Qui-Gon Glenn Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I just don't understand the hostility, or the fear, that is expressed in this last statement. It comes off as homophobia, which is look-in-the-mirror time, IMO. Now I think you're reading more into it than is actually there to be honest. No, I don't have a moments thought that VP is anything different than what he claims to be. I was making a point though, that I see echoed somewhat in another post here. @urluckyday: of course. But as it becomes more human "natural" to be gay, should our views not adapt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 @urluckyday: of course. But as it becomes more human "natural" to be gay, should our views not adapt? Sure, why not? I think it has at least somewhat to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 No, I don't have a moments thought that VP is anything different than what he claims to be. I was making a point though, that I see echoed somewhat in another post here. Ah, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Society, stance, similair and opinion might sway and may even break but everyone really already knows what is right and wrong. uh yeah...then, what does "everyone " mean? "Nothing" or "just some people", which means the same...? Sorry, you lost me, right there.... huh!?!...As a "westerner", did you ever read about ancient Greece?..and even more "recent" authors? Besides what is the problem when two people love each other? I couldn't care less about what two consenting people do in their bedroom: it doesn't hurt anyone and even the better if they love each other. As a Christian "offspring" (or whatever you want to call it) of an ex-catholic nun and priest (lol), I have always been taught that the objective of Christianity was to be inclusive and to make life better while thinking about others, not worse, so where's the problem? Also, in addition to what J7 said, that it could be psychological thing, I'd say that it can also be a physiological issue: sex is not always black or white... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 lol Here I was thinking there'd be a variety of opinions and views, mine just being a generic overview, nothing specific or exact But I can see I wondered out of my depth, into a club as such; the reason that I didn't elaborate or be too specific is because if you're on one side you are sensitive and if you're on the other you're insensitive According to you. Now I'm not personally worried about anyones sexual orientation but I do believe it is 100% wrong if you perfer to be in a sexual relationship with the same gender, it's like a lot of things in this world, if it feels wrong it generally is... (I know you won't feel it's wrong but try and relate it to something else that falls into this category) If it felt wrong, I doubt they would be doing it. Evolution and any similar theory will tell you that people have sex, no matter what kind, because they enjoy it. Those that don't did not pass on their genes. humans have a wonderful way of making there point or creating a solid perspective and can convince and recruit the weak minded or idealistic but hit a wall with the strong minded or realistic types. (again, I know these terms are very general but I can't flood the post with every possible adjective or exact identification) Which relates to this how? Now I understand your craving for acceptance, but you won't ever get genuine acceptance outside your peers and the idealistic recruited Says who? You start looking at all the other strange sexual orientated preferences of some other factions out there; if you believe you are right to be as you are, why aren't they? (and be careful here since now you've used a minor to endorse your lifestyle, age of consent is now out the window) Um, you're presuming a lot about other people's views buddy. enjoy, I'm out of here :-D You do that. Because you're one of the narrowminded that believe that all who are different will rot in hell' date=' like most Christians do?[/quote'] Sorry, but it is equally narrowminded to presume that most Christians hold that view, true or not. I was raised to be a Catholic, and I was never taught any such belief. In fact, none of the large variety of priests that visited my church ever espoused such a view, nor did any the various non-clergy community leaders there. I have met a grand total of three Christians in real life who have ever said that homosexuality is wrong but never at any point said that gays will burn in hell. I personally could care less what anyone does in bed as long as it's consensual and healthy, and either way it's not my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canaan Sadow Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Sorry, but it is equally narrowminded to presume that most Christians hold that view, true or not. I was raised to be a Catholic, and I was never taught any such belief. In fact, none of the large variety of priests that visited my church ever espoused such a view, nor did any the various non-clergy community leaders there. I have met a grand total of three Christians in real life who have ever said that homosexuality is wrong but never at any point said that gays will burn in hell. I personally could care less what anyone does in bed as long as it's consensual and healthy, and either way it's not my business. Well then maybe it's just the Christians that live around here. They gave the openly gay kids at our High School hell due to their sexual preference. They were absolutely the "fanatics" who believe that their religion and whatever else was right. One kid even told a mormon that he was going to Hell because he was a mormon... but I digress. You're right, it was a generalization that was unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 The only way bigotry will end is when Humanity has something else to hate. There's always going to be people to afraid or disgusted by the differences of others. Now, those others will probably not always be people of other races or sexualities. I figure when the bug-eyed aliens turn up around 2012, we'll get a lot of backwood hicks hating on Greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canaan Sadow Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Firstly I would like to make a rather large objection to this thread, which is that a person, a human being is defined by their "sexuality". Human beings are so much more than being "straight" or "gay". Our sexuality makes up in reality a very small proportion of who we are. The moment you start referring to individuals in categories you consider "bad" you de-humanise them and make it far more easy to cask aspersions on their character. That said in the terms of the conversation I am going to have to use the above labels to articulate my point. Though my "gay" friends, I would usually just describe as friends, as I don't usually classify my friends in conversation such as my "Indian friends", my "female friends" my "retired friends" etc Essentially this seems like a non-issue to me, no-where in the Bible does it say that non-Jew or non-Christian has to adhere to Christian (or Jewish law), although they will be judged by it. However Christianity, under Jesus (and Paul) was never a religion which forced those outside it by compulsion or law to adhere to it. As such while I maybe a Christian, and I may have my own thoughts on homosexuality, that has no impact upon societies laws, nor upon my friendships with others (several of my best friends are gay). I don't care if the state recognizes gay marriage or not, and I dare say that some of my gay friends would make far better parents than many straight couples I know, so why shouldn't they adopt? I know, no-one can quote me a Bible passages saying that gay-couples shouldn't adopt. Also making homo-sexuality illegal doesn't achieve anything; people aren't going to stop being gay due to it being illegal. There is a further question here, if the majority of a country is "secular" should they be ruled by the rules of a minority? Also to point out in the New-Testament Paul writes about homosexuality outside the Church, but aside from saying believers should not involve themselves in such relationships he says nothing of what those outside the Church should do, asside from saying they don't know better, so the believers should show them love and mercy, and explain the Gospel to them. Explaining the Gospel, is explaining the need for Jesus, his love, and loving others; not things that are forbidden. How does this look? I remember in my first year at University two of my room-mates were a Lesbian couple, and they used to come along to every event the CU put on, until one of the Christian girls announced to them they were both going to hell for being gay. Just a quick Christian Theology 101, but the Bible is pretty clear that you go to hell for not believing in Jesus; the Bible says all have (believers or non believers) fallen short of the Glory of God. In general Christian Theology, it is not an individuals sexuality which decides where they are going; there will be gay people in heaven, indeed I think some of those Christians who are so anti-gay may well NOT be in heaven. But that is for someone far wiser than me to judge... The curiosity to me of these Christians who are so cruel towards gay people is that they don't act in a manner of mercy or love that aforementioned Jesus and Paul would. Indeed, Phillip Yancey who is a Christian writer somewhat critical of the Church points out, at some Gay Pride Marches, the Gay marchers would have boards saying "Jesus loves me", while so called Christians would have banners filled with hatred and vitriol - it reminded me a lot of the Pharisee's, Jesus fought against in the Bible. The only people through the Gospels accounts of Jesus is ever "harsh" towards is the Pharisee's, not the "sinners"... So what do I think of homosexuality? My gay friends it would seem to me, did not choose to be gay, with one of them, I could tell from when he was 12 years old that he was going to be gay. The psychological evidence also suggests we are not 100% gay or 100% straight, but that it is a sliding scale. I also think that you can be Christian and gay (and shock horror practising); I say this because the Bible says all sin is bad, so if you are a Christian reading this, you know that woman you lustfully looked at... In the eyes of God that's just the same as an individual in a gay relationship. It finally seems to me that there is a great deal of fear from some Christians of gay people, I may suggest that this is related to a deep and profound insecurity in their own sexuality rather than that of gay people. Indeed, the reaction of gay people toward Christianity, I think is of the Churches own making, the Church should be there to pick up and look after those with who society disdains. Instead the Church for a considerable while led the persecution of gay people so is it any surprise gay people don't like the Church? People should think the Church is a place to go for safety, help and sanctuary, however many in the West, think of the Church as judging, mean and narrow minded. I think personally they would be right to do so, so if your a Christian I think the far greater issue that the "gay debate" is to turn the Church into what it should be, rather than telling "non-Christians" how they should live their lives... j7's shiney 2 cents... I didn't see this earlier, but now that I have, I just want to tell you... I love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taak Farst Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Homophobia Is Gay. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shio Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 I'm sorry but at just 14 he is not old, hasn't lived long enough to decide he is gay or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Glenn Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 ^^^ Do you say this as a gay person? Or as a straight one? Having never been one or the other, how do you have any clue how old one needs to be to determine for themselves, well, anything? I was simultaneously quite intelligent and hugely ignorant at 14. I did, however, know that I liked girls... a LOT. What grand age have you attained, Shio, to make this claim about 14 year olds and what they are and are not capable of cogitating? @Taak - I have often claimed exactly that. Anyone who is serious about their homophobia is hiding something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canaan Sadow Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share Posted April 24, 2011 I'm sorry but at just 14 he is not old, hasn't lived long enough to decide he is gay or not. Decide? I never decided I am bi, I just am. I've always been attracted to members of the same sex... I'm more attracted to guys than I am girls, but I never had a choice in the matter. I was born bi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Working Class Hero Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 if you're old enough to fap you're old enough to know which gender you'd like to **** with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urluckyday Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 if you're old enough to fap you're old enough to know which gender you'd like to **** with. hahaha this made me laugh hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Glenn Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 if you're old enough to fap you're old enough to know which gender you'd like to **** with. My thought exactly!! Hahahahahahaha.... Had to look that up though... I am really getting old when I don't know what words mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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