Teacher misconduct this election

[Rogue Nine]

And what did you do as research? Obama started his state senate campaign in Ayers' house for crying out loud, you can't honestly expect or anyone else to believe there is no association...

Source?

 

Anyways, if you look at the kids in the video I posted it looks awfully like the Hitler Youth movement, which in my opinion is scary putting it mildly.

I'm sorry, but the laws of internet debate dictate that you have just lost.

 

And is that youth movement endorsed by Obama? If it is, you may have something. If he doesn't, then you have nothing.

[GarfieldJL]

I'm sorry, but the laws of internet debate dictate that you have just lost.

 

Well do you have any other way to describe it, a militant style march with students for Obama, I'm not sure if Obama has anything to do with this or not in fairness, this topic is about the teacher responsible for this, and I'm using this as an example of a teacher abusing their power.

 

 

And is that youth movement endorsed by Obama? If it is, you may have something. If he doesn't, then you have nothing.

 

Uh I'm going to be looking for it, the first one I posted I'm not sure there is, but the topic is about teachers not Obama specifically. The second I believe there is a connection and I'll look into it.

 

Offhand though Hannity & Colmes covered this tonight.

[Rogue Nine]

Well do you have any other way to describe it, a militant style march with students for Obama, I'm not sure if Obama has anything to do with this or not in fairness, this topic is about the teacher responsible for this, and I'm using this as an example of a teacher abusing their power.

Right, and it just happened to be something anti-Obama? If it was just this one isolated incident, I can believe the coincidence. But you've turned pretty much every recent thread in Kavar's into an anti-Obama/anti-Democrat rant. So don't even give me that about being on-topic.

 

Uh I'm going to be looking for it, the first one I posted I'm not sure there is, but the topic is about teachers not Obama specifically. The second I believe there is a connection and I'll look into it.

Right, so you don't have anything. You just linked these articles in your quest to make Obama look bad without even checking if Obama had anything to do with these groups. Good job.

 

Offhand though Hannity & Colmes covered this tonight.

I don't care about Hannity and Colmes, talking heads are usually full of ****. That, and this has nothing to do with the topic you are allegedly trying to get back on track. So please stop bringing them up.

[GarfieldJL]

Right, and it just happened to be something anti-Obama? If it was just this one isolated incident, I can believe the coincidence. But you've turned pretty much every recent thread in Kavar's into an anti-Obama/anti-Democrat rant. So don't even give me that about being on-topic.

 

Considering these are youth groups for Obama, it ties to Barack Obama, I'm not going to lie about who these groups are supporting.

 

Right, so you don't have anything. You just linked these articles in your quest to make Obama look bad without even checking if Obama had anything to do with these groups. Good job.

 

Rouge Nine, they are supporting Barack Obama, I'm not going to lie and say they're supporting John McCain. I'm simply giving the facts, I'm not sure if it is tied to Senator Obama or not and I'm going to look in on it, but the Teachers Unions are generally endorsing Senator Obama.

 

 

I don't care about Hannity and Colmes, talking heads are usually full of ****. That, and this has nothing to do with the topic you are allegedly trying to get back on track. So please stop bringing them up.

 

You asked me for a source, I answered.

 

 

Back to topic, at the very least the instructors involved are way out of line, and I don't think they should even be teaching.

[Litofsky]

Considering these are youth groups for Obama, it ties to Barack Obama, I'm not going to lie about who these groups are supporting.

So, because they support Obama, Obama automatically supports them? That's not very good logic. It's like saying the people support the oil companies. Do the oil companies necessarily support the people?

 

I'm simply giving the facts, I'm not sure if it is tied to Senator Obama or not and I'm going to look in on it, but the Teachers Unions are generally endorsing Senator Obama.

Facts can be skewed, as I'm sure you've seen. As for the Teacher's Union supporting Obama, I'd ask for a source, but I'd bet that what you say is true. Based on the past eight years of Republican leadership, I'm not surprised.

 

Back to topic, at the very least the instructors involved are way out of line, and I don't think they should even be teaching.

As I've stated before, I don't believe that the teacher should be fired. He may have been out of line, but there are far worse things he could have done rather than support a political ideal.

[GarfieldJL]

So, because they support Obama, Obama automatically supports them? That's not very good logic. It's like saying the people support the oil companies. Do the oil companies necessarily support the people?

 

I'm not sure if he supports them or not but if it were me and it were people supporting me I'd honestly be publically calling for them to be fired.

 

Facts can be skewed, as I'm sure you've seen. As for the Teacher's Union supporting Obama, I'd ask for a source, but I'd bet that what you say is true. Based on the past eight years of Republican leadership, I'm not surprised.

 

Most unions support the Democrat Party, particularly the teachers unions.

 

As I've stated before, I don't believe that the teacher should be fired. He may have been out of line, but there are far worse things he could have done rather than support a political ideal.

 

You mean aside from violating Federal Law, he's an authority figure abusing his power in a way that is inexcusable. He needs to be fired.

[Rogue Nine]

Considering these are youth groups for Obama, it ties to Barack Obama, I'm not going to lie about who these groups are supporting.

Yeah, I'm not asking you to lie. But the fact of the matter is that you're taking every opportunity to smear Obama with slanted stories.

 

Rouge Nine

It's Rogue Nine, thanks.

 

they are supporting Barack Obama, I'm not going to lie and say they're supporting John McCain. I'm simply giving the facts, I'm not sure if it is tied to Senator Obama or not and I'm going to look in on it

Not tied to Senator Obama, but you clearly left that part out. You didn't give all the relevant facts. Gee, this is a FoxNews tactic, hmmm...

 

but the Teachers Unions are generally endorsing Senator Obama.

See Litofsky's post.

 

You asked me for a source, I answered.

Not one that I can readily read. And I'd hardly call Hannity and Colmes a reputable source of unskewed information.

 

Back to topic, at the very least the instructors involved are way out of line, and I don't think they should even be teaching.

I don't think any of those kids were coerced into attending these youth groups. Caring about politics seems like an odd activity for an eight-grader anyway. So you can't really say he's abusing his power as a teacher over these kids. Yeah, he was probably taking money from the school to support the group and that shouldn't be the case, but he's certainly not indoctrinating them with beliefs they don't already have.

[GarfieldJL]

Yeah, I'm not asking you to lie. But the fact of the matter is that you're taking every opportunity to smear Obama with slanted stories.

 

No, I'm just vetting him which the mainstream media hasn't done.

 

 

Not tied to Senator Obama, but you clearly left that part out. You didn't give all the relevant facts. Gee, this is a FoxNews tactic, hmmm...

 

Not sure one way or the other, and Fox News isn't the one saying the Obama campaign is tied to this, but there is a pretty major pattern here. Be honest, if this were a group for John McCain you'd be calling for McCain's head.

 

Not one that I can readily read. And I'd hardly call Hannity and Colmes a reputable source of unskewed information.

 

I have yet to see you post a legitimate source (or at least one that most conservatives would consider legitimate). Even Alan has given in to the fact that Sean has brought up valid information, though he acts as though it isn't a big deal.

 

I don't think any of those kids were coerced into attending these youth groups. Caring about politics seems like an odd activity for an eight-grader anyway. So you can't really say he's abusing his power as a teacher over these kids. Yeah, he was probably taking money from the school to support the group and that shouldn't be the case, but he's certainly not indoctrinating them with beliefs they don't already have.

 

Considering my parents are in education, and their reactions Rogue I'd have to differ with your there, his use of Federal Money like this is a Felony that could result in prison time.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

No, I'm just vetting him which the mainstream media hasn't done.

I haven't seen half the amount of coverage about McCain and his past as I've seen on Obama.

 

Not sure one way or the other, and Fox News isn't the one saying the Obama campaign is tied to this, but there is a pretty major pattern here. Be honest, if this were a group for John McCain you'd be calling for McCain's head.

Don't try and mirror your response onto everyone else.

 

I have yet to see you post a legitimate source (or at least one that most conservatives would consider legitimate). Even Alan has given in to the fact that Sean has brought up valid information, though he acts as though it isn't a big deal.

A convenient way to get out of being wrong.

[Rogue Nine]

No, I'm just vetting him which the mainstream media hasn't done.

Smearing him as a terrorist, saying he's some how complicit in the Obama Youth rally thing # vetting. It is political smear.

 

Not sure one way or the other, and Fox News isn't the one saying the Obama campaign is tied to this, but there is a pretty major pattern here.

The fact remains you left out the fact that Obama clearly does not endorse this. Why? Because you want to make him look bad. You skewed the facts to make it fit your purposes. Do you deny this?

 

Be honest, if this were a group for John McCain you'd be calling for McCain's head.

No, I wouldn't. What people choose to believe and do on their own time is no concern of mine, especially if it is not endorsed by a candidate.

 

I have yet to see you post a legitimate source (or at least one that most conservatives would consider legitimate).

I'm not the one making ridiculous claims. I'm merely responding to your points as I interpret them, so I don't really need sources. If I were to make a generalized statement on factual matters, I would do my best to include a non-biased source.

 

Even Alan has given in to the fact that Sean has brought up valid information, though he acts as though it isn't a big deal.

I'm hereby ignoring any further references you make to Hannity as they are not relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

Considering my parents are in education, and their reactions Rogue I'd have to differ with your there, his use of Federal Money like this is a Felony that could result in prison time.

Well, that's fine if the federal laws see it that way. But the fact of the matter is he was not told to do it by Obama.

[Astor]

Smearing him as a terrorist, saying he's some how complicit in the Obama Youth rally thing # vetting. It is political smear.[/Quote]

 

That, and the fact that he's also accused Obama of being a Terrorist. (Don't try to wriggle your way out of that - Guilt by Participation you posted in another thread)

 

And now, you're saying that he's got a Hitler style cult following him around?

[EnderWiggin]

No, I'm just vetting him which the mainstream media hasn't done.

 

 

Oh, well then. I didn't realize that the United States was relying on you to "vet" Obama.

 

_EW_

[Ztalker]

Maybe this sounds hard, but:

 

America has the most ludicrous system of voting for their leader in the world.

If you want to be a president:

-appear on as much cool talk shows as possible.

-do funky stuff (dancing at Elen Degeneres will help)

-talk like you know what you are doing

-let the advisers make all the decisions while you go on vacation

 

Seriously. Not to say we have it any better here, but we vote for a political party over here. Their ideals, their history, their speeches. Not how many times they appeared on talkshow X or Y.

Plus, our 'leader' will actually live under the people. And their salary is set on (I believe) 80.000 euro's. What a good businessman would get.

 

With all the respect, how can you take America seriously this way? They potentially vote for the 'world leader' but in a way that makes all other people smack their head in frustration. Bush can go stand-up if he wanted after this. All puppets on strings.

[Achilles]

^^^^

You're 1) generalizing and 2) confusing the "the system" and how it is used. Yes, some people do make their decision this way, however that doesn't mean that is how our system works or even that a statistically significant percentage of registered voters follow this practice. It's like criticizing how lousy a particular rock is at driving nails when the reality is that it was never intended to be used for that purpose anyway.

 

If you would like to point out where any of the above steps for election appear in our Constitution I'll gladly stand corrected.

[GarfieldJL]

Oh, well then. I didn't realize that the United States was relying on you to "vet" Obama.

 

_EW_

 

I shouldn't have to be but the "mainstream" media isn't doing their job.

[Astor]

I shouldn't have to be but the "mainstream" media isn't doing their job.

 

In whose opinion?

[GarfieldJL]

In whose opinion?

 

Most conservatives for starters. At least that's what polls have shown for a long while.

[Astor]

Most conservatives for starters.[/Quote]

 

Oh, of course.

[Web Rider]

Most conservatives for starters. At least that's what polls have shown for a long while.

 

So, just to be sure, the other, not-conservative half of America does not think this. Just clarifying that ya kno, the "liberal media" isn't actually biased at all, and some people just are upset that it's not pandering to them.

[Arcesious]

I don't see what's wrong with informing students of things... At my school they have a pro-environmentalist slideshow movie running on a small TV in the main courtyard of the school, talking about how it would help if simply one out of 5 people recycled things more often...

 

I don't see what's wrong with giving kids the facts- kids can have an effect on the election by volunteering to help with a campaign if they can't vote.

 

But giving kids mindless propaganda is bad.

[Astor]

Also, with today's society, and a world of information at anybodies fingertips, i'd much rather have children learn this stuff in stages, in a controlled environment, as opposed to say, stumbling onto a website that could potentially pose all sorts of questions for a toddler, child or young adult.

[jrrtoken]

"Daddy, what's a MILF?" >_>

[GarfieldJL]

Also, with today's society, and a world of information at anybodies fingertips, i'd much rather have children learn this stuff in stages, in a controlled environment, as opposed to say, stumbling onto a website that could potentially pose all sorts of questions for a toddler, child or young adult.

 

This is why parents need to be more responsible these days, again though you're not addressing the fact that teachers are abusing their authority positions to indoctrinate children for a radical political ideaology.

 

So, just to be sure, the other, not-conservative half of America does not think this. Just clarifying that ya kno, the "liberal media" isn't actually biased at all, and some people just are upset that it's not pandering to them.

 

That explains the CBS Debacle of 2004 (ie memogate), the New York Times debacle of 2008, the MSNBC debacle during the conventions this year etc., all of which were targetting conservatives, and/or trying to paint liberals as good. Nevermind the fact all three are examples of rampant bias.

[Astor]

This is why parents need to be more responsible these days, again though you're not addressing the fact that teachers are abusing their authority positions to indoctrinate children for a radical political ideaology.[/Quote]

 

Or is just that it isn't the right indoctrination?

[jrrtoken]

This is why parents need to be more responsible these days, again though you're not addressing the fact that teachers are abusing their authority positions to indoctrinate children for a radical political ideaology.

If you want to accuse teachers of brainwashing kids with "radical political ideology", then you might as accuse the parents. After all, we've been brainwashed since birth.

 

That explains the CBS Debacle of 2004 (ie memogate), the New York Times debacle of 2008, the MSNBC debacle during the conventions this year etc., all of which were targetting conservatives, and/or trying to paint liberals as good. Nevermind the fact all three are examples of rampant bias.

Prove it. All that you've given us are simply statements of your own opinion.

 

Basically, all that you have told is in this thread and in this forum is that liberals are hell spawn and that conservatives are our golden saviors, and you've done so by presenting "facts", which are really just opinions dressed up as the truth.