Rogue Nine Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 But it's nice and minty fresh for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine But it's nice and minty fresh for you. For once Rouge Nine is funny! *sees rouge nine going to his mod council* Er...um...it's one of the many times Rouge Nine is funny! He's always funny! *escapes near-banning* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 You spell my name wrong again and you won't think anything I do is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine You spell my name wrong again and you won't think anything I do is funny. Is that a threat? (Sorry about Rogue, I kept thinking it was Rouge). Someone corrected me on the spelling,and for some reason it was burned into my mind as Rouge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Well, burn it out. And type slower when trying to spell my name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine Well, burn it out. And type slower when trying to spell my name. Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine Rogue Nine ..... rogue nine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 R9 It's easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 SXW, you're thinking about extremist Islam, not mainstream Islam, and how on earth is voodoo mainstream? I agree with Ike a little...it would've been nice if the post had been reformatted so it didn't look so much like standard inbox pollution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 The people who ran out cannot be condemned as hypocritical for a couple of reasons: It would be very likely that most of them would start running as soon as a gun was seen, long before anything could be said about "Taking a bullet..." Even those that heard the statement and fled can and should be excused... the self preservation survival instinct is the strongest impulse in the animal kingdom, and humans are no exception. There are very few situations where a human will place their own lives at risk voluntarily, such as a parent attempting to save a child, or under fire in a military situation (and the armed forces spend a LOT of time and effort drilling the natural flight response out of recruits) Even when faced with defending a higher ideal you truly believe in with your life your instincts can be too overwhelming to fight. And for all the honor placed on martyrs down through the ages, a dead person cannot do the work of their God. If your goal is to teach others about your beliefs, then taking a bullet is a really inefficient way to do so. You may end up showing others the strength of your personal beliefs, but someone who didn't know what those beliefs were would never know, since you were too dead to tell them. Finally, any church group that actually attempted to do something like this would have more than a few people traumatized by the event, possibly a few heart-attacks on hand from the elderly folks in the congregation, and would most likely be shut down due to litigation and police action. Threatening someone with harm is also a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue Nine You spell my name wrong again and you won't think anything I do is funny. maybe he should wave his hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 @edlib: they'd at least know those beliefs are worth dying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Ah....I probably wouldn't be there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted November 14, 2002 Author Share Posted November 14, 2002 Originally posted by Scarface2k2 Of course I'd stand by mine. I bilieve that religon is and has been a complete screw up. you have two religions that say its is bad to kill, but its okay when they do it anyway. holy wars are just complete a waste of time. So to me if that happens in a religion, I vow the I'd never participate in such belief that its okay to kill when it means of senseless defending of ones culture and belief, when it firmly states its wrong. and this is as far as I WANT to go on the subject, cus if to goes any further I'd might give out a quite the sum about of reading why i think its all a bunch of BS. Ugh...well this is where it gets confusing. First of all, I have no idea what on earth you mean "we have two religions that say its bad to kill but its okay when they do it anyway". We never said it's okay, and people that truly believe God's word don't kill in the first place. And the guys who did it weren't christians, that's supposed to be obvious from the statement. Christianity is a religion, but its easy to be an invisible christian and go around telling people that you're a christian and wearing a cross around your neck. But these are cover ups, because truly you may be too embarressed to show the truth. If Jesus had been killed with a shotgun, would you go around wearing a shotgun around your neck? You're better off wearing Jesus himself or nothing around your neck than a cross...in my humble opinion. Christianity to me is a label just like "prep", "jock", or "skater". I don't like being labeled a christian, because that's what many people call themselves when their too embarressed to say that they believe in Jesus Christ. And yes, we are hypocrites. If you want to see the biggest load of hypocrities in the world, go to church. But we're all hypocrites. The difference between those who believe and...me, and those like me...is that we're willing to admit we're wrong and try to stop it. Don't get me wrong, others may be just as willing, but whether or not they do it...well, you tell me. I'm not here to force my beliefs upon you, I'm just here to show you how my beliefs affect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted November 14, 2002 Author Share Posted November 14, 2002 Okay Edlib, after reading your statement I see this is confusing. THe church didn't do this, they did not know people were going to come in and threaten them. And all those that fled did actually die; they were killed by those men in black, who, by the way, were not christian. Those that remained did not. And talking about "human instinct" does not relate to God. This just shows who you rely on more: yourself or God. I can't explain this or myself any further; this is the internet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth Talking about "human instinct" does not relate to God. This just shows who you rely on more: yourself or God. I don't see where it does. Letting yourself be killed when there are other options available that might let you or your family live is to me not a sign of any kind of deep devotion, just stupidity. I'm just saying that you cannot simply dismiss someone who succumbs to the strongest human instinct when somebody says "You're going to die..." as being weak. This is a far too complicated example for that. And it seems to me that you are approaching this situation as if those participating could engage in some kind of rational thought at the moment. This all would have happened incredibly fast, and most people wouldn't have had time to even consider what was being said. All they would know was that there were hooded men shouting and waving guns at them. All would be confusion. People would be screaming as soon as they first arrived. People would immediately be thinking about how to get their loved ones, especially their children, out of there. Nobody would be hanging around to see what these guys were offering or asking for. A human faced with a stressful situation that threatens harm to it's own body has two options: fight or flight. In a life or death situation it all comes down to pure instinct. There is very little rational thought involved. The adrenalin kicks in and the automatic responses come from a lower part of the brain. Even a devoutly religious person will most likely run or fight if you shove a gun in their face. There are some who might be able to think it out that fast and come to some kind of decision, but most people are just going to react, not think. Of the 20 people left I would guess a few of them were merely frozen in fear. That is why I don't see running in this situation as something we can judge anybody else on until you are the one with the sub-machine gun pointed at you and all the alarms going off in your head. Saying that you know that you wouldn't run is totally impossible when thinking about this in the comfort of your own home. Ultimately we all like to think we would be one of the few that wouldn't run, but I personally think that's impossible to do unless you are faced with the situation. I don't think anybody should be judged for attempting self-preservation though. Is God really going to upset with you if you try to save your own life or the lives of those you love if there's a chance to do it? And if so, why do we have a self-preservation instinct in the first place? Dying in your faith is easy. LIVING in your faith is much more difficult. It seems to me that being a living example to everyone around you of living the life that God wants for you is far better way of demonstrating the strength of your faith than sitting there and letting yourself be shot by a madman. It's also a lot more difficult in the long run. You actually have to live that life everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 14, 2002 Share Posted November 14, 2002 I agree with edlib. The reason I wouldn't run is that I don't believe God would let me die unless He wanted me to. In that case, running wouldn't help. Besides, I'd be much too scared to move. ^_~;; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by Ikhnaton the message is good, but i get enough spam in my email. do i really need to see it rehashed on the forums? For once i FULLY agree with you ... what? Stranger things have happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 15, 2002 Share Posted November 15, 2002 Originally posted by Lynk Former For once i FULLY agree with you ... what? Stranger things have happened... Like um..a mod flaming eating pudding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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