Jediism?

[Joetheeskimo]

Why would you have a problem with Harry Potter (a better selling book series than the King James Bible, according to the Herald Tribune).

 

The reason it's so best selling is because it has witchcraft and magic, which the world loves. J.K. Rowling plainly expresses her anti-Christ attitude.

 

Sure, Lord of of the Rings also has magic and evil, but it shows the way the world works, how good will win in the end. But Harry Potter is withcraft and evil, and some good characters are cruel and traitorous.

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by joetheeskimo5

The reason it's so best selling is because it has witchcraft and magic, which the world loves. J.K. Rowling plainly expresses her anti-Christ attitude.

 

Sure, Lord of of the Rings also has magic and evil, but it shows the way the world works, how good will win in the end. But Harry Potter is withcraft and evil, and some good characters are cruel and traitorous.

what the hell are you talking about?

uhmm... what you say makes absolutely no sense.

[lukeskywalker1]

lol, sith. You really dont get it.

 

a better selling book series than the King James Bible, according to the Herald Tribune

 

That matters because?

 

Huh? True? It has a couple of references to the post-WWII/Glasnost cleanups, a little foreign politics, and is a big parody of a boarding school novel, but beyond that?

 

Dude, harry potter is a member of a religion. The books talk about the religion.

 

it is accepted as a religion though technically it isn't.

 

 

Same with christianity relationship with Jesus.

 

 

seems ok to me. No more stupid then any other religion

and the idea of chi been round a hell of a lot longer then Star wars

 

Thats obvious Just renamed Jediism.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by joetheeskimo5

The reason it's so best selling is because it has witchcraft and magic, which the world loves. J.K. Rowling plainly expresses her anti-Christ attitude.

 

This clearly would fit in with the "why... bash christianity?" thread.... because christians get hyped up about this kind of thing. There is no more a reality to "witchcraft and magic" than with "virgin birth," "walking on water," and "healing the blind." Christians get bothered when a fictional hero displays some magic that their so-called messiah should have exclusive rights to.

 

One fictional character is "one-upping" the other. If christ existed he was a man. No magic. No god. No supernatural gift. Just superstition and belief.

 

If you don't like Harry Potter, don't read it. At least kids are showing a desire to read with the Harry Potter craze... They spend less time in front of the television and more time with reading and comprehension. This is probably the real reason fundamentalist christians have an issue with HP... kids won't read a 2000 year old work of fiction, but they will one from the year 2000.

[Homuncul]

"walking on water,"

 

I heard that a story of how Christ walked the watr. He was a carpenter's son and I might say Abraham was atlent. When Christ was a boy, he made him wooden shoes. But he messed it up cauze he wanted Jesus to wear them for all of his life. So he made them quite large. In fact they were so large they could easily be called wooden flippers. So when Christ walked the water he was actually using these light wooden flippers. The problem with them was that he couldn't just stay in one place while doing it, so he actually had to run with the speed of Ferrari not to drown. Run Forest,.... RRRRUUUUNNNN FFFFOOOORRRRRREEESSSTTT!

[C'jais]

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

Dude, harry potter is a member of a religion. The books talk about the religion.

 

So what? Is any other religion than Christianity your enemy? Even if HP was a member of another religion, it's not your damn business to try and "save" kids reading the damn book. No, they cannot practice magic and "witchcraft" because they read it.

 

Imagine if 2000 years from now, HP would become the most important religion. HP can do magic and save people. Why is that different from Christianity? It's fiction - one and the same.

 

Same with christianity relationship with Jesus.

 

Yes, and I have a relationship with my teddy bear. The difference? None. Is it magic if it talks to me? No. It's a relationship.

 

Call it whatever you damn well want. It's still religion.

 

Thats obvious Just renamed Jediism.

 

Now you're misrepresenting the idea of Chi with your demon talk again. It has nothing to do with demons. Nothing.

 

Get Homuncul to explain it for you, if he wants to. He knows more about it than I do anyway.

[ShadowTemplar]

Originally posted by joetheeskimo5

The reason it's so best selling is because it has witchcraft and magic, which the world loves.

 

Not relevant.

 

J.K. Rowling plainly expresses her anti-Christ attitude.

 

Not once in over 1500 pages does any one anti-religious sentence appear. Nor for that matter any pro-religious sentence. That is simply a subject that those books do not touch upon.

 

Sure, Lord of of the Rings also has magic and evil, but it shows the way the world works, how good will win in the end.

 

It will, eh? Then why don't you stop using your faith like a blunt instrument. When it's gonna be a happy ending anyway, why do you bother? Clearly you don't even believe what you post yourself.

 

But Harry Potter is withcraft and evil, and some good characters are cruel and traitorous.

 

Have you read the books? How do you know anything about the characters? Just because the bad guys have names, and aren't just 'Orc 1423', it doesn't mean that they are described as being good. Actually, having the 'heroes' do bad things and have bad motives, and having the 'villains' do good things and have good motives, occationally, is a mark of quality.

 

That matters because?

 

Because you keep telling me that the Bible is oh-so-good, because it's the best selling book ever. Not only is it horse droppings, but it's not even correct anymore.

 

Dude, harry potter is a member of a religion. The books talk about the religion.

 

Oh. I must have missed it. Would you please name it, so that I can look for it next time I read the series cover-to-cover?

 

Same with christianity relationship with Jesus.

 

No. Buddism is not a religion, because it does not contain reference to supernatural beings. Christianity is a religion (a religion is an organized (check), ritualized (check) worship (check) of one or more supernatural beings (check)). Q. e. d.

[ninja]

i dont know but for some reason i kinda see jedi's as kinda like futuristic samurai's. they wear like the asian style cloths and what else they carry blades.

 

and also come on people lets not get into the subject of bashing other peoples religions, i mean theres some things i can say about every religion but then i would get flamed. all that counts is that whatever religion you choose if you have chose, whatever it may be, if it makes you a better person then go for it. the topic is what jediism is about really correct?

[Homuncul]

C'Jais:

Now you're misrepresenting the idea of Chi with your demon talk again. It has nothing to do with demons. Nothing.

 

Get Homuncul to explain it for you, if he wants to. He knows more about it than I do anyway.

 

Yeah! Man! I doo....... ah..... I forgot....what I wanted to say

 

Well no I didn't. I wear glasses and only got to read a couple of sentences from Luke's post about chatting with chi-men. Luke, look, it was all a big joke. They were just kidding, Qi is great and it has much more to do with philosofy than religion.

 

I wonder if ninja came here by the call of chi. Hail ya, noble samurai. I'm one of your kind. I'm not only agreed with what you say: "...all that counts is that whatever religion you choose if you have chose, whatever it may be, if it makes you a better person then go for it" .

 

Religion is basically about dictatorship and some superstitious rituals and worship. You as ninja should know better the meaning of a ritual. This is not the way at all.

 

About chi. If it really was The Chi then it's a central point of all chinese philosophy. And in my own experience it has nothing to do with religion at all.

 

The vital force that is seen to course through all of us is known as "Chee," "Chi" or "Qi" in Chinese and "Ki" in Japanese. There is no exact meaning or definition of this concept as it encompasses more than just vital force "everything in the universe, organic and inorganic, is composed of and defined by its Qi

 

Qi is divided into the opposites of yin (negative) and yang (positive). "Polarity is the most pervasive principle of the manifest material universe, providing the boundless dynamic force which makes the world go round" (1994, Reid 24)."Without polarity material worlds and physical bodies could not exist, and without polar fields energy could not function, essence could not take form, and the rhythmic cycles of nature could not transpire" (24). However, "there are no absolutes" and "yin and yang must, necessarily, contain within themselves the possibility of opposition and change" (1983, Kaptchuk 8). Thus, the Chinese "hypothesized the principles of Yin and Yang as the major philosophical counterparts revealing the phenomena of nature" (1986, Shen 134). "From these principles, three systems were derived: the five elements (wood, fire, earth, metal, water), the Zang Fu (internal organs), and the meridian system" (134). I can post a bit on this but I guess it's worth a book to read.

 

Many exercises are known as "Qigong" or "Chee Kung" in Chinese and "Kiko" or "Ki Atsu" in Japanese and have much in common with Indian Yoga. There are Ki healers, Ki warriors such as martial artists (ushu and jiujutsu are bases for chinese and japanese martial arts)

 

Many of the most skeptical Western researchers explain the benefits of Qi exercises, without using the foreign concept Qi, as follows:

 

Since such excercises generally include a mixture of low-impact isometrics and stretching exercises, the physical health benefits should be obvious. As for mental and spiritual benefits, these can be explained in two ways. One is the simple fact that regular exercise is good for one's mind and promotes a feeling of physical well- being. More interesting perhaps is the proved effect that meditative-type mental- relaxation excercises can have on one's health. It has been proved that if one forces one's mind to relax, then one's blood pressure, respiratory rate, and so on, are reduced.

 

the famous quote of Arthur C. Clarke is relevant here. It looks like magic what ki healers do, or great masters of martial art. And due to the preference to different experience people are divided in those who consider it a religion and those who consider it just physics of our body and of our universe. Either way it's one of the most rational (even with religion Qi cauze these rituals are all based on meditation and all) known way to perfect yourself in the world. It's not even questioneable till this moment

 

Mostly I talked to masters who do not consider it to be religious aspect and being magical at all. No demons here of course. The whole Jediism is a religion based on Qi concept.

 

The Qi = The Force. Samurai = Jedi Knights.

[ninja]

well i know more or less about the chi and ki stuff. everything i'm about to say is mixed up in different peices in my head so i hope this comes out right. but i know budhism plays a part in japanese history. and i also look at the chinese fighting monks. if i'm correct both japanese samurai's and chinese fighting monks believe in whats called ZEN Budhism. my family are budhists, i guess the ones that are the regular budhists. i think zen budhism came from by protecting the people from being slaughtered from what i remember from invasions and stuff. but budhism is very deep and i dont wanna comment on it really. so i guess jedi's could have derived from all of that. lol maybe george lucas is a budhist.

[Thrackan Solo]

Because you keep telling me that the Bible is oh-so-good, because it's the best selling book ever. Not only is it horse droppings, but it's not even correct anymore.

 

 

WHY DOES EVERY FREAKING DANG POST IN THIS FORUM TURN INTO A CHRISTIAN BASHING THREAD?

 

I am tired of coming here and all the threads turning into "Lets Bash the Christians"

 

 

Not all Christians feel the same way about Harry Potter.

 

And this thread is about Jediism not Christianity so whoever keeps playing the "Its better than Christianity" card , please stop.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Thrackan Solo

[bAnd this thread is about Jediism not Christianity so whoever keeps playing the "Its better than Christianity" card , please stop. [/b]

 

Ironically enough, it was from a LF member who's screen name is LukeSkywalker... and his conversation between two guys named Guy.

[lukeskywalker1]

ROFL... 5 guys named GUY

 

actually, read the post before my first post

 

Oh yeah, it's based on faith in Force providence. I'm much more for Jediism than for Christianity.

 

Homoncul said that. Anyways, i barley mentioned christianity in my convo (at least the parts i posted)

 

lol maybe george lucas is a budhist.

 

Heard he had a protestant backround. But i dont know a thing about protestants, i plan to check out what they believe later. I know its some sort of christian denomination.

 

Not once in over 1500 pages does any one anti-religious sentence appear. Nor for that matter any pro-religious sentence. That is simply a subject that those books do not touch upon.

 

Its not in the books, but she has publically, or privatly.. well she has said that she doesnt support christianity at all.

 

It will, eh? Then why don't you stop using your faith like a blunt instrument. When it's gonna be a happy ending anyway, why do you bother? Clearly you don't even believe what you post yourself.

 

its all perspective.

 

because it's the best selling book ever.

 

You said KJV, what about NIV, NCV, and the living bible? Put all versions together, and im sure it outsells HP.

 

Oh. I must have missed it. Would you please name it, so that I can look for it next time I read the series cover-to-cover?

 

Its not in the books. The religion is simple called witchcraft. Yes, witchcraft is considered a religion today. And HP is obviousy witchcraft, because well.. .he is a male witch or sorcerer (spelling ) whatever you call it.

 

The woman herself has admitted the spells are real, and she just made up words to replace the latin in the books.

 

Actually, having the 'heroes' do bad things and have bad motives, and having the 'villains' do good things and have good motives, occationally, is a mark of quality.

 

But heroes do good, and villians do bad. Make the villian do good, and the heros do bad, switches the roles, which makes the villian, the hero, and the hero the villian.

[Eldritch]

Originally posted by wildjedi

OK, I'm a Christian and for some reason, that conversation just completely freaked me out. I'm beginning to feel the same way about this as I did about my family wanting to watch Harry Potter movies. I feel sorry that people are interested in this.

 

I feel that Christianity is not religion. Rather, it is a relationship with God's son, Jesus. In that sense, how can Jediism be the same religion when they don't even mention Jesus, let alone admit to a relationship?

 

Let me preface my response by saying I don't want to spark another huge war, but I feel compelled to say something, because what you said just doesn't sit well with me.

 

1. You condone Star Wars yet Harry Potter is something that your family should avoid?

 

2. Jediism isn't the same religion - that's kind of the point. It doesn't have to mention Jesus (or any kind of relationship with him or his Daddy) to qualify as a religion. There is more than just Christianity out there... hard as that may be for you to accept.

 

3. You feel Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with God's son, Jesus. You did say you were a Christian earlier though, so I say that holds you to the tenants of Christianity. As such, who are you to interpret the bible (and it's message) to suit your whims or your personally beliefs? By not following what the Bible says (you already have your own ideas about things), wouldn't that make you some kind of heretic?

 

Why can you create your own unique religion (since it's obviously not Christian) but others aren't free to do the same? Seems a little egotistic to assume that you're the only one that can create a new belief system.

 

 

 

EDIT: Ahh, now I remember why I stopped coming to the Senate. Too many closed-minded folk. How can new ideas be formed and developed if they cannot be freely discussed? I'm not trying to make some sweeping general statement, but many of the religious people (not all) are interested in keeping the world small, manageable, and familiar.

That's all well and good if you want to stay right where you are, but if you ever want to advance you might want to widen the lense and pan out a bit to catch some of the bigger picture.

There's a whole wide world out there when you're ready to come out of "Plato's cave."

[ShockV1.89]

Originally posted by Eldritch

There's a whole wide world out there when you're ready to come out of "Plato's cave."

Best... quote... ever...

[Writer]

1. You condone Star Wars yet Harry Potter is something that your family should avoid?

 

I didn't say anything about Star Wars. There are some things in there that I can't agree with.

 

2. Jediism isn't the same religion - that's kind of the point. It doesn't have to mention Jesus (or any kind of relationship with him or his Daddy) to qualify as a religion. There is more than just Christianity out there... hard as that may be for you to accept.

 

That was my point. In the conversations that lukeskywalker1 had with those guys, one of them said that it was the same. I was just saying it's not.

 

I know full well that there are other things besides Christianity. Where did you get the idea that I feel Christianity is the only thing?

 

3. You feel Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with God's son, Jesus. You did say you were a Christian earlier though, so I say that holds you to the tenants of Christianity. As such, who are you to interpret the bible (and it's message) to suit your whims or your personally beliefs? By not following what the Bible says (you already have your own ideas about things), wouldn't that make you some kind of heretic?

 

Interpret the Bible? Where did I do that?

 

As for suiting my whims and personal beliefs, I don't see how that could be true. Do you realize how many people agree with me? It's not because I'm some kind of super powerful person. It's because it's not my own ideas, but the realities of somebody more powerful than anything I could ever imagine. Many people I know would agree.

[Cosmos Jack]

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

As it turns out, it has nothing to do with Jedi.. or anything else. It has something to do with a religion called Chi, what ever that is Heard its something to do with demons and stuff, so im staying out of it

I have heard of this before a few years ago. They were doing a census and some people opted to put "Jedi" for there religion. LOL

 

Anyway if Jediism is really CHI than why go and call it Jediism? It's like they were thinking "DAM people take us to seriously we need to rename our beliefs so people will think we are silly."

 

I personally think it has nothing to do with Chi. While it might be similar in concept it's a coop out a way of making a excuse. It's no different from Trekkers Dressing up like Klingons and actually learning and knowing the language.

 

While I like Star Wars I'm not about to start preying to George Lucas any time soon. I'm surprised as law suit happy as Lucas is he hasn't nipped this in the bud. I guess he most look over it as sick fans that will be waiting in line at his next movie.

 

I hope Lucas D@Ms them all to hell lol

[ninja]

ok just drop it before adminstrators come in.

[Eldritch]

Originally posted by wildjedi

I didn't say anything about Star Wars. There are some things in there that I can't agree with.

You didn't say anything about Star Wars, but the fact that you are spending time on a Star Wars-related website is strong proof that you approve.

That was my point. In the conversations that lukeskywalker1 had with those guys, one of them said that it was the same. I was just saying it's not.

If you were just saying it's not, then I misunderstood you, and I apologize.

I know full well that there are other things besides Christianity. Where did you get the idea that I feel Christianity is the only thing?

From this statement, taken from your post, "[...] how can Jediism be the same religion when they don't even mention Jesus, let alone admit to a relationship?"

Seems like you're saying that all religions must mention Jesus (or have some sort of relationship with him) to be counted... I may be interpreting you wrong, though. Correct me if I am.

Interpret the Bible? Where did I do that?

Perhaps the fact that instead of accepting what the Bible says verbatim, you're applying your own thoughts and ideas to an already existing belief system. You say yourself you believe that it's a relationship with Jesus that matters, and are overlooking other factors that are unsuitable. Seems like interpretation to me.

 

As for suiting my whims and personal beliefs, I don't see how that could be true. Do you realize how many people agree with me? It's not because I'm some kind of super powerful person. It's because it's not my own ideas, but the realities of somebody more powerful than anything I could ever imagine. Many people I know would agree.

No, I don't realize how many people agree with you, but it's really irrelevant. More support does not necessarily equal truth.

I don't see how you're so sure of the "reality" of the beliefs you suggest, but it really has nothing to do with this thread.

 

The focus of the thread is Jediism. The fact that the name of the religion is taken from a sci-fi movie is irrelevant - their ideas share many similarities with Buddhism and other Eastern philosophies. To me, Jediism has as much a right to be taken seriously as any other belief system out there - perhaps not as a religion (technically speaking, it doesn't meet all the requirements for a religion), but as a philosophy it's right on.

[Shotokan]

Originally posted by wildjedi

I feel that Christianity is not religion. Rather, it is a relationship with God's son, Jesus. In that sense, how can Jediism be the same religion when they don't even mention Jesus, let alone admit to a relationship?

 

Amen dude (not being sarcastic either. I am a Christian too in case you must know. )

[Writer]

Seems like you're saying that all religions must mention Jesus (or have some sort of relationship with him) to be counted.

 

Not at all. In the conversation between luke and the guys, one of them mentioned that Jediism was the same as Christianity. There are other religions out there with followers as devoted to them as I am to Christ. All I was saying is that Jediism is not the same.

[Thrackan Solo]

To me, Jediism has as much a right to be taken seriously as any other belief system out there - perhaps not as a religion (technically speaking, it doesn't meet all the requirements for a religion), but as a philosophy it's right on.

 

Thats the first smart thing i heard in this thread, it seems more like a idea to me than a religion, a.k.a philosophy.

[Homuncul]

Jediism fit every parameter to be called religion:

 

World View: Jediism world view united many religions. It's base is Zen Buddhism and Christianity

 

Rituals: "May the Force be with you" ritual, becoming one with the Force, crimation of Jedi after death.

 

Faith: worshipping the Force is central to a Jedi's life.

 

Book of books: Star Wars movies

 

Prophet: Lucas George

 

Commendments and Dogmas: Well you know all of them yourselves

 

Structure (Dictatorship): the head of the holy church Lucas himself is infallable in telling Star Wars stories. Even if somethings is not fit with something that he says, we just take it for granted. Propaganda is quite comparable with The Holy Church itself. You can buy a lightsaber handle or Vader's helmet and stuff almost anywhere in the world.

 

The other thing with Jediism is that it's imaginary utopian and in principle is more fit with today pop culture than perhaps again christianity. People follow it cauze it's simple. It only obliges you to say "and may the force be with you" at the end of every statement..... and may the force be with you. And it gives a great autotraining refering to yourself as a noble keeper of peace and justice in the galaxy.

[Joetheeskimo]

Originally posted by Homuncul

Book of books: Star Wars movies

 

Prophet: Lucas George

 

I thought that the guys Luke was talking with was saying jediism had nothing to do with Lucas or the Star Wars movies/books. So why are you saying that Lucas is their prophet and his movies are their "book of books"?

[Thrackan Solo]

Originally posted by joetheeskimo5

I thought that the guys Luke was talking with was saying jediism had nothing to do with Lucas or the Star Wars movies/books. So why are you saying that Lucas is their prophet and his movies are their "book of books"?

 

Yeah on the website I saw nothing of George Lucas being a "prophet" or Star Wars Movies being like a "Bible."