Largo-LaGrande Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by LiMP RABBiT Remember Luke is the son of the Jedi/Sith with the highest midicloriant count (or however you youngens spell it) so he must be pretty powerful. And he was hesitant against darth because of all the 'Strike me down with it and your journey to the darkside will be complete' and he had the oportunity to kill Vader (the best Sith ever) in that fight so he'd whoop Maul. that says it all just amagin Vader vs Maul and luke can beat Vader Gooooood bye Maul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryKing Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by Death_Jedi The only reason why people think Maul could beat Skywalker is becouse the Acters wernt as good back then when they redo the luke skywalker bits i bet he'll be real quick and could beat darth maul I agree, i just don't think they were that bothered about making the lightsaber battle scenes as good as they are in the PT. Maybe they couldn't afford a decent coriographer?? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 maybe they didn't have a lot of the technology needed to a) propell the actors through stunts b) make a man in a heavy black suit move fast I mean c'mon, that'd be like making puppet Yoda move like ep2 Yoda. Is just wouldn't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Originally posted by boinga1 maybe they didn't have a lot of the technology needed to a) propell the actors through stunts b) make a man in a heavy black suit move fast I mean c'mon, that'd be like making puppet Yoda move like ep2 Yoda. Is just wouldn't work! Sure they could, in the late 70's and early 80's there were a LOT of Hong Kong Wire Fu movies out there. They were cheep to make and they were used in a lot of movies. All it took was some steel wire, some pullies, some ropes, a few stage hands, and a stunt coordinator who knew what he was doing (or not over-doing). Therefore, the saber styles used in the Trilogy were not limited by technology or 'lack of stuntmen's capability,' Lucas simply chose to do it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 Actually, George Lucas said in Episode 1 why Darth Maul and Obi-wan were so fast. It all tied back to in A New Hope.. Then, Vader and Obi-wan were old and out of their prime. Sure they were Jedi Masters/Sith Lord, but they just didn't have the energy that they used to. Like in Episode 1, Obi-wan was able to Force Jump several stories to get back to where Qui-gon was fighting Darth Maul, plus they were a lot faster, and used different saber techniques which were meant to be quicker and more aggressive. Whereas Obi-wan, after seeing how Qui-gon's saber technique had very little defense against Darth Maul, took up a dedication to the Form III saber style, which is based on total defense. In the Star Wars Insider #62, it states that a True Form III master is possibly invincible. Which is why Vader, although being younger than Obi-wan, was unable to strike him. Its because Obi-wan had learned and mastered the Form III style. Now back to Darth Maul vs Luke. Darth Maul still used his quicker technique, but Luke, having been instructed early by Obi-wan, had taken up to the Form III style, which we know because Form III is based on blaster deflection, in which case Obi-wan had Luke train with the blast shield while squaring off against the remote droid. So I believe if Darth Maul were to face Luke Skywalker, both in their prime, Luke would win because of his saber style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 Andy867, FINALY, somebody who agrees with me. It seems like I've been fighting an uphill battle trying to inform people that it wasn't a lack of special effects, but the fact that the characters were old and unpracticied or in Luke's case inexperienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted April 26, 2003 Share Posted April 26, 2003 All people have to do is look at the special features on the episode 1 dvd, and they will see it from the horse's mouth that in the Original Trilogy, Luke was the only "fast" by our standards at the time, because all the rest were old, and not as in tuned with the force as they would have been Pre-Empire times. Which is why we loved the Darth Maul fight, it was quick, acrobatic, and not something we had seen before on the big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITH 1000 Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Everybody sould know that luke should win"why"because if a padwan can beat him i bet luke can beat him in a shlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Maul had more saber skill than Vader... Anakin had more saber skill than Maul... Anakin lost most of his ability to wield a saber when he became Vader relying more on the power of the Force... Luke had jack all saber skill cause he had no one to train him properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITH 1000 Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 True..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheat Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i think maul would tear luke up. he was just way too powerful from years of training compared to the limited amount of training luke had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiberator34 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 saber skills isn't something you can compare between prequal and original trilogy characters. You're talking about two seperate worlds there practically. Beside, the fact that luke learned enough to be a match for darth vader in RotJ is a sign of his skill. Plus all that flipping and spinning maul did wouldn't help him when his weapon has such a obvious weakness compared to the standard lightsaber. Luke would just fend him off till Maul got overconfident and left himself open then say bye bye to maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elemental Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Darth Mauls Martial Art and Saber skills would easily do-away with Luke, as long as Maul didnt get cocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 The hell. I say Maul's skills are greatly exaggerated. He does some flips and uses a different kind of saber. So what? Maul < Vader < Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Luke was a quick learner, he was able to use vader's form V against him so quickly and easily. and that's why obi couldn't kill vader is because vader used the powerful form V. Luke used the form III against vader until he got really pissed and suddenly was able to master and wield form V to bring down vader. But the only problem is that maul uses form VII which has more power than form V yet is unpredictable in battle. maul chooses not to use taunts during battle like most sith do but instead uses calmness and a physical prowess to bring down his opponents. In all luke would be able to block mauls form VII attacks with his defensive form III but when it came time to deliver the killing blow luke's form V would not stand up to the more elegant but powerful form VII of maul. this is also assuming that luke and maul would battle with lightsabers and not focus on force powers in battle in which case luke might have the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drako Harkon Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well, Maul actually won the saber duel, Obi-Wan really killed Maul after the duel Burn man, you got burned.... Luke would open a can of whoop-ass. maul has cool saber skills, but aside from force push, he wouldn't/doesn't use any other power, whereas luke would use them. And luke is better anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I would like to say that Luke would win... But the truth is that Maul should be victorious... (if we are talking about a duel somewhere in the middle of the 6th part ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Maul was defeated by an aprentice jedi. .... LUKE! no questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarksideDjembe Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 yeah, obi beat maul when he was an apprentic. Luke beat vader. I dont know... somehow logically... brain hurts. It'd be a cool fight i think we can all agree on that. luke would win though;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Dark Jedi Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Luke would win because maul was a more inexperienced* than luke.because the emperor never seemed to use a saber what so ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Originally posted by Drako Harkon Luke would open a can of whoop-ass. maul has cool saber skills, but aside from force push, he wouldn't/doesn't use any other power, whereas luke would use them. And luke is better anyway. Luke didn't use ANY force powers on Vader when he fought him... I vote Maul. We've seen luke almost lose to a slightly crippled half bionic terribly scarred man who moves like he's in no hurry twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johch Ai'oki Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Well, if we bring some Ep1-ish story into Ep6, Luke, not Anakin, would be the one to bring balance to the force, the one to cripple the Empire and help the Rebels become the New Republic. And I don't know a Sith Lord who never used a darksword/lightsaber. (Darkswords are ancient Sith Weapons, plasmatically-charged swords, most-likely having one edge dulled. Darth Maul definately has a technique similar to Exar Kun's ancient style of double-bladed Lightsaber fighting (although Exar Kun's hilt was shorter than Maul's), but it doesen't mean you can't defend from it. Luke is a powerful Jedi, one who could rival his father in many ways. Now, if Luke concentrated, he probably could pull off things from a ceiling or beside him (if he could control the force surrounding C3PO and the chair he was sitting in). We all know what Maul's capable of. We all at least should know he has tendancy to be cocky since he believed he was superior to the Jedi. We know a little weakness in his fighting technique, that was when he modified his hilt to be too long. But long enough, I guess, to suit his needs. I think Luke would win. If he had to, he could slow time around him down enough to block and parry the fast moves of Maul. The way Luke jumps while using the force can be faster than that of Obi-Wan's, but again he could have slowed time around him. This duel would use the force in multiple ways as well as using their lightsabers for combat. For me it is a tough decision: A skilled Sith apprentice, or a powerful Jedi aprrentice. I will never be sure on it, but I think Luke might win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 since when can luke slow time around him? did he only do that in the E.U.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johch Ai'oki Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 Well, compare how fast he could jump up from that carbon freezing chamber. Compare to Obi-Wan. Slowing time around you is a natural force power known to be "Force Speed". My theory is that, no matter how slow you are, that the immediate prediction of an attack upon you plus an ability to slow time around you can cause you more than able to deflect, say, blaster shots or fast saber strikes for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 4, 2004 Share Posted April 4, 2004 doesn't force speed just speed you up like it did obi wan and qui gon when they were fleeing from the destroyer droids on the trade fed. ship. the droids rate of fire and speed didn't slow, they just moved really fast. same w/luke. thats just what i thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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