EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Ok, well I have had it with that crap 3rd world country. Today their leader with a insanley long name said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal soon" I mean WTF. They just litteraly asked for a war. Now the question is, will the USA defend and aid Isreal? I personally say we should. We should bomb that country to no end, take out the goverment and just pack up and leave. No Iraq style where we rebuild and police a civil war. I also think the Brits should come and help aswell. Might aswell start a freaking Crusade. /endrant sorry in a bad mood Congressmen Hunter for President!! Or Rommney, or Mccain or Guiliani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I've been watching Ahmadinejad ever since he came to power. He is canny, politically savvy, and very dangerous. He has been posturing for some time and has not made his views about Israel secret. If he attacks US allies he'll undoubtedly face US forces, but I don't believe we should go in there and try to pre-emptively do something. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mossad did something, though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 I think we should do a preemptive strike on them. It is much safer to us and Isreal to attack them before they attack us. In reality it is like 9/11. We were on the defense we were wrong one time and they got us. But if we are on the offensive then they cant strike us first. Plus he is holding US citizens hostage calling them spies... Man I hate Iran with a passion lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I agree 110% you have to fight terror with terror lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Technically Iran has committed several acts of war already, supplying and supporting attacks on our troops in Iraq, unlawfully arresting our citizens on bogus charges, supporting terror groups whom are attacking Israel (an ally of the United States). Invasion wouldn't be an answer particularly with resources tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq, that's not to say a bunch of cruise missiles into their Nuclear Reactor sites wouldn't be prudent. On another note, Iran was involved in the attempted terrorist attack on Saudi Arabia's oil wells. Maybe we could get the Saudis to attack Iran for us as payback for trying to bomb their oil wells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Post deleted - hateful statements calling for the destruction of a country will not be tolerated on the boards. - Darth333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I do not think advocating the destruction of an entire country simply because you believe they "dont contribute to anything they are just a waste of space and life" is morally or ethically sound. I suggest you educate yourself further about the issue before you make such general and awful statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yeah, and I also think you should be destroyed because you are doing nothing but contribute an opinion that is hateful and mean. Now, I don't really mean that, but hopefully you get the idea I'm trying to put across. You are currently stating you want to see the destruction of the group of people with absolutely no fact or moral reasoning behind it, and if you continue I am afraid I will have to report you. Everybody has the right to an opinion, but in this forum we try and put facts and reason behind our debates. Hate comments are not tolerated. I suggest you please educate yourself and think about what you are posting before you press the 'post reply' button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 What can we do? We place our trusts in our governments to do the right thing by our respective countries; as individuals we can protest but it is our leaders that hold all the power, and at the end of the day they will come up with peaceful democratic solutions to world crisis' (such as the immonent threat of Iran, North Korea etc.) or choose oblivion through an act of war - as individuals we don't have many options open to us for change. I also think the Brits should come and help aswell. Might aswell start a freaking Crusade. No offence but i don't want this, as a 'Brit' as you so put it i have had enough of our soldiers fighting and dying for a cause that has no meaning or value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 As far as it being a pointless fight I'd have to respectfully disagree, I don't particularly want to see a nuclear weapon in the hands of a bunch of fanatics that wouldn't hesitate to use it. Iran is controled by religious fanatics whom are the ones in charge of the Military, the average Iranian isn't an extremist, the extremists just happen to be the ones that have control of the country with the support of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and various secret police units. The religious extremists in Iran are trying to start a fight with Israel and the United States due to the fact that domestically Iran is in dire straights, so they are trying to distract the populace from domestic problems. The problem is that the people whom control Iran right now will probably launch nuclear weapons at Israel almost as soon as they get them. They really don't care what happens to the civilian population as a result of Israel's retaliation. While Israel officially doesn't have nukes, unofficially it is believed Israel has over 300 nuclear weapons. In all honesty Saddam would have had a nuke before the 1st Gulf War if not for the actions of Israel. Seriously, it is likely that military action will have to be taken against Iran, I'm just hoping it will end up being another muslim country like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or Jordan that ends up attacking Iran. While Israel would probably be a lot more efficient going about knocking out Iran's nuclear capability, it would anger a lot of muslims that Israel is attacking a muslim country even though it is justifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gargoyle King Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I was quoting the Iraqi War, i agree and respect your points on this subject matter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 As far as it being a pointless fight I'd have to respectfully disagree, I don't particularly want to see a nuclear weapon in the hands of a bunch of fanatics that wouldn't hesitate to use it. http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20070604-022118-4110 MOSCOW, June 4 (UPI) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin told a British newspaper U.S. plans to put a missile defense system in eastern Europe could trigger a nuclear war. "It is obvious that if part of the strategic nuclear potential of the U.S. is located in Europe and will be threatening us, we will have to respond," Putin told The Times of London. "This system of missile defense on one side and the absence of this system on the other ... increases the possibility of unleashing a nuclear conflict." This article sums up my view on the issue. Iran is not the threat to America. Russia is. Russia actually got nukes, unlike Iran. Russia is angry at the Missle Defense Shield being installed in Poland and Czech Republic...America claims it is to defend against rogue nations, but Russia is paranoid that it is really aimed at them, and that Russia is ready to go to war to stop the Missle Shield from being built. And with Russia allied with China, you can bet that we may go to war with them in the near future if Bush doesn't stop this building of this Missle Shield. (I'm personally opposed to the Missle Shield, but it doesn't really matter anyway, for it seems to go on anyway, and we're talking about threats to America...) I don't care who's right and who's wrong in the Missle Shield spat. Frankly, FORGET Iran, and turn your attention to Putin and his successor, for these are the guys with nukes and the will to use them...and the ability to wage a sustained war against United States of America if need be. Worst case sceranio in Iran: We get bogged down in an Iraq/Somaila-style quamire. Worst case Scernaio in Russia: Putin installs a puppet government in Washigtion, D.C, and then bogged down in an Iraq/Somaila-style quamire with American rebels playing the role as the terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Ok, well I have had it with that crap 3rd world country. Yee-ah! Day-ang those darn Ay-rayabs to tarnation! Today their leader with a insanley long name said "the world will witness the destruction of Isreal soon" I mean WTF. They just litteraly asked for a war. We shud nook 'em, jerst lark the Jay-aps 'n 'forti-faave. Now the question is, will the USA defend and aid Isreal? I personally say we should. We should bomb that country to no end, take out the goverment and just pack up and leave. No Iraq style where we rebuild and police a civil war. Yay-ah! Day-eth to our enemays! Those dang muz-limms deezerve to dah fur theyur dayang su-ee-saad bombings! I also think the Brits should come and help aswell. Aww, who wornts the hay-elp of they-em inbray-ed sissis?! Might aswell start a freaking Crusade. Day-ang thay-et's a goooood ah-deeyur. [/sarcasm] Seriously, this kind of attitude is why the rest of the world has a serious dislike for your country. Oh, and what you think we 'should' do doesn't matter one bit. Why should we continue to act like your poodle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMaster12 Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Oh, and what you think we 'should' do doesn't matter one bit. Why should we continue to act like your poodle? Who is the we you are referring to Darth InSidious? Don't get me wrong, I have seen what the arrogance of the US has done in terms of the world opinion of us but that doesn't necessary apply to us exclusively. There are times when I think England is highly arrogant, at least in terms of the imperialistic ideals that were popular during the last century and a half. (My times may be obscured so don't butcher me). Still we are discussing the issue of Iran here. The reasons why anyone does anything is often a myriad of reasons that makes the issues complicated, which is why we have such lovely discussions such as this. Throw in paranoia and the idea that everyone is out to get you and you have the potential for the pot to boil over. I know that there are nations, particularly Arab nations that have spoken out against Israel since the day it was formed and it has escalated into violent deomstrations such as the suicide bombings and the like. I've been watching Ahmadinejad ever since he came to power. He is canny, politically savvy, and very dangerous. He has been posturing for some time and has not made his views about Israel secret. If he attacks US allies he'll undoubtedly face US forces, but I don't believe we should go in there and try to pre-emptively do something. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mossad did something, though.... Often times the best way to hide is right out in the open. We do know that he is posturing and his views are right out there. If Ahmadinejad does do something to Israel, then he might do something while putting on another front. Unfortunately something just crossed my mind just thinking about this and from SilentScope001 mentioning Russian paranoia. I would mention it but I don't want this to turn into another one of those conspiracy threads. For now it is suffice for me to keep it to myself and stew on it some more. As for Iran, probably the best thing is to wait and watch but as with Teddy Roosevelt, "just make sure you carry a big stick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yee-ah! Day-ang those darn Ay-rayabs to tarnation! We shud nook 'em, jerst lark the Jay-aps 'n 'forti-faave. Yay-ah! Day-eth to our enemays! Those dang muz-limms deezerve to dah fur theyur dayang su-ee-saad bombings! Aww, who wornts the hay-elp of they-em inbray-ed sissis?! Day-ang thay-et's a goooood ah-deeyur. [/sarcasm] Seriously, this kind of attitude is why the rest of the world has a serious dislike for your country. Oh, and what you think we 'should' do doesn't matter one bit. Why should we continue to act like your poodle? Umm you arnt out poodle, your our ally. But in all honestly you do what we tell you to do lol. (no offense) Dont forget England was a very brutal country in your past. As in killing off tons of scott's, trying to rule over america and world conquest. Oh and your the only country to actually do a crusade, 3 of them I think. Also, to back up my facts. The Muslim relgion is a very violent one. They did a fox news special on it. If you are not Muslim they tell you to become Muslim. If you dont convert they think you are a infadel and will kill you. [nasty bigotry snipped] /endrant None of that is hate, it is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Seriously, this kind of attitude is why the rest of the world has a serious dislike for your country. That and we are so paranoid if any other nation even has a passing thought about acquiring nuclear weapons (Iraqi anyone). Personally I believe other nations should be paranoid about the US having possession of them. Out of the nine nations believed by most to have nuclear weapons including, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel and the United States, the US is the only one to have used the destructive power of nuclear weapons on its enemy. Don’t get me wrong, I am under the impression that the use of “Little Boy” on Hiroshima and “Fat Man” on Nagasaki saved more lives (both Allied and Japanese) than they destroyed. I would make the same decision as Harry S. Truman under the same circumstances. I just find it hypocritical of the country I love would find it necessary to have a say in what any sovereign nation does with its own resources. After all from the other side we are considered the “fanatics.” The shame of the matter is that man is extremely proficient at destroying himself, if only we would put the same energy into the preserving life. Then maybe there would be no need to worry about the so-called fanatics. I find Iran less of a threat than North Korea to US interest. So to me it is logical to deal with the larger threat first, but what does logic have to do with anything. I also thought it was more important to go after Osama bin Laden than Saddam Hussein and I was wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Also, to back up my facts. The Muslim relgion is a very violent one. They did a fox news special on it. If you are not Muslim they tell you to become Muslim. If you dont convert they think you are a infadel and will kill you. [nasty bigotry snipped] /endrant None of that is hate, it is fact. Thats it, you are reported. Again. You are ignorant beyond belief and will only look through your narrow world veiw where everybody sucks if they are not part of your country. Right now you are proving to be just as violent, if not more, than the people you want to bomb so badly. Have you ever taken a religous class? Have you ever gone and listened to an actual muslim talk about his/her religion? Have you ever been present at a class taught by a muslim? Have you ever even talked to an actual muslim before? I will guess no to all of the above considering your blatant prejudice and hatefull statements. None of what you said was fact. You have no proof any of it is fact. So all you are showing us is hate and ignorance. This is a debate forum. If you want to rave about how great your country is and how terrible everybody else is, find a forum where people like you like to gather. Umm you arnt out poodle, your our ally. But in all honestly you do what we tell you to do lol. (no offense) Nobody does what the USA says. Thats the United Nations job (In which we only ever have 1 vote out of hundreds of countries). So I think he should actually take offense to that. Saying "no offense" does not excuse a comment like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Well the funny thing is, because I think more conservative then you, i must be saying hate? Funny thing is, they had a special on FOX news, where they had muslims come in and say in their religion if you are not muslim and wont convert you ARE a infadel. Thats all there is to it. We are stuck in a war that will never end. Im sorry that im not a liberal that thinks we should stay out of the middle east. Also I didnt call for a wipe out of Iran, all i said is a nice strike on them would put them where they belong. Dont get your panies in a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Umm you arnt out poodle, your our ally. But in all honestly you do what we tell you to do lol. (no offense) I know several Englishmen and women who would vigorously and violently disagree with you on that point. Dont forget England was a very brutal country in your past. As in killing off tons of scott's, trying to rule over america and world conquest. Oh and your the only country to actually do a crusade, 3 of them I think. Anglo-Scottish War - 1513-1546 American Revolution - 1776-1783 The Crusades - 1095-1291 How is what England did hundreds of years ago relevant to their actions today? It's a far, far different world now than it was then. Also, to back up my facts. The Muslim relgion is a very violent one. They did a fox news special on it. If you are not Muslim they tell you to become Muslim. If you dont convert they think you are a infadel and will kill you. So is this for all Muslims? If so, then explain to me why my numerous Muslim friends have never tried to convert me to Islam and have also never tried to kill me. [nasty bigotry snipped] I cannot even begin to describe how much your bigotry and racism angers me. None of that is hate, it is fact. If it is fact, then please show me reputable sources that say "Muslims are evil and should be killed." EricJLeach, consider yourself warned. If you do not give me satisfactory reason for the hateful drivel that you spew, I will ban you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 1#: You are double posting, against the rules in the forums. 2#: You are still saying we should bomb a country and make it fall to American's will. 3#: Your sig is against forum rules as it is taking up more space than the post itself. (http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w199/EricJLeach/taliwars.jpg) 4#: You are attacking me for being a liberal when you have no proof I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 #5: You spelled "panties" wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJLeach Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 Well im going by what MY goverment has said. As in FOX news, please go look for it on fox, muslims were telling us about their religion. I doubt they were lying. Also, this isnt racism they are NOT a race. So unless my goverment and the News Agencies are lying then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Do you have any sources that aren't biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 The Muslim relgion is a very violent one. They did a fox news special on it. If you are not Muslim they tell you to become Muslim. If you dont convert they think you are a infadel and will kill you. My suggestion is you go to your local library and read the Koran (Qur’an) for yourself, before condemning an entire religion. I’ve read it and that is not the impression I received from its teachings. Just like the Bible you can take information out of context to make it into a book of pure evil that does promote violence against the unbeliever, but that is not the true meaning of either holy book. That is the beauty of the Bible and the Koran to the extremist element of both religions it can be misinterpreted both accidentally and purposely to support their cause. Add to that illiteracy of the masses and you have your extremist. I did not see the story on Fox News, but I do hope a so-called news agency would not purposefully misinterpret the teachings of any religion for the sake of ratings. If they were talking about the extremist then they might be correct, but as a religion Muslim is no more violent than Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 I do not tolerate bigots who spew hateful and disgustingly offensive claptrap. Thankfully, no one will have to stand this particular one anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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