Boston Tea Parties springing up all over country Mainstream Media ignores

[Tyrion]

For instance, with the exception of Fox News and CNN, no major television outlet has covered even one of these events except the original proposed by Santelli on February 19.

 

Fwah? So the entire mainstream media shamelessly ignores these events, as long as you exclude the two most mainstream channels, CNN and Fox News?

[GarfieldJL]

Perhaps not. They are, after all, conservative bloggers. Cognitive function and all....

 

I thought your source was referring to the thing in Ohio, and as far as cognitive functions are concerned, Liberals aren't any smarter than Conservatives.

 

Oh, and one legitimate news source (as opposed to the hate-mongering blogs you cited).

 

Quit using the DNC's talking points, calling anyone that disagrees with you a hate-monger. Seriously, there is a difference between protesting policy and hate-mongering...

 

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boise/story/682547.html

 

Do you know how cold it gets in Idaho, Montana, Colorado etc.?

[mur'phon]

Keynes proposed the theory of deficit spending to get out of a depression. Those principles were put into effect by FDR, and they worked, although WWII pretty much sealed the deal.

 

While I think his efforts before WW2 was so so, and not a terribly good advertisement for Keynes theories, WW2 in itself is a wonderfull (though unfourtantely one of few) examples of Keynesian policies put to work.

 

Pfft, same thing.

 

Only in America:D

 

Do you know how cold it gets in Idaho, Montana, Colorado etc.?

 

Yes, not terribly cold, if that's enough to keep yanks indoors, it seems it doesen't matter that much to people in those areas.

[GarfieldJL]

While I think his efforts before WW2 was so so' date=' and not a terribly good advertisement for Keynes theories, WW2 in itself is a wonderfull (though unfourtantely one of few) examples of Keynesian policies put to work.[/quote']

 

More of the only reason we got out of the Depression was World War II.

 

 

 

Yes' date=' not terribly cold, if that's enough to keep yanks indoors, it seems it doesen't matter [b']that[/b] much to people in those areas.

 

Have you ever been to those states in the summer, it gets to be cold sometimes in the Summer, now imagine in the winter what those states are like. Furthermore Idaho doesn't exactly have much in the way of population density.

[mur'phon]

More of the only reason we got out of the Depression was World War II.

 

Which is incidentally an example of Keynesian theories in practice. The extreme spending by the state to support the war effort increased demand by a lot, which made unemployment go away.

 

Have you ever been to those states in the summer, it gets to be cold sometimes in the Summer, now imagine in the winter what those states are like.

 

No, however, this is where I live, and we haven't had much problems protesting in winter.

[GarfieldJL]

Which is incidentally an example of Keynesian theories in practice. The extreme spending by the state to support the war effort increased demand by a lot' date=' which made unemployment go away.[/quote']

 

Which is not what Obama is doing, he's calling for Government spending that is on nothing but Pork Projects, and is cutting funding to the military.

 

 

No, however, this is where I live, and we haven't had much problems protesting in winter.

 

Okay, however the thing is Conservatives usually aren't the ones out protesting normally we see move.org or ACORN organizing protests on the Left.

[SkinWalker]

Quit using the DNC's talking points, calling anyone that disagrees with you a hate-monger.

 

I arrived at that term on my own. Nor do I watch or read the news to pick up on it elsewhere. I only had to read the links you provided and the hate-mongering and fear-mongering are obvious. Its no wonder others use it.

 

 

Do you know how cold it gets in Idaho, Montana, Colorado etc.?

 

Yes. It was 41 degrees Fahrenheit on February 27, 2009 in Boise, ID according to the National Weather Service. Unusually warm. Previous records were set in 1992 at 49 degrees. Perhaps it was such a nice day, no one wanted to waste it on a protest?

 

It is hilarious, however, that first you start with the assumption that they can't count, now your making excuses that they're too afraid of the cold.... You're nothing if not consistent Garf. Rather than admit any failing or <gasp > being wrong, you'll find an excuse instead.

[ET Warrior]

Do you know how cold it gets in Idaho, Montana, Colorado etc.?

I actually live in Colorado. Right by the mountains. Just because winter seems awfully frigid to you does not mean it does to us. We're pretty used to it. Unless the temp drops below 0 degrees Fahrenheit most Coloradans have no issue being outside. (We have coats!)

 

Edit -

It was 41 degrees Fahrenheit on February 27, 2009 in Boise, ID according to the National Weather Service.

That's warm enough for short sleeves and maybe a light jacket (if it's windy)

[mur'phon]

Which is not what Obama is doing, he's calling for Government spending that is on nothing but Pork Projects, and is cutting funding to the military.

 

Demand is demand, while I dislike pork projects, last time I checked the stimulus bill contained less than 5% earmarks (that nice, prime, pork hiding place). Regardless, I would like you to please do me the favor of reading about Keynesian economics, as it would make the discussion far smoother.

 

Okay, however the thing is Conservatives usually aren't the ones out protesting normally we see move.org or ACORN organizing protests on the Left.

 

And? it is not as if protesting is rocket science, get the word out, gather people with a purpose, make a mess.

[GarfieldJL]

I arrived at that term on my own. Nor do I watch or read the news to pick up on it elsewhere. I only had to read the links you provided and the hate-mongering and fear-mongering are obvious. Its no wonder others use it.

 

Funny, because some of what you've been saying is practically identical to things from Rulebook for Radicals.

 

 

 

Yes. It was 41 degrees Fahrenheit on February 27, 2009 in Boise, ID according to the National Weather Service. Unusually warm. Previous records were set in 1992 at 49 degrees. Perhaps it was such a nice day, no one wanted to waste it on a protest?

 

Conservatives usually aren't the ones out protesting over every little thing, so quite frankly we don't have experience in coordinating a protest, furthermore do you know the population density in Idaho, considering I've been out west, some of the towns have less than 40 people total.

 

It is hilarious, however, that first you start with the assumption that they can't count, now your making excuses that they're too afraid of the cold.... You're nothing if not consistent Garf. Rather than admit any failing or <gasp > being wrong, you'll find an excuse instead.

 

It's called you not giving a source so I can look at it, I was expecting your source to be the Huffington Post.

 

Maybe you want to give all your money to someone who doesn't pay taxes, maybe you want to pile on trillions of dollars in debt on your children and grandchildren, but seriously I don't. The economic crisis was caused by debt, and adding in more debt is going to make the situation worse, not better.

[mur'phon]

Maybe you want to give all your money to someone who doesn't pay taxes,

 

Nope, then again, no onedoes that unwillingly, I am however perfectly fine with paying part of my wage to such persons in order to keep the small store they buy food from in business. Money doesen't disapear, the money spent on wellfare will be spent by those recieving it on buying food, shelter etc which again employs people, this is why increased spending on wellfare during recessions is paradoxally enough good for saving jobs.

 

Anyway, if I am to reply to your posts concerning Keynesian economics (i.e any which talks about spending), I would like you to confirm that you have read about Keynesian economics

[GarfieldJL]

Nope' date=' then again, [b']no one[/b]does that unwillingly, I am however perfectly fine with paying part of my wage to such persons in order to keep the small store they buy food from in business. Money doesen't disapear, the money spent on wellfare will be spent by those recieving it on buying food, shelter etc which again employs people, this is why increased spending on wellfare during recessions is paradoxally enough good for saving jobs.

 

But it isn't even being spent on stuff like that, nor is it being used for job training. Not sure did the birth control measure get thrown out of the stimulus bill in the end or not? That was one of the items I can think of off the top of my head.

 

Anyway, if I am to reply to your posts concerning Keynesian economics (i.e any which talks about spending), I would like you to confirm that you have read about Keynesian economics

 

I know some of the basics of Keynesian Economics, but I'm looking at things from a historical standpoint, if as you say Keynesian Economics was pre-World War II, we didn't get out of the Great Depression until we finally were in the war, because we were just digging a hole deeper and deeper hoping to get out of said hole.

[ET Warrior]

so quite frankly we don't have experience in coordinating a protest

That's a pretty ridiculous excuse to hide behind, and just makes it sound like you're asserting that conservatives don't have any organizational or leadership skills. (Which I am going to assume is not your intent).

considering I've been out west, some of the towns have less than 40 people total.

Boise Idaho is not one of said small towns. Boise Idaho has a population of around 125,000 people. Your point is completely irrelevant.

[GarfieldJL]

That's a pretty ridiculous excuse to hide behind, and just makes it sound like you're asserting that conservatives don't have any organizational or leadership skills. (Which I am going to assume is not your intent).

 

We do have leadership skills, just we're not as apt to break off from our studies or work and start a huge protest march, plus the fact is that these aren't being organized. If it was an anti-war protest group you can bet CODE PINK or MOVEON.org would be behind it. These groups on the other hand are really grass-roots, these are people that have had it, they aren't being spurred on or coordinated by Conservative Groups.

 

Boise Idaho is not one of said small towns. Boise Idaho has a population of around 125,000 people. Your point is completely irrelevant.

 

At what times of the year? It tends to vary depending on the time of year. Fact is though these are true grass-roots movements, they aren't being funded by Soros and his ilk like we see with the Left-Wing groups.

[mur'phon]

But it isn't even being spent on stuff like that, nor is it being used for job training.

 

Money spent is money spent, while I'd prefer it being used for things like (sensible) infrastructure, even a bridge to nowhere provides work for those building the bridge, as well as to those making the concrete and other materials, keeping them of wellfare. I don't support such spending, however, it isn't as disastrous as it is during good times.

 

I know some of the basics of Keynesian Economics, but I'm looking at things from a historical standpoint, if as you say Keynesian Economics was pre-World War II, we didn't get out of the Great Depression until we finally were in the war, because we were just digging a hole deeper and deeper hoping to get out of said hole.

 

No, the principles of Keynesian economics have been tested from the dawn of civilization till today. Unless you can argue that WW2 "solved" for some other reason than that demand surged, I don't see your point. WW2 was in many ways essentially a continuation of the policies of before, increase public spending while racking up a debt in order to increase demand in the economy. I will however agree that a lot of the policies leading up to WW2 was terrible/terribly executed.

[GarfieldJL]

Money spent is money spent' date=' while I'd prefer it being used for things like (sensible) infrastructure, even a bridge to nowhere provides work for those building the bridge, as well as to those making the concrete and other materials, keeping them of wellfare. I don't support such spending, however, it isn't as disastrous as it is during good times.[/quote']

 

I fail to see why a bailout is needed for birth control... I also don't see why there needed to be a couple million dollars set aside for a rodent.

 

 

No, the principles of Keynesian economics have been tested from the dawn of civilization till today. Unless you can argue that WW2 "solved" for some other reason than that demand surged, I don't see your point. WW2 was in many ways essentially a continuation of the policies of before, increase public spending while racking up a debt in order to increase demand in the economy. I will however agree that a lot of the policies leading up to WW2 was terrible/terribly executed.

 

Well the Democrats are pretty much just spending money to spend money, and that is stupid. If it was to improve infrastructure, refit aging combat aircraft etc. I would be okay with that, because it needs to be done, but the bulk of the money is going to people's pet projects.

[mur'phon]

I fail to see why a bailout is needed for birth control... I also don't see why there needed to be a couple million dollars set aside for a rodent.

 

It's money spent, in theese cases, it'll mean more work for those working with birth control/conservation, as well as any business involved in whatever those people consume.

 

Well the Democrats are pretty much just spending money to spend money, and that is stupid.

 

Most of the time, I'd agree with you, however a prolonged recession is the one time where I disagree.

 

If it was to improve infrastructure, refit aging combat aircraft etc. I would be okay with that, because it needs to be done, but the bulk of the money is going to people's pet projects.

 

Please show me that this is the case, regardless, money spent (without an equal tax increase) increases demand, and while I would hope most of it is spent decently, any increase in demand at the moment is most velcome.

[EnderWiggin]

At what times of the year? It tends to vary depending on the time of year. Fact is though these are true grass-roots movements, they aren't being funded by Soros and his ilk like we see with the Left-Wing groups.

So we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 25000 people left.

 

Hmm, if 4 came out, and there were 100,000 there, that makes.... 0.00004% of the population

 

_EW_

[jrrtoken]

Hey guys, I hope I see y'all on the 15th. I'm eager to curb stomp some liberal lawmakers and their socialist policies. In case you don't know where your local tea party is being held at, check out the link below.

 

http://taxdayteaparty.com/

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

all the massachusetts ones are in ****ty places like lowell and the airport rotary in hyannis

[Tommycat]

I really hate that this was called a GOP event. Hell people attending in one state BOOED the REPUBLICAN governor for accepting the bailout money. Many people even held up signs saying "First my liberties, now my wallet" which is an obvious reference to the PATRIOT Act. Of course many Republicans siezed on the opportunity, but it wasn't a purely GOP event. What irritates me is how CNN and Yahoo keep calling it that. Republicans aren't the only ones concerned with their cash. Quite frankly there were Conservatives and Liberals alike in attendance at many of these events. Even punkers and cowboys were getting along. At least that's what I saw here in PHX. It was (relatively) small in comparison to other places. I heard my home town of San Antonio, TX had 20,000 according to SAPD(15k according to the newspaper). Rough estimates put total attendance at about 500k nation wide. Not bad for a work day.

[ET Warrior]

Rough estimates put total attendance at about 500k nation wide. Not bad for a work day.

So...maybe a little more than one percent of the total US population? Color me unimpressed.

[Rake]

I can't get over the irony on how these "teabag" parties were protesting a 3% tax increase to what... like 5% of the population, where as the other 95% gets tax cuts? It amazes me how the republican party continually gets people to blindly follow things like this.

[Achilles]

My own personal bias: I bet that if you surveyed every person who attended these events, not very many of them would be able to articulate why they were there. I guess "Rush Limbaugh sent me" doesn't seem as glamorous as "I'm fightin' the commies!".

[RoxStar]

 

I'm all for Freedom of Speech but this is just appalling.