Totenkopf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Jimmy Carter doing his part to muddy the political waters. He should just stick to building houses. (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) That quip about Dowd was classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'm pretty sure it's clear to those who actually listen that Carter is speaking about those with the "Go back to Africa" signs and shirts with pictures of monkey's that say "Obama '08" As well as these birthers and people complaining about muslims invading our government and country. Which is racist. Notice how he didn't say "All opposition" but rather "intensely demonstrated portion". I'd say intense supplies the context of what it is he's speaking about, but I happen to enjoy words so it may just be me having been in English Lit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 Were it only that straightforward. While there's racism and bigotry in the US and throughout the world, his is just another voice lent to the choir that's stipulating that opposition to BO (there was a lot of "intense" opposition of varying sorts and he wasn't specific as to what he was referring to, hence both of us being able to draw different conclusions about what he means) is primarily rooted in his skin color and not honest disagreement on policy issues. I applaud BO for at least not trying to wade into this one other to to say he doesn't share Carter's pov. I guess the Cambridge incident reinforced for him how fraught w/acrimony allegations of racism are in even modern day society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 a simple case of political protesting carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Were it only that straightforward. He specifically says "the intense" which does not include all but rather narrows it down to specifically those who are extremely aggressive in their message. Consider now for a moment who the aggressive protesters are and you'll see that your argument is just crying for attention. No offense, but that's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 As someone who's studied English, you no doubt appreciate how flexible a tool of communication it is. He didn't identify specifically who he believed the intense people were, leaving us with wiggle room to make our own inferences. Naturally, you're as free to read in to his comments as you wish. That's just an undeniable fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Nobody cares what Carter says. He's about as informed on the facts as Kanye. There is some foundation of protesting against President Obama based in racism. There is some that's based on his policies. There is some that's just random uneducated morons who just be their moron selves. Not all opposition to Obama is racism, or based in it. But you go around some parts of the country and meet the protectors, and there's no way you can argue that NONE of it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 18, 2009 Author Share Posted September 18, 2009 ..and there's no way you can argue that NONE of it is. post#3 ..While there's racism and bigotry in the US.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-varmint Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Since the specter of Carter has been invoked, I feel it necessary to balance the blemish to the good citizens of GA with a reference to Herman Cain. I would support Herman for President, and I wonder how Carter would react to the vitriol from the leftists that would be heaped upon this non-Caucasian politician. I am also going on record as a "wordist finatic" here. The word Racism used to be, and should be, a word that carries a specific and significant meaning. Sadly, this is not the case these days. The term is consistently misused in our society to describe bigotry, prejudice, or the mere criticism of any actions of an individual of some other ethnic heritage. When people misuse words like this one, they dilute the meaning of the word. Having grown up in the Southeast, I have run across actual racists. These are people who believe that their race is inherently superior to some other race, and is therefore entitled to dominate and subjugate said other race. Not all of these individuals were caucasian, I might add. Effective communication is an important key to an effective society, so let's call Bigots Bigots and save "Racist" for those who truly deserve the term. This, by the way, is a general observation, and is not meant as a snipe against any particular LF member(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten-96 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I've been away for a bit but I wanted to add: I was in D.C. on Saturday 9-12 with my wife and son. There were no signs that read: "Bury Obama with Kennedy." The signs read: "Bury Obamacare with Kennedy." That is quite the difference and as you may imagine, not nearly as imflammatory for the liberals as the first. Being a black man, I have had it up to my eyebrows with these false/fake/holier-than-thou claims from Carter, Pelosi, etc... about racism. Is there racism in America? Sure. Is it as prevelent as the left would have you believe? Not in my opinion; not even close. I do know that there is racism from both blacks and whites; not just from whites as some would have you to believe. One last thing. Can anyone explain why we refer to blacks in America as "African-American" but we refer to whites as "White Americans"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 because White is used to describe more than one group, and said people come from more than one continent, whereas (Although some may call other groups Black) Black, is generally used to refer to people of African descent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I was in D.C. on Saturday 9-12 with my wife and son. There were no signs that read: "Bury Obama with Kennedy." The signs read: "Bury Obamacare with Kennedy." That is quite the difference and as you may imagine, not nearly as imflammatory for the liberals as the first.That's still an incredibly ******* thing to say, and I should think calling for the death of the President would be inflammatory to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I was in D.C. on Saturday 9-12 with my wife and son. There were no signs that read: "Bury Obama with Kennedy." The signs read: "Bury Obamacare with Kennedy." That is quite the difference and as you may imagine, not nearly as imflammatory for the liberals as the first. That's still an incredibly ******* thing to say, and I should think calling for the death of the President would be inflammatory to anyone. . .. ... I mean, you're right that calling for the death of, really anyone (not just the president), should be inflammatory to anyone... But...The signs didn't say bury Obama? Sorry if I'm a little confused as to what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I mean, you're right that calling for the death of, really anyone (not just the president), should be inflammatory to anyone... But...The signs didn't say bury Obama? Sorry if I'm a little confused as to what you mean. Obamacare, the conservative term for Obama's health care plan, is not the same as Obama. I don't understand why they're being confused. If the signs said "Bury Obamacare", that's very different from advocating the demise of the President. I find it incredibly offensive when the race card is pulled out in attempt to shut down opposition. "Opposition = racism" is just as ridiculous as "agreement = 'not racist'". It shows a blatant disregard for attempting any understanding of why conservatives don't like the proposed health care plan or other Obama policies. Instead of trying to work with Republicans to resolve differences, the Dem leadership (read, Pelosi and Carter) are resorting to the same name-calling tactics that they howled about in the election. Calling someone racist instead of understanding and negotiating is the lazy way out. By the way, it's not about racism, it's about people's pocketbooks. The conservatives are looking at the price tag and saying "I don't want to pay for this big program". I happen to think that the price tag is worth the health care benefits, and the Dems need to do a better job of explaining why instead of calling the opposition 'racists' and 'Nazis'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 @ The American People: WAKE UP! You've been sold an pair of ideologies that are inconsistent by a bunch of people who don't believe in them for the purpose of getting them lots of cash. Furthermore, you are yelling and screaming about issues that THEY manufactured in the first place! All you are doing is advancing their cause by hating your fellow Americans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Obamacare, the conservative term for Obama's health care plan, is not the same as Obama. I don't understand why they're being confused. If the signs said "Bury Obamacare", that's very different from advocating the demise of the President.The sign in question: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Isn't it just tasteless in general to say something like that about Kennedy? I couldn't even criticize Reagan's presidency after he died without being accused of distaste. Anyway, argue all you want about your hurt feelings but the truth is there are a lot of people in opposition to Barack Obama that are basing their intense animosity from racism and promote it through the use of racist material. If you can't see that then you're just as ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 @jmac: Okay, so it was typefont emphasis of the sign itself implying further sentiment. Okay, fine and well. For that specific case I see what you're essentially saying, but don't over generalize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 What's really irresponsible and stupid is the degree to which some people go to cast all or most dissenters of BO as essentially racist. There are racists/bigots of every color in the US, but they are mostly the fringe of society. I'm not surprised that media hacks like Mahr or Garafolo (to name a few) go that route and give BO and his team at least some credit for trying to distance themselves from that kind of dangerous and unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric. Perhaps people like Pelosi should take their own advice about responsible use of language. Given the recent death of Kennedy, that sign was tasteless, but not even remotely racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 What's really irresponsible and stupid is the degree to which some people go to cast all or most dissenters of BO as essentially racist. No one is saying all or most aside from the truly outrageous. Even Jimmy Carter didn't say most opposition, only most of the intense opposition. There are racists/bigots of every color in the US, but they are mostly the fringe of society. I'm certain if you took the time to know me instead of always assume I'm a left-wing nutjob who's out to dispute any claim you'd know I've said this many times, as have most on this forum. I'm not surprised that media hacks like Mahr or Garafolo They're comedians, political comedians. Perhaps people like Pelosi should take their own advice about responsible use of language. We all know Pelosi is an overly emotional and often hormonally reactive witch. Given the recent death of Kennedy, that sign was tasteless, but not even remotely racist. I don't think anyone ever said it was racist. Simply saying some things are racist does not imply people talking about it are saying everything at the protest is racist, that seems to be the biggest misunderstanding here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 No one is saying all or most aside from the truly outrageous. Even Jimmy Carter didn't say most opposition, only most of the intense opposition. Face it, sithy, he's adding fuel to the fire b/c the dems are running ointo a lot of opposition on "public option" healthcare transformation (not reform). His goes in with the rest of the voices on the now fringe, formerly "self-proclaimed" main streamn media, that have sought to villify the other side by trying to tar the opposition w/ a wide brush (militia, nazis, racists, mob, ad nauseam). I'm certain if you took the time to know me instead of always assume I'm a left-wing nutjob who's out to dispute any claim you'd know I've said this many times, as have most on this forum. Frankly, since I've never labeled you as a left-wing nutjob in these forums, you seem to be taking our disagreement on issues rather personally. Besides, I could make the mirror "accusation" of you if you substitute "left-wing" w/"right-wing". Why it's hard for you to accept that we don't agree w/o making it personal is beyond me. They're comedians, political comedians. Ah, they meant nothing they said, it's just for money. kk. Being a "comedian"/social commentator does not mean that like-minded people don't take them seriously and are influenced by their povs. We all know Pelosi is an overly emotional and often hormonally reactive witch. Point being? You and I may have a very low opinion of her, but she's not merely the "often overly emotional and hormonally reactive witch" at the back of the bus or in the street that you merely write off as crazy. That makes it more serious, unfortunatety. I don't think anyone ever said it was racist. Appartently jmac misread it. As to your statement, I rather doubt it (unless you meant no one posting in here has said "bury Obamacare" was racist), but your's is an unprovable statement otherwise. Frankly, it's irrelevant, though, b/c I only observed the sign wasn't remotely racist, not that anyone here said the actual sign was. Simply saying some things are racist does not imply people talking about it are saying everything at the protest is racist, that seems to be the biggest misunderstanding here. Actually, when the bulk of media outlets (who actually support the president) are indiscriminate in their reporting (that is, when they bother at all), it's hard to take seriously the claim that the "racism" accusation is aimed at a small minority of the protesters. We have in a president a man who has publically used irresponsible rhetoric to paint mosaics of a private sector out of control that needs the govt to rein them in to protect us on the healthcare issue b/c it's a centerpiece of his agenda. Frankly, the blind adulation of this man by many people is both puzzling and smacks of cult-of-personality politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Appartently jmac misread it. I was responding to the bit about how "bury Obama" would have been inflammatory to liberals instead of anyone with a shred of decency with that remark. I actually paid pretty close attention to the tea party bull**** on 9/12 for my own amusement and had already seen the sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Mass amounts of anti-Obama supporters ARE racists. I know this first hand as part of my family are completely against him. While they claim it's his political views they don't agree, on countless occasions I have witnessed them call him the N-word while talking about him. (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Even though that video likely killed more than a few of my brain cells, I've got to say, I think that reporter deserves a handshake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM! This is purely the result of two inconsistent ideologies compelling to halves of a nation to view each other as evil. The hatred that the Right has for Obama is equivalent to the hatred that the Left has for Bush. It doesn't matter what either President did or does, it only matters that they represent each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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