonder if that is your best answer?

To properly answer your question: If you asked me to kill you, it'd heavily depend on scenario. It wouldn't be my job anyway - maybe if I was a doctor I might give you euthanasia if you were mortally ill and in great pain, but other than that, no.

Why not in any other scenario?

 

1. It's against the law. If I kill you, and I get caught, the law will kill me. (Assumption: I wanna live.)

2. Society has brainwashed me to believe that killing people without reason is wrong. (Assumption: I have no reason to kill you.)

3. I waste energy killing you that I could use...well...doing something much more productive. Like watching TV.

Again, this encounter will not be held accountable to any legal system or repurcussions.

What is society? Your mind is your own.

Assume that in this instance, you have nothing better to do...

Soon, I will simply cease to exist, until then you have no distractions except the choice. Assume also that you could end my life without effort.

 

People are getting creeped out because they think you're really wanting to die--you might want to clarify that for all the rest of us readers.

It matters not. If I am suicidal and wanted help I would've asked for it. Therefore you can assume that I am of clear mind and am not taking my own life out of grief or any such reason. Other than that, there is no assurance.

Killing is a fundamental violation of someone's right to live, and it's not my prerogative to take someone else's life. It's an ultimately selfish act--the killer is in essence saying 'your very presence in life offends me'. There are far better ways of handling that situation.

I am freely giving you the choice. You may do whatever you wish.

 

Would you kill me? Depends.

subquestion(a) why would you? If you where threatening me with a fire arm or a knife or so, i would try to survive, even if it meant to kill you.

subquestion(b) Why wouldn't you? Because it is wrong.

No such attempts or any actions against you or anyone else.

Wrong is a broad word, why?

 

“It's a hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.”

 

I don’t know if I’d ever be able to kill someone for any reason. What the point of living if you can’t live with your actions afterward. If it was to protect some I love, then I’d like to believe I could, but no one knows for sure until they’re put in that position.

In this situation I have nothing to take away, I will end wether you act or not.

Complete forgiveness is optional.

 

Because I feel like saying something different than everyone else here.

You would end my life for the sole reason of being unique?

 

To be honest why would I want to kill anyone? Besides denying someone the right to life, I would have to have a good reason to like if I were in the middle of armed combat or something. As I said before RJM, I wouldn't kill you because you gave me no reason to. Certainly I have the potential to but to me there is no logical and justifiable reason why I should.

I haven't given you a reason not to.

[Hallucination]

I'm rather disappointed the one person who said 'yes' didn't get any love in your reply, RJM.

Edit: I see I'm not the only one who used the edit button in this thread.

 

You would end my life for the sole reason of being unique?

I'd and did say that to keep my intent to find out how you would react to someone saying 'yes' a secret. It didn't work.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

Accidentally hit "post quick reply" instead of Enter new line;)

the chatbox is really hurting my posting skills:lol:

[Hallucination]

I know what you mean. Of course, having a keyboard with a broken spacebar doesn't help me, either.

P.S. Look up.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

Your grammar is barely readable there. But it's not my reaction that matters if that's what you mean, only yours.

[Hallucination]

My reaction was to not think about it because it's a morbid and impossible situation, so I decided to see how you would react to someone saying 'yes'.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

There is nothing impossible. In fact possibility is the only thing possible.

You will take one of two actions...

You will kill me

You will not kill me

You will do one or the other and therefore it is not impossible.

[SilentScope001]

Again, this encounter will not be held accountable to any legal system or repurcussions.

What is society? Your mind is your own.

Assume that in this instance, you have nothing better to do...

Soon, I will simply cease to exist, until then you have no distractions except the choice. Assume also that you could end my life without effort.

 

No punishment? No society and nobody to tell me what to do? And I got nothing BETTER for me to do?

 

Then it wouldn't be murder at all. You just stripped of all the cool and uncool parts that make murder what it is, that we defined it as. You turned such a horrible act of stabbing and murdering a person into...well...something so dehumanized, so useless that...well...er....

 

It's like putting a dog to sleep, basically. You inject him with the medication and he dies. No romanticism, no funerals, no arrests, nothing. Just 'population control'. If a person can easily be dispatched in this manner, as you put yourself to me, you have turned yourself into a dog who is ready to put himself to sleep.

 

And I am of the same species as you. I am too a dog.

 

Remember that soon, I will simply cease to exist, and this only distraction is this choice? But distractions is what makes life bearable, somewhat. Elimante the distractions, and we elimnate all purpose of living.

 

I....wouldn't do it. I just can't. Any secret thrill that a man could get for a murder of an innocent person has been destroyed, so in essence, the destruction of the act of 'destruction' would be so terrible. Why should I kill, when you have destroyed the definition of 'killing'?

 

Instead, I would ask you to go and end my life.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

I never said murder, I gave you the choice willingly remember? If you consider it murder that is your choice.

Then it wouldn't be murder at all. You just stripped of all the cool and uncool parts that make murder what it is, that we defined it as. You turned such a horrible act of stabbing and murdering a person into...well...something so dehumanized, so useless that...well...er....

 

It's like putting a dog to sleep, basically. You inject him with the medication and he dies. No romanticism, no funerals, no arrests, nothing. Just 'population control'. If a person can easily be dispatched in this manner, as you put yourself to me, you have turned yourself into a dog who is ready to put himself to sleep.

How does that affect your decision?

 

And I am of the same species as you. I am too a dog.

An interesting choice of words which opens another door of questions. Unfortunately it is a little to tangental for the moment. Remind me to come back to this...

 

Remember that soon, I will simply cease to exist, and this only distraction is this choice? But distractions is what makes life bearable, somewhat. Elimante the distractions, and we elimnate all purpose of living.

Maybe we miscommunicated. It would not be long before I would cease to exist, a few minutes, a day maybe, not long. I am not saying you would lose distractions, only that until such time as I meet my unavoidable end you may focus on this choice without external interference. I wouldn't want to take up all your precious time;)

 

I....wouldn't do it. I just can't. Any secret thrill that a man could get for a murder of an innocent person has been destroyed, so in essence, the destruction of the act of 'destruction' would be so terrible. Why should I kill, when you have destroyed the definition of 'killing'?

I'm confused, "thrill" is a requirement to perform the act? What is the definition of killing that I have destroyed?

 

Instead, I would ask you to go and end my life.

A very interesting choice? In this scenario, I am incapable of taking any action against you, as per the "no repurcussions" agreement. Why would you come to that conclusion when, after I die of my impendeding cause or your own choice, you will be returned to your normal everyday life. Any reason you have given for not killing me would be a reason for you to live. You could simply not act, wait several minutes until I die naturally and then resume your life.

[EnIgmA_XX]

So, wait, i think everyone is getting confused here. do you mean:

 

1. it's just the person and you, alone.

2. the person has a choice to kill you or do anything, and can mystically generate things such as a gun. as well, killing doesn't take any energy and you don't have anything else to do for the moment, eliminating the "i'd rather spend my energy doing something else" answer.

3. there are no repurcussions to the murder and the person can just proceed with life afterwards, the only real effect being possible guilt.

 

is that what you mean? this is an awkwardly interesting question. i'm sure that there are some people in the world that would take that chance and kill you, though most wouldn't. people like to uphold their moral codes, and there's just too much guilt involved.

 

what i think RJM is doing and why i find this thread so interesting is that she (RJM is a she, right?) seems to be probing for the sadistic side of people. i'm sure that many people, or at least some, have some kind of secret "thrill of killing" like how SS001 describes.

[EnderWiggin]

What value could it have?

 

If I was willing to let you kill me, I don't value it.

 

And when have you been the foremost authority on what is to be valued?

The idea of killing someone, is, to most, the one of the most horrible punishments - not on the pain scale, but on the moral scale. This act takes everything from the punished. It may be that you believe that you dying would allow you to get to your afterlife, whatever that may be, or you may prefer to think that this isn't just a test. Either way, I'm not sadistic or twisted, and I have nothing to gain from killing you.

 

And you have everything to lose.

 

No thanks.

 

_EW_

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

Yes to all three. And if forgiveness would ease the guilt, it would be available, or you could simply choose not to remember.

Why would there be so much guilt? I've done my best to eliminate reasons for you to feel guilty.

 

I'm not probing any sadistic side, if we encounter someone's sadistic side I'm sure it would be quite interesting though. I'm trying to learn about and help you look closer at the choices you make, and the reasons for making them. Thrill may or may not be had.

(RJM is a she, right?)

I am "Comically Ambiguous"

 

And when have you been the foremost authority on what is to be valued?

The idea of killing someone, is, to most, the one of the most horrible punishments - not on the pain scale, but on the moral scale. This act takes everything from the punished. It may be that you believe that you dying would allow you to get to your afterlife, whatever that may be, or you may prefer to think that this isn't just a test. Either way, I'm not sadistic or twisted, and I have nothing to gain from killing you.

 

And you have everything to lose.

I simply meant that I placed no value on myself, and the only value is in your perception. I've said it before...in this situation after a certain amount of time I would simply end, wether you act or not. I'm not missing anything, you wouldn't be taking anything from me.

Why does it require you to be sadistic or twisted?

[EnIgmA_XX]

Hm, yes that is a good point. why do people not kill if there are no repurcussions? i think that just by the way we are raised by society, when we are given a choice like this, something just pops in your mind and says "it's wrong, don't do it". even if we were transported to a society that deems it okay, that instinct just kicks in. it's who we are, we don't like killing.

 

although for the record i do have a semi sadistic side, but very rarely. even then, the feeling never kicks in enough to make a difference in my actions. pls don't tell me to get help, i'm fine and can function decently well in society (not completely well because i'm a quiet nerd). i've always wondered if anyone else was like me, though.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

If you weren't taught by society that you just shouldn't do it what would your choice be?

[EnIgmA_XX]

i don't know. if we're just sitting there, i probably wouldn't do anything. if you were suggesting it, i'd have no society made concience to go on and i'd probably shoot you.

[REDJOHNNYMIKE]

If you had no society based conscience, why would you shoot?

[EnIgmA_XX]

because there is nothing in my head telling me not to. if you were suggesting it, i'd probably go and pull the trigger with the same calmness and frame of mind as if you were asking me to pour you a cup of water.

[SilentScope001]

I never said murder, I gave you the choice willingly remember? If you consider it murder that is your choice.

 

Alright, alright. My bad.

 

How does that affect your decision?

 

Well, you sort of turned the human race upside down. Orignally, humans believe they are instricnctally valuable. You took that away, by standing there, saying, "Well?"

 

It just takes away value for human life, which is something that would be quite....terrible really. At least with sucide, you are giving the human life value, by saying, "I take it away because I realize that it gives me pain, and I have to get rid of the pain and the misery." You got a reason for killing yourself.

 

But, nope. You aren't even standing there begging for me to kill you. You just don't care.

 

An interesting choice of words which opens another door of questions. Unfortunately it is a little to tangental for the moment. Remind me to come back to this...

 

Okay. I hope to do.

 

Maybe we miscommunicated. It would not be long before I would cease to exist, a few minutes, a day maybe, not long. I am not saying you would lose distractions, only that until such time as I meet my unavoidable end you may focus on this choice without external interference. I wouldn't want to take up all your precious time

 

Hm. In that case, killing you would be the lesser of evils. It would remove you, and allow me to continue living life with distractions. Prehaps I could feel shame for doing such a deed, and that shame will add meaning to my life, which would give definition for me, which would be better for me in the long run.

 

Remember, however, that you stripped all meaning of living, and of all social constructs condemning murder. Keep them there, and I wouldn't have done the deed.

 

I'm confused, "thrill" is a requirement to perform the act? What is the definition of killing that I have destroyed?

 

Well, it less the definition of killing and more the definition of human being as being something so valuable that it must be protected, otherwise nature would start screaming in pain, oh noes!

 

By standing there, not caring, you destroyed the social construct of humans being important enough so that our muder is so important, and we lose meaning.

 

A very interesting choice? In this scenario, I am incapable of taking any action against you, as per the "no repurcussions" agreement. Why would you come to that conclusion when, after I die of my impendeding cause or your own choice, you will be returned to your normal everyday life. Any reason you have given for not killing me would be a reason for you to live. You could simply not act, wait several minutes until I die naturally and then resume your life.

 

Ithink however that if it didn't matter if you lived or died, prehaps by killing you, I would add in meaning for my life (redeeming myself for my 'sin'), and save countless mintues that I can use in day to day living.