Moosferatu Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Ok, I have a question. I have been kicking around the idea for some time of trying to make a website. Unfortunately, I do not know HTML, PHP, or the what not yet. I was wondering where or how you guys learned that kind of thing. Links to good websites, books, or any other type of help would be much appretiated. Thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fov Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 basic HTML is easy to learn. i taught myself, in large part by looking at the source code of other sites to figure out how they did it. if you right-click on any webpage, you can select "view source" and see the source code for that page in Notepad. i can't recommend any specific sites for learning HTML tags but they're definitely out there. maybe someone else has a suggestion. i did some HTML at my old job and had a few books (of the HTML for dummies variety)... none of them stood out as the best book i ever read, but i mainly used them for reference... if i wanted to do something i'd look it up. there's also programs like Dreamweaver but i find it much, much easier to do the coding myself. then again, my knowledge is pretty limited. i'm lazy and i like to keep things simple. just for practice, you might sign up for a yahoo account and mess around with the pages. (i started on geocities, which was bought by yahoo.) they have tutorials and you don't have to worry about uploading your pages because yahoo makes it easy to do. emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twifkak Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 *gasp* I can't do that! You must remain dependent on the Church of Tim machine! Umm... ok, so w3c.org is probably a bad suggestion. Myself, I learned off the version of HTML reference that preceeded this page on the obsolete version of Netscape DevEdge (if I could find the version I used, I'd link to it, but it's mostly outdated info anyway). Other than that, I learned by example. Here's a start: <html> <head> <title>Blah</title> </head> <body> Blah. </body> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysbreker Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 start here moos: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/authoring/ It didn't do me any bad they explain the simple stuff and build out from there specifically thse 2 pages are very usefull: the html intro the html cheat sheet Oh and one last tip, if you want to learn it properly, start editing your files in notepad. you'll learn the most that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 I personally like http://www.sitepoint.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattsius Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 I'm very new to HTML myself and the page that I have been working on is in a very early stage of production (man that sounded professional ). Anyways, this site could be of some use. I have used it a bit, but I haven't read everything there so I don't know if it's that good. Worth a look though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefoot Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 I can't really point a site out to learn those stuff... I probably used some sources to borrow HTML from... and a website here and there to learn about some other tags... PHP, for me, is quite intuitive since I programm for my job... as for the syntax I used the PHP manual downloadable from http://www.php.net/; the same goes for http://www.mysql.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fov Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 what is PHP? -emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not again... Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 Originally posted by Moosferatu Ok, I have a question. I have been kicking around the idea for some time of trying to make a website. Unfortunately, I do not know HTML, PHP, or the what not yet. I was wondering where or how you guys learned that kind of thing. Links to good websites, books, or any other type of help would be much appretiated. Thanks a lot. Personally, I never touch any of that stuff as I'm useless at remembering all the html syntax (I save my memory for Broken Sword plots ). the whole of my site ( http://www.junipercrescent.com ) was put together using a WYSIWYG editor called Namo Webeditor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabacco Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by fov what is PHP? -emily PHP stands for (you're not going to believe this ): "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" It kinda reminds me of a Dilbert strip with "The TTP Project" (it's short for "The TTP Project") Anyway, basically it's a programming language that's embedded into regular HTML code and gets parsed by the server before being sent along to you, the end user. It lets you do nifty stuff like dynamic pages. For example, you'll notice you're looking at showthread.php right now. What showthread.php actually contains is a blank template for a topic page in HTML, with PHP instructions telling the server how to get the right topic from the database and fill in the template with it. The server does all the PHP stuff and fills the resulting data into the template, then sends the completed page to you. It's super-simplified, but good enough And Moos, I can help you with PHP and HTML if you want. Just IM me or something. Or, alternatively, if you're in a radically different timezone than me, I hereby volunteer Marek to answer questions Also, for the basic HTML tags, check out: http://devedge.netscape.com/library/manuals/1998/htmlguide/ It's out of date really, but the basics are still pretty much the same and t's a good reference. This MSDN article might also be useful to you: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnhtmau/html/beghtml.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosferatu Posted June 26, 2003 Author Share Posted June 26, 2003 Thanks, a lot. I have found quite a bit on those sites. I already have a basic understanding of what is going on from updating the Church of Tim. I just need to look deeper into the actual designing of sites. Speaking of the church, I wonder where Kingz is? Anyway, Doug, thanks for the offer. I currently not using any IM service while I am in America this summer. But I might take you up on your offer later this year. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabacco Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Well, you can always e-mail me Where are you at, btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadworm222 Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I started with a program called Aracnophilia. It was not a wysiwyg-editor, but a text editor with buttons like "Image", "link", etc, and by clicking those buttons, an appropriate piece of code would be inserted into the textfile. From there I moved to Notepad+, which is a plain text editor. I also taught myself JavaScript, mostly by copying other people's code and a website which probably already has disappeared. For a while I followed Webmonkey. And of course I got better image manipulation programs and Flash and other sorts of things. EDIT: much, much later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Flash is a bad start to learn making web sites though. Always learn HTML and stylesheets first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosferatu Posted June 26, 2003 Author Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by tabacco Well, you can always e-mail me Where are you at, btw? Right now I am at my grandparents cabin in the Upper Peninsula Michigan, but I live in Budapest Hungary (at least for the next few years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twifkak Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by tabacco PHP stands for (you're not going to believe this ): "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" It kinda reminds me of a Dilbert strip with "The TTP Project" (it's short for "The TTP Project") It's a much more common phenomenon than those two. I also just remembered http://www.webreference.com/ . It also has a section on pure design (layout, creating "motion," other things I don't know about without reading the thing), if you're into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twifkak Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by Moos I currently not using any IM service while I am in America this summer. Not even with AIM Express and ICQ2Go? Originally posted by deadworm222 I started with a program called Aracnophilia. It was not a wysiwyg-editor, but a text editor with buttons like "Image", "link", etc, and by clicking those buttons, an appropriate piece of code would be inserted into the textfile. HomeSite is another of such. Originally posted by The Boos Right now I am at my grandparents cabin in the Upper Peninsula Michigan, but I live in Budapest Hungary (at least for the next few years). Say hello to the Wolverines for me. Not like I know them. I'm just having fun with google and vbml. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomStLeger Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I use 1st Page 2000 (it's a little old now, but it works). It has a very good preview function, as well as a multitude of options and nice pretty colours to help you easily read your own html. Top notch. Unfortunately its getting harder to find. Do a little searching on google if you're interested (its seriously very good imo). Sadly the makers, Evrsoft, never released version 3 which has supposedly been in production since 2000. The sites still up, with an active forum but it seems an inactive dev team: http://www.evrsoft.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twifkak Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 And if you really want to use a WYSIWYG, my recommendation (though, last time I looked at it, it was version 2) is Dreamweaver. I produces(d) the cleanest looking code I've seen from a WYSIWYG. It also has a builtin in text editor to let you edit your code alongside the W...G view, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingzjester Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 I am affraid I have created a monster... It seems that people have something against my unorthodox code, Moos, so all that you have learned while aprenticed with your uncle Kingzjester you should unlearn as fast as you can. If you get some home that is PHP friendly (say... mixnmojo) I could give you the updating script I made for the Church. What kind of site do you wanna make, anyhow? Here to answer any and all your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curacao Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by twifkak It also has a builtin in text editor to let you edit your code alongside the W...G view, which is nice. so's frontpage got that. It's necessary there tho cos of all the sh!t the program puts in .. it's for people too lazy to type out everything themselves but with enough knowledge to clean up the code later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Okay, the whole world pretty much agrees that for professional web design Frontpage = evil. It produces convoluted code that sometimes even contains tags and extensions that only work with Microsoft products. Macromedia Dreamweaver is pretty much the industry standard for web development. (What twifkak said). The best way to learn HTML basics is to use notepad though. Even if you want to use a WYSIWYG editor, it's really useful to know how things work under the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twifkak Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Originally posted by curacao so's frontpage got that. It's necessary there tho cos of all the sh!t the program puts in .. it's for people too lazy to type out everything themselves but with enough knowledge to clean up the code later That's the thing. 1)Dreamweaver doesn't put that **** in. 2)Dreamweaver is more likely to correctly interpret and integrate with its W...G hand-produced code. 3)What Marek said. 4)Loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fov Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 HomeSite is another of such. homesite is a *great* program. i didn't mention it before because i couldn't remember what it was called. i used this for several years but lost access to it when i left my old job. the great thing about homesite (or a similar product) is that since it fills in the tags for you, you learn them as you go along, but without having to look them up every time you need them... thanks for the PHP explanation! i'm not sure i get it... but it sounds like something i don't need to know! emily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragou Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 As always, the best way to learn things is to look at examples and how other people did the thing and then do a little copy and paste and editing for yourself. After that is almost all you need the specification which you will find at http://www.w3c.org/. XHTML and CSS2 is what is appropriate nowadays. Oh, and don't expect that your webpage will look the same in every browser. IE and old netscapes (4.x) are notorious for not following standards in a good manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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