peter james Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 begin quote: "You will go to the degobah system - there you will learn from Yoda - the jedi master who instructed me" end quote. wasnt he instructed by liam GL prolly forgot about that - bad GL bad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarlacc Food Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 hmmmm u got a point there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Yoda was a headmaster in a sense. In a way he instucted everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 and he obviously couldn't tell him to go train with QuiGon......because quigon was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 after qui-gon died i believe that obiwan (as a jedi knight) learnt alot from yoda, it was between episode 1 & 2 where obi wan learnt the most about the force. this would make what obiwan said to luke true. and we have a thed about how it would have been pointless to tell luke about qui-gon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 I agree with you purple tentacle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Actually, I think Obi was trained by Yoda as a child before he was Qui-Gon's Padawan, like when you see Yoda training the kids in AOTC! I think that is what he was refering to. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaulerZ Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 Originally posted by leXX Actually, I think Obi was trained by Yoda as a child before he was Qui-Gon's Padawan, like when you see Yoda training the kids in AOTC! I think that is what he was refering to. Just a thought. I think so too I think he was part of Yoda's Younglings when he was a child then Qui-Gon went to the academy and chose him as his padawan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Duh thats how the training works. First with the Head Master then with a personal Master then your a Jedi. But youre always learning from everyone throughout your life, especially from Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswanmmiv Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Purple_tentacle, I like your signiture. Daft Punk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted November 11, 2002 Share Posted November 11, 2002 Originally posted by mswanmmiv Purple_tentacle, I like your signiture. Daft Punk! thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle after qui-gon died i believe that obiwan (as a jedi knight) learnt alot from yoda, it was between episode 1 & 2 where obi wan learnt the most about the force. this would make what obiwan said to luke true. and we have a thed about how it would have been pointless to tell luke about qui-gon. I must say that I disagree. I belive that you have to be fully trained to manage to face the trials, it would not have worked if each that became Jedi Knight would spend the next 10 years being trained even more. Obi-Wan was no longer being trained, he was now the trainer, and he should not be that if he was still "untrained". And we know quite sure that Obi-Wan spent most of his time travelling with Anakin, and since Yoda just sits around at the Jedi Temple all day, I doubt it even more. Also, he wasn't very much better swordfighter in ep2 than in ep1. Few "untrained" would have been able to kill a sith lord. One thing suprises me. Why didn't Obi-Wan follow the Living Force? Did he really trust Yoda more than his master? And at least in respect for Qui-Gon, he should have at least teached about the Living Force to Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Well, there was a lot that happened between Episode 1 and 2. Obi-wan apparently had to face the trials to become a Jedi Knight. and with 10 years, a lot of training could have happened. Because Palpatine was talking to Anakin, and Anakin kept saying about how Palpatine's guidance helped more than anything, or something like that. So there is a lot that isn't explained in the movies themself, just hints to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Well, there was a lot that happened between Episode 1 and 2. Obi-wan apparently had to face the trials to become a Jedi Knight. and with 10 years, a lot of training could have happened. Because Palpatine was talking to Anakin, and Anakin kept saying about how Palpatine's guidance helped more than anything, or something like that. So there is a lot that isn't explained in the movies themself, just hints to them. Yoda in Episode I: "Confer on you, the level of Jedi Knight the Council does..." So Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight at the end of Episode I... more likely than not, the Council thought that killing a Sith Lord single-handedly was enough of a trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn I must say that I disagree. I belive that you have to be fully trained to manage to face the trials, it would not have worked if each that became Jedi Knight would spend the next 10 years being trained even more. What creates the distinction between Knight and Master then? Shear power perhaps? Or do Knights simply self-train to become masters? Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Originally posted by Kryllith What creates the distinction between Knight and Master then? Shear power perhaps? Or do Knights simply self-train to become masters? I think Masters are those who sit on the Jedi Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 From my understanding the tree to becoming a master is: Padawan Jedi Knight Jedi Knight with apprentice Jedi Master when your Apprentice becomes a Jedi Knight and begins instructing a padawan of their own. I can't remember where I read that, but I do remember it being from a reliable source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Originally posted by Kryllith What creates the distinction between Knight and Master then? Shear power perhaps? Or do Knights simply self-train to become masters? Kryllith You become a Master when your Padawan becomes a Knight. The title "master" (eg. master kenobi) is an honorary title granted when a Knight takes a padawan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Originally posted by peter james begin quote: "You will go to the degobah system - there you will learn from Yoda - the jedi master who instructed me" end quote. wasnt he instructed by liam GL prolly forgot about that - bad GL bad ! the jedi apprentice books clear that up until the age of 13 they are all instructed in the temple by all the masters, including Yoda. then when they reach the age of 13 they are choosen by a jedi knight to be their padawans. if they aren't choosen they have to leave the temple and join the agriculture corps. that's why in TPM, when mace says THEY won't train anakin, qui-gonn says he will train him himself. because being 9 anakin is too young to be a padawan but too old to start temple training. this is all EU of course, but i think it explains it pretty well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 this is all EU of course, but i think it explains it pretty well Lucas says in the Episode I audio commentary that young Jedi train with Yoda until they're about seven or eight. So, yeah, Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda in the basics of Force use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Lucas says in the Episode I audio commentary that young Jedi train with Yoda until they're about seven or eight. So, yeah, Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda in the basics of Force use. He also says that in EP II when he is talking about the relationship between Anakin and his mother. Anakin was with his mother for a long time. That was why he went through all those dreams. If he had been trained by Yoda when he was a little kid he wouldn't of had those dreams that much. Yoda trains them at a young age. Then when they get to a certain age they go to being trained by other Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi That was why he went through all those dreams. He had those dreams because the force was relaying to him how much his mother was suffering. Probably because of his inability to control such delicate parts of the force, and because of his ultra high midi-chlorian count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Also, in Episode II, obi-wan doesn't think Anakin's abilities are atuned to sensing, like when the queen was about to be assassinated (Again). Yet, notice how Anakin detected the creatures before Obi-wan. Very peculiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by Andy867 Also, in Episode II, obi-wan doesn't think Anakin's abilities are atuned to sensing, like when the queen was about to be assassinated (Again). Yet, notice how Anakin detected the creatures before Obi-wan. Very peculiar. I don't know if he sensed it first. I believe that they both assumed a facial expression detailing their knowledge of a threat at the same time, but Anakin spoke first. I could be wrong though, and it will take slow motion viewing and careful study to see who saw it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Originally posted by PowerBroker He had those dreams because the force was relaying to him how much his mother was suffering. Probably because of his inability to control such delicate parts of the force, and because of his ultra high midi-chlorian count. If you watch the Comentary it is because his attachment to his mother. If he had been taken away to become a Jedi at a young age he would't of had those dreams about his mother because he wouldn't of been so attached. He was introduced to the Order at a old age so he was not able to be instructed by Yoda. He was a Padawan of Obi-Wan first so he did not go through the most basic training of a Jedi. Like there is no Emotion, there is only peace. He had emotion for his mother when he was not suppose to have any emotional attachent's to anything. The Force was only something that he could use to sense his mother more since he had feelings. Had he been trained it wouldn't effect him cause he would have no emotional attachments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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