Jake Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 The one I got is from 1993, we’ll see if the maps line up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 We'll see, but based on typography I guess we'll need either the 1989, 1990 or 1991 edition. The 1992 edition already has a slightly updated typography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I for one am willing to excuse a few missing roads or whatever. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 The question is so, how we would put this new knowledge to use. Obviously I'll add a poster version of HTR with its border, but apart from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) As a quick test I took the 1977 map (which had the best quality at Archive.org), cleaned it up and color-matched it to the back of the game's manual: We should get an even better results as soon as we can work with uncompressed high-resolution scans. Edited May 13, 2022 by Laserschwert 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalisDraws Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I should have asked about the map a long time ago instead of lurking for months like I did, you guys are so smart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Maybe @Crumb can also unearth the map used on the Fate of Atlantis box/manual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMegone Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Laserschwert said: Maybe @Crumb can also unearth the map used on the Fate of Atlantis box/manual? There's a larger area visible in this advert which might make it easier to track down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumb Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) Ha!, you know I like a challenge, <goes and gets IFOA box & engage googlefu> ...and <15mins later yeah think I've found the Indy Map. 😁 I'd says it's "The Coasts and Islands of the Aegean Sea" by Cartographer William Hughes c1867. Engraved by G.E Sherman From the Book "An Atlas of Classical Geography constructed by William Hughes and edited by George Long" Links Previously Sold Item, but not bad scan and one on abebooks by the looks here Edited May 14, 2022 by Crumb 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 Amazing! That's really impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumb Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 15 hours ago, sanguinehearts said: There's a larger area visible in this advert which might make it easier to track down. I quickly stitched this together from the Geographicus link above. The Indy map is clearly from the same engraving, there could be lots of different variations of hand coloured prints though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 Yeah, it might get a bit tricky to get rid of the red coastlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumb Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: Yeah, it might get a bit tricky to get rid of the red coastlines. I think with a careful use of HSL adjustment on the Reds & Magenta it can be greatly improved. super quick example attached, it can probably be improved with time, but way better than just greyscale conversion. Also I wonder if you end up with an original hardcopy, scanning it through a red transparency then converting the image to mono might well work too. This is the book it is from https://archive.org/details/atlasofclassical00hugh Page 97 Edited May 14, 2022 by Crumb 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalisDraws Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Crumb you are a wizard!!! I'm so glad you decided to get in the forum, you're gonna have to teach me how you manage to find these obscure things!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 That's some serious Google-Fu! Did you manipulate the RED channel to remove the coastal lines? That's what I would have tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumb Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 hours ago, ThunderPeel2001 said: That's some serious Google-Fu! Did you manipulate the RED channel to remove the coastal lines? That's what I would have tried. Yes that's right. I used a Hue Saturation Lightness (HSL) on the Red and Magenta Channels for that. I suppose what we don't know is who coloured the map for the box & manual art. Was it already on an engraving print or did they add it when producing the packaging. It's also probable new copper plates were engraved over many years of editions of the book, as they wore out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) We should really have a kind of war chest for items like these maps, so that we could easily purchase material like this for the project. Edited May 15, 2022 by Laserschwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) A bunch of scans of this book (and the map) are available online for free at several university libraries. This one seems to be the best one (at #116): https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t2r500b87 But they are all not great, so I'd rather scan it myself. Reprints of the book aren't that expensive, so I guess I'll get one of those and hope the print quality doesn't suck. Edited May 15, 2022 by Laserschwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumb Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) I had a few mins so thought I'd have another look. I've found a different impression, this one without the red. some subtle blue around the islands. https://www.hipkiss.org/cgi-bin/zoom.pl?id=653 apparently 1200 dpi is available EDIT scratch that: it's slightly different -it doesn't have the concentric lines around the islands Interestingly though this one is Engraved by Hughes himself, and doesn't have the concentrics, the G.E.Sherman one might be a later re-engraving? Edited May 15, 2022 by Crumb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 Alright, I bought a paperback version of the book for 13 bucks... we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 If I remember correctly, the German releases always had the sturdy, fully glued two-part boxes, wrapped in the artwork: Whereas the US releases had the folded boxes, with the folds on the upper and lower edges (this one is my custom box from pack.ly though, and they are printing directly on the cardboard and provide the boxes ready to fold): And then there's the wobbly one-part flap-top boxes, which got used even on German releases (Grim Fandango and a bunch of Star Wars games) : 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 On 5/15/2022 at 6:01 PM, Laserschwert said: Alright, I bought a paperback version of the book for 13 bucks... we'll see. The book arrived today and it is utter crap. It is LITERALLY a printed version of a shitty archive.org scan. Money down the drain. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knolll Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: The book arrived today and it is utter crap. It is LITERALLY a printed version of a shitty archive.org scan. Money down the drain. Is this helpful? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KRGsmiedGCqcGxjczvAt-QqMGfx0Mpcz/view?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, knolll said: Is this helpful? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KRGsmiedGCqcGxjczvAt-QqMGfx0Mpcz/view?usp=sharing Access denied... so, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knolll Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, Laserschwert said: Access denied... so, no. Sorry, just shared it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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