JoeDoe 2.0 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The first cloning of a human embryo has occurred on a small laboratory on San Diego, California by a fertility doctor. Would more scientists step up to the plate and try their own experiments?? Will cloning finally be allowed? Please comment Full Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I for one, bow before our Cloned Overlords. Sounds like a pretty cool step towards absolute Clonocracy to me, and I'm okay with it. I just have an irrational fear of clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I think this must be another hoax. Remember that a few years ago someone else made this claim. It was big news, but was totally false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 They all say that until the Grand Army of the Republic comes in through the ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I think this must be another hoax. Remember that a few years ago someone else made this claim. It was big news, but was totally false. I honestly have to say that I agree. Until I hear something on a National News Channel or website, with proof, I think that it is a hoax. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Here you go guys, 47 articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Cloning humans is against nature. I am fully supportive to things that can help humanity. Like cloning Meat to solve world hunger. But cloning humans is completely different. Haven't you watched any movie where cloning is the main topic (The sixth day). What comes after cloning? All of the sudden someone might make a perfect human that might want to make more perfect humans and take over the world (Any robot thriller). Where's the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Why is cloning against nature?? It is not. Basically, nature does the same when creating offspring. Also, clones are technically nothing negative, and are not going to kill us all just because they're clones. After all a human clone with human DNA *is* a human being. And human beings with human DNA behave exactly like human beings with human DNA. At the end of the day it's all about how we treat them, how we deal with them, and what perspective we give them. If we're gonna make clones and throw them into a pit to sell them as slaves or something like that, the expected thing to happen sooner or later is told by human history already. However, I don't think that the human species is in need for "producing" more human offspring than we already do the "old fashioned" way. But I also doubt that anybody is currently trying to do so. It's just an experiment, and (in case this ain't a hoax) an embryo is really still far away from being grown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Someone PM Jae, she'll love to comment on this, regardless of its veracity. Cloning humans is against nature. I am fully supportive to things that can help humanity. Like cloning Meat to solve world hunger. But cloning humans is completely different. Haven't you watched any movie where cloning is the main topic (The sixth day). What comes after cloning? All of the sudden someone might make a perfect human that might want to make more perfect humans and take over the world (Any robot thriller). Where's the line?You haven't thought this through. Look at ordinary medicine. Through advances in treatment and lifestyles we've gone from an expected lifespan of 30 years (the Ancient Egyptian era) to 80+ years. We're curing and treating ailments that were death sentences less than half a century ago, such as HIV. We keep people who would otherwise have died a long time ago alive on respirators. I knew a guy in Houston who was paralyzed from the neck down, and was able to move around in society with his electric wheelchair, operating his own personal laptops with his brain. If you're against cloning because it's too 'radical', you have to be against ordinary medical science, too. You mention the classic argument where a group of supermen control the world. But what you have to realize is that this scenario is just as possible with normal medicine. If antibiotics, the knowledge of how to conduct CPR, intravenous drip, respirators, knowledge on how to sanitize hospitals, asthma medicine, vaccinations, and all the other inventions of medical science became restricted to only a small elite, you could perfectly have that elite live to the age of 80 and rule a proletariat of weak and unhealthy people who died at the age of 30 from multitudes of preventable diseases. As for nature - well, most of medicine, from CPR to vaccinations to ordinary band-aids, is against nature. The wild mammals' way of treating ailments is to lick wounds and let everything else heal - or get worse- by itself. And talking about how to treat clones it nonsensical as they're human beings just like the rest of us. It's like having a huge debate about how to treat people who are immune to HIV, or vaccinated against cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 YES! Cloning is finally here, guys! Now we no longer have to restort to 'lust' to reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Now we no longer have to restort to 'lust' to reproduce. Yes and we can get rid of those other useless emotions like Love and Compassion. Lust is a part of human sexuality, but it is not the only part. It does not bother me if they completed this experiment. I believe the reason most Christians are against human cloning is that it is said that only God can create a soul. So if they ever actually completed this line of experiments to clone a human either it would be a soulless monster or a normal human copy. If it is a soulless monster it only proves the experiment failed, but if it is normal human copy that would cause some to question their faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Fett Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 2BR02B. Kurt Vonnegut Jr. wasn't a genius - he was a prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 On the other hand, Mimartin, it could be a completely new person. God works in mysterious ways, as they say, and who's to say he'd have any trouble giving a Clone a soul, any more so than he'd have giving a normal fetus one? I can't imagine any - omnipotence, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 On the other hand, Mimartin, it could be a completely new person. God works in mysterious ways, as they say, and who's to say he'd have any trouble giving a Clone a soul, any more so than he'd have giving a normal fetus one? I can't imagine any - omnipotence, remember? That is exactly the reason why I said I didn't have a problem with these experiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Galt Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Awesome. Maybe now Bush can start replacing those Blackwater mercs with cloned supersoldiers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 It does not bother me if they completed this experiment. I believe the eason most Christians are against human cloning is that it is said that only God can create a soul. So if they ever actually completed this line of experiments to clone a human either it would be a soulless monster or a normal human copy. If it is a soulless monster it only proves the experiment failed, but if it is normal human copy that would cause some to question their faith.So what if they don't have souls? We know from Simpsons that besides from the fact that automatic doors don't open to them for them and that animals hate them, they do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 So what if they don't have souls? We know from Simpsons that besides from the fact that automatic doors don't open to them for them and that animals hate them, they do just fine. LOL. it served Bart right for selling his soul so cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Though this doesn't really worry me much, I do have one concern. This clone, is still human, will become a human child, a human teen, and a human adult. I can only hope that the science nerds don't treat this soon-to-be human as some sort of guinea-pig and that the religious nuts don't try anything and that people in general simply don't make a big deal out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks for the link Sabre. Anyways, I really don't know what to think about it. There is one thing that I really don't understand, how is this embryo going to survive without a 'mother' to support it? I may have missed it in the news link...but regardless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Dravis Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Isn't there a problem with telomere lengths and cloned animals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I was talking about this subject with someone that I know, and they actually said that it was for stem cell research and use. Not sure though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDoe 2.0 Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think the embryo could be frozen and therefore put in stasis until they find a possible mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Has there ever been proof that cryogenics work on humans? I have to say that I find this story very interesting. There are a lot of questions that pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks for the link Sabre. Anyways, I really don't know what to think about it. There is one thing that I really don't understand, how is this embryo going to survive without a 'mother' to support it? I may have missed it in the news link...but regardless... likly in the same way any person without a father survives. Or an adopted child survives. I don't really think, if this embryo is allowed to develop all the way, that they'll be able to put up a sound argument to dump it on the street or use it as a lab rat. "In other news, I heard scientists are using lawyers instead of lab rats now. First the scientists get less attached to the lawyers, and second there some things even rats won't do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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