Die Another Day Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Okay, so I'm obsessed with James Bond, but there is something interesting which is in development for this Christmas. The thing is, I can't decide wether it's a good or bad thing. The latest Bond computer game, "Everything or Nothing", will be released in time for the Christmas rush, displaying cutting-edge graphics, exotic locales, high-tech weapons and more gadgetary than Q makes in a lifetime. However, this is a game with several new improvements to the 007 licence. Some are great, yet some are questionable. Let's start with the good: 1: Real Actors: Pierce Brosnan, Judy Dench and John Cleese have been signed up for the respective parts of James Bond, M and Q, not only providing a face for the characters but all the voice lines as well. Hollywood stars are being cast as the Bond girls, villains and henchmen, which should prove interesting, and the Bond girl lead has been given to actress Shannon Elizabeth (you may have seen her in several Hollywood films). This should be great, making for a realistic enviroment with pleanty of talent. 2: Third-Person: No more 'through the eyes of Bond' in games. "Everything or Nothing" will have a third-person view of 007, allowing for a better view of your surroundings and a full view of your character. Weapons handling should be easier in this view, too. However... is this a good thing? We all remember the last game featuring Bond in third-person, oh yes... "Tomorrow Never Dies" shall never be forgotten (but not because it was good). 3: Hand-to-Hand Combat: James Bond has the ability to get into punch-ups in "Everything or Nothing", with a great over-the-top combat system allowing for more freedom of movement and displaying more ways to kill a bad guy than "Tekken 4". Although all the guns are there, players will be encoraged to go toe-to-toe with the enemy and be able to use items like chairs, bottles, tools and bricks to knock out that unsuspecting guard. This should be amazing, seeing as all the films involve great fist fights but the games never do! 4: Co-Operative Multiplayer: As well as the deathmatch we all expect, "Everything or Nothing" has a co-operative aspect, allowing two mates to complete missions side-by-side. Fair enough, this sounds great on paper, but when the arguments about who gets to be 007 start... ah well. Also, this must mean characters other than Mr. Bond himself are playable. Is this such a good thing? Well, there you have it. This will be massive, almost as big as any of the films, and getting the real actors to play the parts is a stroke of genius. However, these improvements like third-person gameplay sound a little risky to me. Fair enough, it opens up into tank, helicopter, motorbike and car driving throughout the course of the totally independent storyline, but actually running around punching people a-la "Metal Gear Solid" doesn't really suit Bond as well as the first-person view enjoyed by "GoldenEye" and "NightFire". So, I want your verdict: will "007 - Everything or Nothing" be everything you ever wanted from James Bond, or will it be nothing like what you expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
•-BLaCKouT-• Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 You're right about getting the actors in, sounds like a good job. Let's hope the scripts are up to par with the movies though - some of the Jedi Knight / Outcast dialogue was 'patchy' in places. B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kstar__2 Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 what a crappy title.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Screw the games, I want to see the rest of the Bond films released on DVD in the U.S.! Enough already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 The Bond films haven't been released on DVD in the US? o.O My goodness, they've been out over here for a while, I'm sure... *looks puzzled* As for the game...bah! I couldn't stand all the other Bond game remakes, cept for the best ever FPS on N64 - Goldeneye was an ultimate classic, and the subsequently released Bond games have been appallingly shocking, and I doubt this will be an exception. Bring back Rare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Gah! It better be coming out for PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Apprentice Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 The game looks great to me. I played 007: Nightfire to death almost. With all these new features, I'll probabaly play this one even more. *dreams of Bond co-op experience* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 proper actors is cool... makes much more difference than you might think. Third person beat-em-up???? err, no thanks Sounds to me like they might be jumping on the MGS/Splinter cell/Every other console game ever/Hulk bandwagon and turning it into a stealthem up. has there ever been a good 3rd person movie conversion??? Goldeneye is still the best bond game by miles... second and third best games being No One Lives Forever 2 & 1 It sucks when the bond spoofs are light years ahead of the bond games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 As far as I'm concerned, every Bond game on the PC platform has sucked so far. I tried playing the demo for Nightfire, and I was totally unimpressed. Going for an all 3rd person view is a stupid move as well. What they should have done was allowed both 1st person and 3rd person like JO...so when you want to take the bad guys on in hand-to-hand combat, you switch to 3rd person, and when you're using guns or exploring, you switch to 1st person. The developers of Bond games really, seriously need to go and play games like NOLF and NOLF2, which in my view actually captured the essence of being a secret agent (campy humour aside). Both those games had the right mix of stealth and action, and NOLF2's Siberia levels will always stick in my mind as some of the most well realised in any game. If they could make a Bond game that superceded those NOLF2 levels...and kept up that kind of momentum and play-style throughout, then it would be excellent. Basically, I'd love to see Monolith get their hands on the Bond franchise, because I really think they could make an excellent job of it. As it is...I don't expect any decent gameplay at all from any future Bond titles. As for being cutting-edge...I sincerely doubt it. They need to use something like the X-Ray or Source engines to obtain the right level of realism for a Bond title. If you haven't figured it out yet, I have absolutely no faith in this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted June 5, 2003 Author Share Posted June 5, 2003 Have faith, StormHammer... for I've just seen the rolling demo for "007 - Everything or Nothing". Read this... Picture the scene: James Bond, atop a large structure with a single smooth wall running down to ground level, where troops and soldiers are poised ready to destroy 007. Bond, in true secret agent style, sets an explosive charge, clicking the timer round to read "007 seconds" before attaching a repelling chord to his belt and diving from the top of the wall. By the way, this wall is huge, almost bigger than the dam from "GoldenEye". The charge explodes. James Bond is running down the wall at top speed, explosions going off all around him and bullets from the soldiers on the ground pinging off the wall. Pulling out a silenced pistol, 007 starts shooting the guards on the floor, all the while the repelling chord growing tighter and tighter. Suddenly, Bond disengages the chord, jumping from the wall and performing a flying kick to the face... at the last soldier standing. Oh, this game will be great! I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadDoofer Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I just hope this one doesn't turn out like the last mediocre ones. (Not including Goldeneye) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Sorry but I think they've pretty much lost their touch after "Goldeneye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadDoofer Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 We can hope, can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 So you guys are saying that "Agent Under Fire" and "NightFire" were not as good as "GoldenEye"? Oh dear, maybe you just love Nintendo or something. Bond games are not going downhill. Perhaps there was a slight lapse with titles like "Tomorrow Never Dies" and "007 Racing", but overall the Bond games have been great fun, and have sold well. In fact, both "Agent Under Fire" and "NightFire" were in the top 5 game lists for the Christmas periods that they were released. Surely that says something? Plus, the name "Everything or Nothing" is not a stupid title, really. It's very Ian Fleming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wilson Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Goldeneye was an ultimate classic, and the subsequently released Bond games have been appallingly shocking, and I doubt this will be an exception. Bring back Rare! Joins pickerting line to bring back rare! Golden eye brought years of enjoyment, the rest minutes of bordem before they were burnt for trying to copy golden eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadDoofer Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Just because they sell well doesn't make them good. Enter the Matrix sold a million copies but is still a mediocre game. People bought it because of The Matrix. People buy James Bond games because of James Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Darklighter The Bond films haven't been released on DVD in the US? o.O My goodness, they've been out over here for a while, I'm sure... *looks puzzled* As for the game...bah! I couldn't stand all the other Bond game remakes, cept for the best ever FPS on N64 - Goldeneye was an ultimate classic, and the subsequently released Bond games have been appallingly shocking, and I doubt this will be an exception. Bring back Rare! they've all been released here for a few years now. hmm groovy you sure you didnt see em? darky is correct in his confusion. anyways i enjoyed tommorow never dies the game *hides from the rock throwing darky* at least on n64 it was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted June 7, 2003 Author Share Posted June 7, 2003 Yes, the United States have had the Bond DVD Collection for several years now. And you should have got "Die Another Day" about four days ago, with the first-ever James Bond 2-Disc DVD Edition. I trust everyone has run out and secured a copy? Thought not... just me, then. Anyway, more "007 - Everything or Nothing" news - The real actors will NOT be providing their character's lines for the finished game. Instead, their face will be accompanied by a talented voice actor (in other words, the quite appauling Pierce Brosnan sound-a-like from "007 - NightFire" that sounded more like Roger Moore). However, Judy Dench and John Cleese are still in line to be texture-mapped for the parts of M and Q respectively. No news yet on Samantha Bond as Moneypenny (what a fortunate second name), but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. PS: Insane Sith, I'm affraid to say that "007 - Tomorrow Never Dies" was never released for the Nintendo64. Perhaps you are thinking of "007 - The World Is Not Enough", which was the second Nintendo64 Bond game, and was also released on PlayStation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=(BoD)= M.D.B. Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Originally posted by InsaneSith anyways i enjoyed tommorow never dies the game *hides from the rock throwing darky* at least on n64 it was good. Hide from this! *shoot on InsaneSith with a bazooka* Muhaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 TWINE on the n64 was a pretty good effort to capture the magic of goldeneye, but it didn't quite come off. Never played agent under fire, but nightfire sucked. It was about as good as die-hard nakatomi. ie, not. Id still put goldeneye in my top ten games of all time though. Why don't they just get monolith to do them anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 Originally posted by Die Another Day Yes, the United States have had the Bond DVD Collection for several years now. And you should have got "Die Another Day" about four days ago, with the first-ever James Bond 2-Disc DVD Edition. I trust everyone has run out and secured a copy? Thought not... just me, then. Anyway, more "007 - Everything or Nothing" news - The real actors will NOT be providing their character's lines for the finished game. Instead, their face will be accompanied by a talented voice actor (in other words, the quite appauling Pierce Brosnan sound-a-like from "007 - NightFire" that sounded more like Roger Moore). However, Judy Dench and John Cleese are still in line to be texture-mapped for the parts of M and Q respectively. No news yet on Samantha Bond as Moneypenny (what a fortunate second name), but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough. PS: Insane Sith, I'm affraid to say that "007 - Tomorrow Never Dies" was never released for the Nintendo64. Perhaps you are thinking of "007 - The World Is Not Enough", which was the second Nintendo64 Bond game, and was also released on PlayStation? oh yeah sorry bout that i liked both though the world is not enough the most. i got die another day right away.mostly for halle berry but i like the bond movies i enjoy the old ones alot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 yeah, she is fit. shame she can't act her way out of a paper bag (especially in action roles) still, i suppose that isn't really a requirement for a bond girl. according to imdb she is lined up to play catwoman. although everyone on the discussion boards thinks that is a terrible idea. can't say i blame them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Another Day Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 No, I thought Halle Berry was okay in "Die Another Day"... acting wise, for God's sake! Is that all you ever think about? However, although the script was wonderfully written, several of her lines were delivered with less class than a fat man in Speedo's. For example: "Ornithologist, eh? Wow... now there's a mouthful." "I think I got the thrust of it." "I'm sooo good..." "World peace, unconditional love... and your friend with the expensive acne. Yeah, he's back there with some psycadellic light mask." How she won an Oscar for 'Best Actress' is beyond me. Anyway, "Die Another Day" still rocks and beats almost every film ever released. Since the beginning of time. Ever. So there. Oh, and toms thinks that "007 - NightFire" sucked. Ah well, everyone has their own opinions. But did you actually PLAY the game, or did you have a quick blast on the odd level here and there? Anyway, as I say, each to their own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 yeah i played it, got it cheap on ebay so luckily it didn't cost me too much. ok, sucked it too strong, but i did think it was totally average, with nothing to really lift it above any other game. maybe my expectations were too high, or maybe im getting jaded... 5/10 on an Edge scoring system. (mind you, they gave JO 4/10 ) However NOLF, for example, was an excellent game that drew me in immediately. I still want to see Monsters ball to see if she reall CAN act when given a role that suits her, but my female housemates rented it out a month ago without reading the back of the box (because it has Heath Ledger in it ) only to turn it off after 15 minutes due to them finding it depressing, havinf lots of naked girls and Heath Ledger dying. heh heh. I never got to see the rest... Now Michelle Yeoh kicked ass as a bond girl, and if any bond girl deserved her own film it was Wai-Lin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 Originally posted by toms yeah, she is fit. shame she can't act her way out of a paper bag (especially in action roles) still, i suppose that isn't really a requirement for a bond girl. according to imdb she is lined up to play catwoman. although everyone on the discussion boards thinks that is a terrible idea. can't say i blame them... she's a very talented actress. she just seems to be stuck with odd roles. her in monster's ball though she was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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