Ztalker Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Too good to let this go by... Eliot Spitzner, gouvernor of New York: "Media content has gotten more graphic, more violent and more sex-based ... Currently, nothing under New York State law prohibits a fourteen-year old from walking into a video store and buyin ... a game like ‘Grand Theft Auto,’ which rewards a player for stealing cars and beating people up. Children can even simulate having sex with a prostitute ..." This obviously is a stab at the GTA franchise. It also shows the man has very original ideas, since most politicians blame games for the derailed youth. So far, nothing new! But now comes the ownage! Article--clicky Small passage of the article: He may be opposed to violent video games like Hitman: Codename 47, but an FBI document alleges that New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D) was known as Client 9 to an upscale, international prostitution ring. Spitzer is seen at left with Silda, his wife of 21 years. Hypocrisy got a new chairman... Edit: Still can't get those url tags to work. What am I doing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOP-E Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 That's just epic... Spitzer's a creep anyway. >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I lol'd when I saw this on the news yesterday. Politicians should really be the last ones to engage in moral jihads. They're bad spokespeople for "good moral values" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 ^^^ No kidding. As they say: People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well, I won't weep for him if he steps down over this. Won't expect it, but won't be remotely bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 bah...who cares. Still, to play devil's advocate ... Being upset that kids simulate 'having sex with a prostitute' in a game is still a bit more worrying than some toff's alleged involvement with a real life prostitute...(a matter involving adults, not children) Rather than gloating about how some rich guy got 'pwnt' (no he actually didnt...he's still rich, and always will be!)...how about we spare a thought for the kids who have poor communication skills, poor parenting/role models, addiction problems, psych or physical illness and see computers and violent video games as their only outlet and way of interacting with the world... that's a far graver concern....I wonder what those e-tabloid scum at GP would actually like to **do** about that stuff, rather than just draw attention to trite nonsense. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 He's only effectively "pwnt" if his political aspirations are squashed. However, that is a field where some guys manage to don teflon and American politics (probably politics in general even) is often a land of second or third chances (Marion Berry, Richard Nixon, etc...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 That's why there are ratings on different games. However, the free game son the internet do little more than have a button that says 'If you are 18 or older click this button and play, but if you are younger you cannot play', yet children still click the button, and play non-age-appropriate games that have content such as that... However I doubt a child will be 'mentally scarred' after playing an M-rated game like Halo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I thought sale of games to minors was illegal (at least in the States)? That's your first barrier. Parents would also check what game the kid is playing, failure to do so only proves their bad parenting skills, especially considering the infamy of GTA. I think the US politicians are using video games as scapegoats, and that is a bad thing. How hard is it for a kid to obtain a porn or gore porn (Saw, Kill Bill, anything with lots of blood showers) DVD? Are those somehow less immoral than sex/violence in video games? Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Its common known fact that people use video games as scape goats. When its really the people themselves who take everything far to seriously. But game ratings were used for parents so they know not to buy the games. But just like the nutrition guide on food who really looks at the ratings anyways? Its not illegal to sell a game to a minor. Since it happens all the time and its not like if you get caught with a copy the judge says "500 000 fine and 10 years in juvie". Its just that its very taboo and many game stores give warnings to minors not to buy games because the cashiers wont let you buy them. But in reality most not-caring cashiers have a big sales quota to fill so if they find a Minor buying a 100 dollar game that is rated M their heart practically leaps in excitement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Question: Would you rather have the kid having sex in a game, or having sex with a real hooker and possibly getting AIDS or some other nasty disease? I would rather niether, but Ill choose the first option anyday. Especially if the kid is really a teenager, and not some nine year old that shouldnt be playing the game in the first place. And Spitzers crime isnt as big a deal as a certain former-president thats a known abuser of women and who has raped a few. And while I dont think its that big of a deal to begin with (Spitzers crime), the fact that hes in public office and being paid by taxpayers to do a specific job... thats where it starts becoming my (ie taxpayers) business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Well, at least he learns real skillz from the hookers... and that is definitely unlike wiggling your thumbs at L3 and R3 on your PS2 controller. Oh shi... what am I saying To say more, the hot coffee mode is a feature that is hidden, and requires some hacking to archieve, except for the "limited edition" games that is produced after the whole thing surfaces. And, a man using the services from the escots is his own business (whole concenting adults in closed door thing), and should not affect his ability as a governor. Though by doing so would mean that any moral crusade he is carrying on would be an act of extreme hypocracy to say the least. Its like Paris hilton trying to tell people not to be a slut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Uh, this whole sex is your own business is fine to a point. Once your escapades cross the line of legality (perjury/mail fraud/pederasty/etc..) you put yourself in hot water. All the more so when you're the top legal officer in your realm (prez/gov/mayor/etc..). Frankly, any high profile individual who monkeys around like this and gets caught should be forced to resign b/c they clearly seem to believe they are above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Read what I said carefully before. 1. govenor is hired by the people to do his job. 2. Taxpayers are paying him his salary (millions of dollars a year). 3. Said govenor goes out and hires a hooker with the money hes making as govenor. So the governor is then using taxpayers money to go out and commit adultery and illegal activities. It could be argued that he used money he had saved up from before becoming governor, but thats entirely laughable. Him using the taxpayers money in the form of his paycheck is what makes it everyones business. And then if he goes on these moral crusades about video games and smutty content, that makes it worse. Now, if he had gotten the sex from the hooker for free, then I agree that would be more along the lines of his business... Except that theres something in the papers and documents by the founding fathers that one of the requirements to hold public office was to be "morally decent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Actually, Hot Coffee is not a 'Hidden Feature'. It was a feature that was removed, but they fudged the removal up, thus making it possible for a game modification to make it available again. It's no different than nudity mods for Tomb Raider. Also: This is pretty funny. What an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted March 12, 2008 Author Share Posted March 12, 2008 Astrotoy7 wrote: Rather than gloating about how some rich guy got 'pwnt' (no he actually didnt...he's still rich, and always will be!)...how about we spare a thought for the kids who have poor communication skills, poor parenting/role models, addiction problems, psych or physical illness and see computers and violent video games as their only outlet and way of interacting with the world... that's a far graver concern....I wonder what those e-tabloid scum at GP would actually like to **do** about that stuff, rather than just draw attention to trite nonsense. I just used the word 'owned' because I aimed this article at the gaming hypocrisy. Same as the Cooper Lawrence case we recently saw. It isn't aimed at all at the kids who DO suffer beneath (in most cases) MMO's. Your point is absolutely valid, but that's not what this thread is about. A thread in Kavar's corner about your point seems a good idea. Let me just say the humour about this is obvious. Just imagine the man's family situation: *His kids play GTA at the playstation and are about to fight a hooker in the game* Spitzner: "You can't do that! Turn it off!! Seeing those women will damage your young minds!" Kids: "Who's that women behind you, daddy?" Spitzner: "Ehrr..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_prostitution Well, the "pwnage" is complete (politically anyway, for now). Now, will his wife apply the coop de gracy (sic) and divorce his pathetic @ss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Don* Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 You know, if I had a penny for every time a politician blamed GTA for the problem with children, I could buy a new car...(seriously) Anyhow, I'm glad he's resigned. He was a complete waste anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Instead of blaming GTA, an overrated, mediocre game, why not point the finger at parents or people in key roles in society (like Mr Spitzner)? I don't see kids going out thinking "hmmm this was cool in GTA so I think I'll just do that", but more like "Well my mum/dad/*insert random role model* does this all the time and gets away with it, so why shouldn't I?" It's called common sense and is readily available in your own noggin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Don* Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Instead of blaming GTA, an overrated, mediocre game, why not point the finger at parents or people in key roles in society (like Mr Spitzner)? I don't see kids going out thinking "hmmm this was cool in GTA so I think I'll just do that", but more like "Well my mum/dad/*insert random role model* does this all the time and gets away with it, so why shouldn't I?" It's called common sense and is readily available in your own noggin' I gotta agree with you on everything except the "mediocre game" part since GTA is one of the best games ever... P.S. I love ur sig pic btw. A picture says a thousand words, and that is a pic that I could write a book on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aash Li Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpentine Cougar Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Games make nice scapegoats, don't they? I am of the opinion that parents should be responsible for what their kids are playing, and teaching them what is right and wrong so they don't ever even think about going out and trying to re-enact the video game. Reminds me of this comic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 That, unfortunately, is the name of the game when victimology overtakes a culture. Hey, not my fault, someone else is to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 What do you expect from a society that blamed Beavis and Butthead for a boy burning his sister? Sure it is the parents fault for not watching their kids and teaching them right and wrong. But it makes the bad parents feel better that they can blame someone else. I should shut up... This is a subject I get pretty hot under the collar about, and this is the light hearted forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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