JediAthos Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Semper Fi is the shortened version of Semper Fidelis which is latin for always faithful and is the motto of the U.S. Marine Corps. The anniversary of the formation of the USMC along with the other armed forces is remembered in the US as a vital part of our history as well as a thank you to all the men past and present that have served their country. The why in what they do is varied from Marine to Marine just as it was from Sailor to Sailor when I was in the Navy. I don't question why they choose to serve, but I am only thankful that they are there. Without the Marines, the Navy, and the Army my country would not exist as it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I am proud of the military for making life as it is for America, possible. Land of the free *because* of the brave. At one point it was that way, at least. Now it is supposedly debatable I guess. Whatever business I owned, I would give a legit vet a 25% off discount in my store on anything I could afford to give. It's called "service to the country" discount. Anyway regardless of the above <snip> how can anyone be proud of the death of others? It makes me feel sick. It isn't the death of others that makes anyone proud (it *shouldn't* be that way, anyhow). It is attempting to do what is the right thing and most of all to be of service to your country so its people can continue to live as they do. You think people, by and large, join out of bloodlust--like mandalorians? If I ever were to join the military I would do so solely in order to save lives and for humanity's sake in general, not to further someone's political agenda (like most wars) or to mark a territory (like a dog does but more violently). <snip> Since the dawn of humanity, while not all, most military actions are nothing to be proud of IMHO. Humanity has proven capable of the best including the best of the worst... Ideally most all who enroll are of that mind; the reality is that you have little to no actual say in the matter. If you are told to kill someone or to do something that would be even throwing your life away to a needless suicide, an order is an order. That is what turns people off about enrollment. Newsflash: all wars are fueled by political agenda, in one way or another. It is insanely naive to believe you're "defending humanity" or whatever by fighting in X war. That is the most savvy post on military enrollment I have encountered, recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 It isn't the death of others that makes anyone proud (it *shouldn't* be that way, anyhow). It is attempting to do what is the right thing and most of all to be of service to your country so its people can continue to live as they do. I was referring to the poster quoting " Providing the enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775"... What if someone was to post "providing the enemies of (insert name of whatever country the US disagree with) an opportunity to die for their countries since _____" ? No matter which side it comes from I find such a statement nauseous... You think people, by and large, join out of bloodlust--like mandalorians? No, but I don't believe there is anything noble or honorable that comes by joining an organization by itself. It is not the enrollment that counts a but an individual's own actions, purpose, beliefs and will that matters, regardless of the profession he/she choses. There are bad and good apples in every lot, no mater what. Newsflash: all wars are fueled by political agenda, in one way or another. If you are told to kill someone or to do something that would be even throwing your life away to a needless suicide, an order is an order. And that is also what has lead to the worst horrors in history too...In many circumstances, I would have had killed myself rather than following certain orders and/or inflicting some consequences on others. Just put a few crazy people at the top and wait for the masses to follow...humanity's history can serve as proof. As for my initial reaction, I don't think it's naivete: I have lived in civil war environments and been first hand witness to war actions. I have seen more than my share of mutilated bodies and psychologically affected people. I could post much more details but I fear they would exceed this forum's age criteria and I wouldn't be able to do so without vomiting first. I have lost my naivete a long while ago, at a way too young age. I guess I have lost hope in humanity at the same time: we are all capable of the best of the worst....at least some people are still there for the best of the best Though, for the very most part I think war is ****. It is insanely naive to believe you're "defending humanity" or whatever by fighting in X war. I agree that it is naive but merely following the chain of command and letting others think without any individual responsibility or conscience is even dumber. Problem is a lot of people will just follow the chain of command no matter the reason or consequences (again, refer to history for examples). I guess that's in part why I'll never sign anything in advance... It isn't the death of others that makes anyone proud (it *shouldn't* be that way, anyhow). It is attempting to do what is the right thing Re-read the poster above. The "right thing" has nothing to do with "killing the enemies of America" unless you imply that a specific country's administration can never be wrong. Sometimes military action can be right but in most cases it is only about following a political agenda that has nothing to do with necessity or what is "right" (and since I believe this is a non-absolute variable - what is good for one is no necessarily good for the other - it brings us back to square 1...oh humanity ... Uhh...I and all my defects are part of all that too, of course - ). In any event there shouldn't be any pride in the death of others and that shouldn't be the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-varmint Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Happy belated birthday to the USMC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Is this is same USMC that are spreading Mirth in Iraq and Afghanistan? Sure, let's throw 'em a party \o/ The sooner the world moves to resolve its conflict by hawt girls (and boys to keep it fair) wrestling in Jelly(Jello), the better. Cliff Notes: 1. It might look gory, but its strawberry... 2. Im actually in that pic, somewhere mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I think I like the Jello idea very much. Stick a few more cabana boys in there for me, please, Astro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I think I like the Jello idea very much. Stick a few more cabana boys in there for me, please, Astro. 2 not enough Jae?? mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Hey, sometimes three (or more) aren't always a crowd. I'd opt for more babes, though, Astro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-varmint Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The sooner the world moves to resolve its conflict by hawt girls (and boys to keep it fair) wrestling in Jelly(Jello), the better. Hillary v Palin Jello Cage Match 2012! I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Hillary v Palin Jello Cage Match 2012! I like it! That's possibly the grossest thing I've heard suggested on the internet. Anyway, Hoo-rah to the USMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 ^Only if you know what it means. This is what it means, and its pretty awesome (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) OT: I wish they did version of survivor with 5 USMC vs 5 SAS blokes, but put them deep into the Amazon with no food and minimal water. The jungle would do the voting mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Pruned some posts in response to a comment deleted from Sithy's post. I had to keep the awesome music, though! Keep it PG-13, loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 personally, I would prefer it if we could resolve all of the problems with words. Unfortunately this is the real world, and not every one plays nice. It's comforting to know that when words fail, we have the marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 No, but I don't believe there is anything noble or honorable that comes by joining an organization by itself. It is not the enrollment that counts a but an individual's own actions, purpose, beliefs and will that matters, regardless of the profession he/she choses. There are bad and good apples in every lot, no mater what. Which is fine and what I essentially meant by doing the right thing...or at least trying to. I agree that it is naive but merely following the chain of command and letting others think without any individual responsibility or conscience is even dumber. Problem is a lot of people will just follow the chain of command no matter the reason or consequences (again, refer to history for examples). I guess that's in part why I'll never sign anything in advance... This was in response actually to someone other than myself but I'll respond just the same. I cannot say I blame you, really. And it is people who will try to be the good in things that may make the difference. So it is not an unreasonable stance you take. Still, some join for what service represents, not to simply belong to something. The reality is, as you said, people will just follow and not rock the boat. In general I think the sense of duty is more the reason than anything else, even if what happens turns out in actuality to not be for better...or for sane in what you pointed out. It's the idea of putting country before self and in service, I reiterate, for what it ultimately represents that is noble. Though this has undoubtedly been twisted and botched over the years in many ways, sacrifice for the better of the country is why most I know have joined. Before you beat down what I just said: To believe that is completely this way is a naive and perhaps insane idea. But initially the heart is in the right place. Re-read the poster above. The "right thing" has nothing to do with "killing the enemies of America" unless you imply that a specific country's administration can never be wrong. No. I am not implying that--please do not misinterpret me. Sometimes military action can be right but in most cases it is only about following a political agenda that has nothing to do with necessity or what is "right" (and since I believe this is a non-absolute variable - what is good for one is no necessarily good for the other - it brings us back to square 1...oh humanity ... Uhh...I and all my defects are part of all that too, of course - ). Fine by, me--all I wished to convey/insinuate/etc. is that the idea of service for the purpose of bettering your country is a noble thing. Sure it is lost quite often in the reality of situations, orders, and politics, there is no contesting that. The idea away from the complications is that your self sacrifice was your intent to improve your country and prove you love the country. That's what most believe when enlisting, anyways. In any event there shouldn't be any pride in the death of others and that shouldn't be the purpose. To my knowledge it isn't in their hearts when they join. Though it may be part of the job description and implied by service. However, anyone who has joined for that reason has enlisted for the wrong reasons though they'll undoubtedly find what they seek. I'm not saying anything other than the nobility is ideally in the service to the country. Certainly not in the killing or murder of others. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralPloKoon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Honestly, I don't like the military very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Honestly, I don't like the military very much. Honestly, you probably should...or at least appreciate their existence especially if you live in a country with a volunteer military since the military exists to protect a country and its citizens from its enemies, and volunteer military is full of folks who volunteer to serve so you don't have to, and can sit in front of your computer and make posts on forums:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted February 5, 2010 Author Share Posted February 5, 2010 Well, it was 11:15 PM on the 10th, local, when I posted it (wasn't going by computer clock either. ). C'est la guerre.... Just noticed this little gem at bottom of LF page that accounted for time confusion: All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:49 AM. Always thought it was GMT-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 ^^^Welcome forumer. Do make yourself at home. Go introduce yourself in the sticky threads at the top of the subforums. Honestly, you probably should...or at least appreciate their existence especially if you live in a country with a volunteer military since the military exists to protect a country and its citizens from its enemies, and volunteer military is full of folks who volunteer to serve so you don't have to, and can sit in front of your computer and make posts on forums:) Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 ^^^Welcome forumer. Do make yourself at home. Go introduce yourself in the sticky threads at the top of the subforums. Look at the carefully filled user details, creative username and informative sig, and you'll probably see why she isn't interested in introducing herself anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Look at the carefully filled user details, creative username and informative sig, and you'll probably see why she isn't interested in introducing herself anymore. Oh, you. Te-hee. EDIT: Ohh, gone! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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