Voter Fraud In Swing States

[GarfieldJL]

Okay as some of you know there are at least 10 states where investigations of voter fraud are taking place. The FBI is now involved, and there has been particularly a lot of stuff going on in Ohio.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,431525,00.html

 

 

Now a Federal Judge has ruled against the Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in Ohio, and not a moment too soon, because if she had managed to sit on these for seven more days they would have been opened and there would have been no way to figure out which votes were fraudulent and which weren't.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7207

http://www.wgntv.com/landing_election_news/?Judge-orders-Ohio-secretary-of-state-to-=1&blockID=91214&feedID=21

 

I'm going to go out of my way and state that in my opinion based on the information I've discovered thus far and say that it looks like she was involved in trying to cover up the fact that voter fraud was taking place.

 

It isn't just limited to Ohio though, in Nevada, the FBI has gotten involved and at the request of the Secretary of State there whom is honest, which is rare among Democrats these days on the Federal and State Level. The FBI is also investigating voter fraud in Missouri.

 

Furthermore, this has spilled into other states as well (including the state I call home), and all the voter fraud revolves around a key group that Senator Obama is now denying ever working for them and had paid them $800,000 in a get-out-the vote drive. That group is ACORN.

 

I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm very angry that this was taking place.

 

AP:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNf_-bBZls_mvLIRCFJtlkMM3mhAD93MIVPO1

What the AP isn't saying is there are ballots being turned over to the FBI in Missouri.

[El Sitherino]

First off, they've been discussing this on every 24 hour news station.

 

Secondly I think everyone is upset about this, and it's not just ACORN that has been found to be linked to voter fraud. There have however been thousands of submissions filed by ACORN that are fraudulent.

 

 

Lastly, Senator Obama has not disconnected himself from ACORN he has stated that he at one time defended them when he was an attorney in Illinois. You can vilify a man for doing his job.

[GarfieldJL]

First off, they've been discussing this on every 24 hour news station.

 

Fox News was bringing this up several days ago and the others are only just now jumping on this.

 

Secondly I think everyone is upset about this, and it's not just ACORN that has been found to be linked to voter fraud. There have however been thousands of submissions filed by ACORN that are fraudulent.

 

A lot of the groups are subsidiaries of ACORN believe it or not which has somehow managed to get government money.

 

Lastly, Senator Obama has not disconnected himself from ACORN he has stated that he at one time defended them when he was an attorney in Illinois. You can vilify a man for doing his job.

 

No he's only denied training their people among other things. Also there is such thing as following the money, since he paid them $800,000 dollars.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

[El Sitherino]

Fox News was bringing this up several days ago and the others are only just now jumping on this.

Not really.

 

 

A lot of the groups are subsidiaries of ACORN believe it or not which has somehow managed to get government money.

Okay, so have a lot of conservative groups. I hardly see a correlation between the Democratic party and voter fraud.

 

 

No he's only denied training their people among other things.

Evidence of this? From what I've seen it's been pretty well established that he's been connected with ACORN in his past and has made no attempts to deny it. He may not give the issue as much time as you think, but that doesn't mean he's denied any connection.

 

Also there is such thing as following the money, since he paid them $800,000 dollars.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

 

His campaign has given $800,000 dollars to a group that is in charge of get out the vote campaigns. Simply because a person in the RNC states there's something more to it doesn't make it so. I understand that it's very questionable, however that doesn't mean he [Obama] is in fact responsible for the actions of ACORN.

 

I think there is an issue with people look into things far more than they should, on both sides. After all we can bring up the scandals surrounding McCain and Palin both as far as corruption and mis-deeds go.

[GarfieldJL]

Not really.

 

Okay they are now covering it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html

 

However, they seem not to be reporting that the FBI is investigating.

 

 

Okay, so have a lot of conservative groups. I hardly see a correlation between the Democratic party and voter fraud.

 

ACORN is a radical left-wing group, they are not conservatives, they are associated with the Democrat Party.

 

Evidence of this? From what I've seen it's been pretty well established that he's been connected with ACORN in his past and has made no attempts to deny it. He may not give the issue as much time as you think, but that doesn't mean he's denied any connection.

 

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor

 

They are paid for by the Obama Campaign but is contradicted by:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

 

Also reporting his connection and an attempt to cover it up:

While Barack Obama's connection with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has not gone entirely unreported, it has not been fully explained. Most media background pieces simply note Obama's involvement in a 1995 lawsuit on behalf of ACORN. Obama's own website, as well as most major media, fail to reveal the full depth and extent of his relationship with the organization.

 

Attempts to hide evidence of Obama's involvement with ACORN have included wiping the web clean of potentially damaging articles that had appeared, and were previously publicly accessible. Unfortunately, those behind the attempted cover-up failed to realize that in today's day and age, nothing disappears forever. There also exists another layer of the web, the hidden web, which is full of information included in proprietary scholarly databases where these very same "missing" articles can be easily uncovered.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203

 

His campaign has given $800,000 dollars to a group that is in charge of get out the vote campaigns. Simply because a person in the RNC states there's something more to it doesn't make it so. I understand that it's very questionable, however that doesn't mean he [Obama] is in fact responsible for the actions of ACORN.

 

Then why is the FBI getting involved if there is nothing there?

http://newmexicoindependent.com/4239/fbi-probing-1400-voter-registration-forms

 

I think there is an issue with people look into things far more than they should, on both sides. After all we can bring up the scandals surrounding McCain and Palin both as far as corruption and mis-deeds go.

 

Uh huh, McCain and Palin aren't funding a group that is committing out and out voter fraud, if they were the Mainstream media would be all over it.

[El Sitherino]

Okay they are now covering it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/index.html

 

However, they seem not to be reporting that the FBI is investigating.

Why do they need to state the FBI is investigating it?

 

I think everyone is well aware federal investigations are handled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 

ACORN is a radical left-wing group, they are not conservatives, they are associated with the Democrat Party.

I never said any different. I said that there are also conservative groups out there that have committd similar acts.

 

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor

 

They are paid for by the Obama Campaign but is contradicted by:

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

You know, I read that and it's true Obama never trained ACORN, he was invited to. He also was director of Project Vote in 1992 which had volunteer work done by ACORN within the community of Chicago, there was no direct collaboration and any attempts to say so are a stretch of the truth. I read all through Mr. Kurtz's claims and it's all rather skeptical I agree, however there is no direct connection.

 

 

Then why is the FBI getting involved if there is nothing there?

I wasn't aware the FBI was investigating Barack Obama, care to provide a source?

 

 

Uh huh, McCain and Palin aren't funding a group that is committing out and out voter fraud, if they were the Mainstream media would be all over it.

Neither is Barack Obama.

 

Also you still need to learn that Fox News is the mainstream media.

[GarfieldJL]

Why do they need to state the FBI is investigating it?

 

Cause it shows that the Republicans accusation has merit.

 

I think everyone is well aware federal investigations are handled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 

They are now, but the way it has been presented thus far is that it is Republican scare tactics when that is not the case cause it is actually taking place.

 

I never said any different. I said that there are also conservative groups out there that have committd similar acts.

 

Oh really, name 1 conservative organization that has been involved in committing voter fraud in the 2008 election. I sincerely doubt you could name even 1 where there is even a remote case against a Conservative group it would be all over the news media.

 

You know, I read that and it's true Obama never trained ACORN, he was invited to. He also was director of Project Vote in 1992 which had volunteer work done by ACORN within the community of Chicago, there was no direct collaboration and any attempts to say so are a stretch of the truth. I read all through Mr. Kurtz's claims and it's all rather skeptical I agree, however there is no direct connection.

 

I don't consider using a site funded directly by the Obama campaign to be a valid source, and what I'm pointed out is that I've tracked down enough information to show that Obama trained members of that organization. Furthermore, if he had no connection to them, why was he funnelling money to them.

 

I wasn't aware the FBI was investigating Barack Obama, care to provide a source?

 

I'm not saying they are investigating him yet, but odds are they are about to given the $800,000 contribution to ACORN for voter-registration drives.

 

Neither is Barack Obama.

 

Uh huh, then why did he pay them $800,000?

 

Also you still need to learn that Fox News is the mainstream media.

 

The term "Mainstream Media" refers to the liberal press which Fox News is not a part of.

[El Sitherino]

The term "Mainstream Media" refers to the liberal press which Fox News is not a part of.

You apparently aren't aware of what the word "mainstream" means.

[GarfieldJL]

You apparently aren't aware of what the word "mainstream" means.

 

I know what mainstream means, I'm also aware of how it is used as far as the media is concerned.

 

Also I think the people over at Fox News would feel insulted being thrown in with the likes of MSNBC.

 

 

Oh and there is an investigation involving Obama:

http://bartonbulletin.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/fec-investigates-illegal-contributions-to-obama/

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/acornproject_vote_voting_drive.html

http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/09/obama-and-acorn-is-there-a-problem-voter-registration-fraud/

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/acorn-commits-fraud-in-michigan/

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73335

http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21171537/fraud_fears.htm?q=ACORN+Voter+Fraud

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usobam025598601mar02,1,6933215,full.story

 

 

And then from Obama's own website:

When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGC7zm

[ForeverNight]

When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, "I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”.

 

Source

 

That goes directly against what is said on Fight the Smears.

Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.[/Quote]

 

Source

 

Which do we believe? On his own websites, which are supposed to be devoted to the truth, there's a glaring contradiction!

[El Sitherino]

Acorn was not a part of Project Vote, they did however participate in it.

[Yar-El]

Article: Parties wage war over voter fraud, intimidation

Subheadline: Democrats see vote suppression, McCain alleges fraud by Obama ally

 

Republicans allege Democrats and their allies are trying to subvert the voter registration system, and perhaps the election itself, with an avalanche of inaccurate or fraudulent new voter registrations.

I want to know the outcome of this problem. We should take care of this fast.

 

But Democrats charge Republicans are trying to deter would-be voters by discouraging registrations and by requiring voters to identify themselves, in some cases with state-issued photo identification such as a driver’s license.

Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...

 

Nevada raid on ACORN

In Las Vegas, investigators from the office of Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, served a search warrant Tuesday on the ACORN office, as part of an investigation into allegations of voter registration fraud. Miller’s agents seized computer hard drives and boxes of documents.

I guess there is some truth to the ACORN issue.

 

Article #2: Mo. officials suspect fake voter registration

Advocacy group scrutinized for hundreds of questionable, duplicate forms

 

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate.

 

"It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely."

 

On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.

[SW01]

Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...

 

I agree with that - it just makes sense that you show that you are who you claim to be when you go to vote. That it should be possible to walk into a polling centre and claim to be someone without valid proof of identity seems absurd.

[Achilles]

Cause it shows that the Republicans accusation has merit.

No it doesn't. All it means is that they received a complaint and are now investigating it (this is aka "doing their jobs"). If they find anything, then that will mean that the Republican accusations have merit.

 

This is like saying that police responding to a bomb threat means that there really is a bomb.

[KinchyB]

Also I think the people over at Fox News would feel insulted being thrown in with the likes of MSNBC.

 

I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read this. Pot calling the kettle black. BAD POT!

 

This is also a nice little gem...

 

Oh really, name 1 conservative organization that has been involved in committing voter fraud in the 2008 election.

 

How about we start naming any conservative, liberal, or any other organization that has ever been involved in "voter fraud"...? Why are we only focusing on the last year or so...?

 

Plus let's face it...McCain doesn't stand a chance so this is mostly irrelevant. That's why we are starting to see a lot of finger pointing such as this, and you won't see a lot from the Dems as they aren't worried about it. Negativity in this election only breeds contempt and the election is theirs to lose.

[Inyri]

Whats wrong with that? I think that would be a great idea. Having people show a U. S. form of identification would allow us to secure the integrity of a election. Birth certificates, I.D., Licences, Green Cards, etc...

Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot.

[SW01]

Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot.

 

Thought so - voting without ID seemed like a strange idea...

[El Sitherino]

Yeah I was just thinking about it, if Texas was like the only state that made you verify your identity then something is seriously wrong with the state of the nation.

[Yar-El]

Have you ever actually voted for something? Real hard to go in and get a ballot without showing ID. The election judges usually have a problem with you not identifying yourself and then snatching up a ballot.

This is my first election.

[Inyri]

I'm not surprised. Best not to make assumptions about the election process if you've never experienced it.

[GarfieldJL]

Yeah I was just thinking about it, if Texas was like the only state that made you verify your identity then something is seriously wrong with the state of the nation.

 

Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.

[El Sitherino]

Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.

 

That may be and what they do may be disgusting abuse, but it's not like it'll weight the election. I doubt anyone will give a ballot to someone trying to be registered as Kermit the Frog.

[KinchyB]

Indiana requires it, however ACORN specializes in voter fraud.

 

Hmmm...is a comment about sensationalist forum posting considered snarky....?

 

Point of clarity...there was "registration fraud" technically speaking, not voter fraud. Also, Achilles was kind enough to post a reply in another thread that mentioned this topic (we have 2 threads going at the moment i think) that could help shed some light on the issue. If you are willing to look at more than what is presented by the media it could be an informative read.

[Jae Onasi]

That may be and what they do may be disgusting abuse, but it's not like it'll weight the election. I doubt anyone will give a ballot to someone trying to be registered as Kermit the Frog.

 

They don't have to. Kermit registers and asks for an absentee ballot, then sends it in. It's thrown into a computer along with the thousands of others, and counted, never really looked at by anyone because they're processing too many votes to pay attention.

[El Sitherino]

What is the application process for obtaining an absentee ballot?

 

Ohio law provides separate application processes for different classifications of absentee voters (militia, armed services, overseas, etc.). In all cases, absentee ballots must be applied for in writing. If you are properly registered to vote, you must submit your written request to the board of elections of the county in which your voting residence is located. Your request must contain certain information (described in the following sections) and your original signature.

 

# Your name;

# Your signature;

# The address at which you are registered to vote;

# Your date of birth;

# One of the following items showing proof of your identification:

 

1. Your Ohio driver's license number; or

2. The last four digits of your Social Security number; or

3. A copy of your current and valid photo identification, military identification; or a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and current address (including from a public college or university).

 

Seems most of the states that have absentee ballots have same, if not harsher, regulations these days.

 

So basically without current and valid identification it's near improbable to commit voter fraud. They've been cracking down after previous concerns of voter fraud.