Skate Boy Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 I saw it!!!!! Originally posted by Redwing Poor Haldir. When he got hit and sort of swayed...and saw all the dead elves laying around him...all his people lying there unmoving, robbed of their immortality in an instant...and realizing the same had happened to him...and the uncomprehending look in his eyes...it was so sad... I agree. I felt bad for Gollum. I can't wait to see the spider lady it Return of the king.(I forget her name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Posted by Redwing Poor Haldir. When he got hit and sort of swayed...and saw all the dead elves laying around him...all his people lying there unmoving, robbed of their immortality in an instant...and realizing the same had happened to him...and the uncomprehending look in his eyes...it was so sad... I hate you now. Reading that almost makes me not want to go to see the film, cos I'm sure I'll cry, and I don't wanna start blubbering in a public place, dammit Oh well... 'Least it's dark, so I'll be spared the total loss or credibilty that would befall me were I to be seen crying in public... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing Poor Haldir. When he got hit and sort of swayed...and saw all the dead elves laying around him...all his people lying there unmoving, robbed of their immortality in an instant...and realizing the same had happened to him...and the uncomprehending look in his eyes...it was so sad... :-O I wish I didn't read that. Sounds pretty sad. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Haldir...just so I'm sure he's the leader of the elves right? And yeah, that part does sound pretty sad. But, I still wanna go see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 Haldir's the leader of the contigent of elves who come to Helm's Deep to help the humans there. ^^ lol Wacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 The movie is good. Unfortunatelly , the battle had no great CGI. By the way Gollum and the Ents were cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 No great CGI!!!? About 80% of the Helm's Deep battle was done using Massive. Massive is a computer program that can animate unique, intelligent, and (in the world it's placed in) self-aware "agents". Each agent is tweaked in personality, and will respond differently to situations, much as a real person would. As an example, they were having trouble at first, because the two armies behaved differently each time. The defenders would succesfully repel the attack; both armies would charge each other but not attack; both sides would immediatly retreat; etc... They found it nessisary to unbalance the agents in favour of the attackers to get the desired result most of the time. Everything from the swordplay to the raising and scaling of ladders was done using Massive. The only stuff not done with Massive were close-up shots of main characters speaking... Even the in-your-face CQB stuff was done with it. All the noises they make are done with it, and even the ground-level up-close shots of the Uruk-hai in the rain before the battle was made with (thought very slightly scripted) Massive. I was thoroughly impressed by the technology, and it's quite versatile. You can have "hero" agents that use specifically motion-captured movements, such as pulling an unsuspecting archer off a wall, and launching him into a crowd of Uruk-hai, all while standing on the top of a ladder, or alternatly, returning the favour by sending a ladder falling backwards onto normal agents, who then react and respond accordingly. Not to subtract from the movie at all, of course. It was a damned good movie, and I'm going back at least twice more before the end of January, but being a directorial hopeful, I was more impressed by the technology behind the scenes, and the promise it shows, cause I've had some ideas floating around in my head for a while that would be prohibitivly expensive to do using any other method, but are perfectly suited to the Massive system. Keep in mind, it isn't limited to ground agents. Massive would work with anything from space fighter craft to a fleet of WWII warships. Long story short, movie = good. Massive = Amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasslera Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 I have a dilemma: I need to start saving money so I can get a costume come Ren-faire (I need one to be able to work, if I get the job) But I also want to go see TTT as much as possible...I dont know what to do.*Smacks head on table*Why does it have to be so difficult?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Quite simple, really... TTT is far more important than anything else you could ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasslera Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 ...I see the logic there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 You could always take out a small loan to pay for the costume, and continue to see TTT. Or you could download it, burn it to VCD and watch it in your friendly neighborhood DVD player... But that's just not as impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Originally posted by Nitro No great CGI!!!? About 80% of the Helm's Deep battle was done using Massive. Massive is a computer program that can animate unique, intelligent, and (in the world it's placed in) self-aware "agents". Each agent is tweaked in personality, and will respond differently to situations, much as a real person would. As an example, they were having trouble at first, because the two armies behaved differently each time. The defenders would succesfully repel the attack; both armies would charge each other but not attack; both sides would immediatly retreat; etc... They found it nessisary to unbalance the agents in favour of the attackers to get the desired result most of the time. Everything from the swordplay to the raising and scaling of ladders was done using Massive. The only stuff not done with Massive were close-up shots of main characters speaking... Even the in-your-face CQB stuff was done with it. All the noises they make are done with it, and even the ground-level up-close shots of the Uruk-hai in the rain before the battle was made with (thought very slightly scripted) Massive. I was thoroughly impressed by the technology, and it's quite versatile. You can have "hero" agents that use specifically motion-captured movements, such as pulling an unsuspecting archer off a wall, and launching him into a crowd of Uruk-hai, all while standing on the top of a ladder, or alternatly, returning the favour by sending a ladder falling backwards onto normal agents, who then react and respond accordingly. Really? I heard from a LOTR fan that the massive was not that used (they used lots of extras instead) and he was not super amazed (he was expecting alot the 'masive' program) I distinguished perfectly what was CGI and what was not in the Battle. some movements were awful. I didn't saw any great differences between orcs (they all looked the same) and between humans (they looked the same too). The close-up were not CGI, moslty. I think that that the prologue in FOTR was done with massive too. That scene has awful movements. Maybe the massive is a good idea and program, that makes battles done easier , but it needs more developement, from what we saw in the movie. I my opinion, massive program or not, the AOC battle scene is almost flawless (those clone troppers abetter than anything in TTT) Well this is my opinion, i'm a litte hard with CGI, but it is becasue i like CGI alot, and i'm let down when it is noticeable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisces Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Well, I saw it yesterday. And, since my feeling have already been expressed by other people, I'll leave it a this: 'Tis a work of art. And the funniest part was where The Ents (giant walking and talking trees for those less educated ) went to Isangard and kicked ass on the Orcs. That was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Originally posted by Keiran Halcyon Really? I heard from a LOTR fan that the massive was not that used (they used lots of extras instead) and he was not super amazed (he was expecting alot the 'masive' program) I distinguished perfectly what was CGI and what was not in the Battle. some movements were awful. I didn't saw any great differences between orcs (they all looked the same) and between humans (they looked the same too). The close-up were not CGI, moslty. I think that that the prologue in FOTR was done with massive too. That scene has awful movements. Maybe the massive is a good idea and program, that makes battles done easier , but it needs more developement, from what we saw in the movie. I my opinion, massive program or not, the AOC battle scene is almost flawless (those clone troppers abetter than anything in TTT) Well this is my opinion, i'm a litte hard with CGI, but it is becasue i like CGI alot, and i'm let down when it is noticeable... Awful? o_O Well KH, you're entitled to your own opinion, but...I think...maybe...that your bias might be talking And yes, trees kicking ass is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 best part was, IMO: the talk between gollum/smeagol it was so good done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 welll after much whining ... im gonna see it next thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 YAY Finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Originally posted by Redwing Awful? o_O Well KH, you're entitled to your own opinion, but...I think...maybe...that your bias might be talking Sauron Punching humans in the Prologue of FOTR makes me Ok, TTT battle scenes may not be awful, but they are not match to AOC ones (regarding CGI. of course TTT battle has more grandeur and screen time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 I just saw the movie i saw it and.... wow..... the battles..... just...... wow.... the lanscapes...... wow....... the music...... wow....... Gollem........ wow No words.... just wow! -Wraith 8- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Toldja didn't we? @KH: o.O? Why? I didn't see anything wrong with the CG when Sauron was whacking those people around... ...does it make you for some other reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Redwing Toldja didn't we? @KH: o.O? Why? I didn't see anything wrong with the CG when Sauron was whacking those people around... ...does it make you for some other reason? but it's awfull! The movements do not look right - i'm speaking about the soldiers that 'fly'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Wraith 8 I just saw the movie i saw it and.... wow..... the battles..... just...... wow.... the lanscapes...... wow....... the music...... wow....... Gollem........ wow No words.... just wow! -Wraith 8- kewl, it broke his brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 You know, I think we should pick out the Golum of this forum....I think we have several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by Lynk Former kewl, it broke his brain no... it didnt the movie is just that good for temporary brain damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 I finally saw it last week!! Damn, one of the best films ever made, AWESOME!! I especially loved Treebeard and the Ents. I can't wait for ROTK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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