The more disturbing issues of our time: Bouncing Boobs

[BlackDove]

Ah, here we are, yet again. Ok, let's cut to the chase.

 

First and foremost, I was directed by one of the moderators to post here - but if this isn't the material for this forum, please move it with a notice on where it's going - thank you

 

In the "Yoda's Swamp" forum, a person with a handler name "gorganfloss" has made a post, and after they made their post, their avatar was revealed to be a female anime character in the form of a .gif that had been jumping up and down, and in the focus of this avatar, were her big, large or humongous and presumably very soft, breasts. (< Note my opinion of thinking there's nothing wrong with describing breasts or any other part of the human body, re-stated below)

 

Now, this avatar was removed by a moderator, because they found it to be a... problem. Here's a quote anyway.

 

Cartoon clothed boobies are fine, so long as they are not bouncing. The bouncing avatar was discussed by all the mods and admins the first time it reared it's ugly head, and there was an outbreak of them, and we all agreed that it was not appropriate for this forum and degrading to women. Same way a bouncing penis avatar would not be allowed.

 

 

I know the concept of degrading to women is not familiar to a lot of you sexists.

 

If you have anything else to say about it, oh dear, we don't care.

 

Now, I'd like to break that down, but not starting from the top.

 

If you have anything else to say about it, oh dear, we don't care.

 

Now, it's quite possible I am mistaken, but I hoped that a member's opinion counted, especially due to the fact that many moderators are picked from amongst the membership, and are (hopefully) rated according to past behaviour, and expressed opinions. So I was kind of hoping the above is not true, but I guess that's up to the admins to decide. If that's true, then I assume this thread can and will be closed with no replies.

 

Anyway, on a chance that isn't true - I'll continue

 

Cartoon clothed boobies are fine, so long as they are not bouncing. The bouncing avatar was discussed by all the mods and admins the first time it reared it's ugly head, and there was an outbreak of them, and we all agreed that it was not appropriate for this forum and degrading to women. Same way a bouncing penis avatar would not be allowed.

 

I know the concept of degrading to women is not familiar to a lot of you sexists.

 

Okay, I was hoping to get an answer on why the still boobs were okay, but the bouncing ones weren't? All in all, they're the same, it's just that the bouncing ones take attention to themselves, while they are showing-off how bouncy, and breast-a-licious they are (a mathematical volume thing).

 

I can understand if it was massively used, how it would be degrading for the forum, but the last time I checked, time does flow, and the only person I saw in this instant to use it, was gorganfloss. Also, I would assume that if many people started using still pictures of drawn, covered up breasts, it would also be degrading the forum, or would I be wrong in that assumption?

 

However - what I can-not fathom, is how is that picture insulting to women? Unless you are coming from a conservative radical-feminist point of view, which the last time I checked had nothing to do with our position as the human species, I was wondering how that particular part of the human body would be insulting to the same gender? I would assume if someone posted a drawn overweight man (example used because of the gravity issues - where an overweight man is likely to have more fat in his breasts, therefore they would be achieving a very similar reaction in comparison to the female breasts) in a .gif, that the image would be recieving humourous reactions rather than negative ones (werther or not it would be degrading for the forums, should it be mass-used, I do not know).

 

In my everyday, as well as my internet life, I was always under the notion that breasts themselves, on a female or a male, aren't part of the genital complex. Comparing a penis to breasts is like comparing apples and oranges. It's just not in the same category. For the part of people who like the avatar being sexist - I would have to disagree there, because I like it, and even though I am a sexist, I choose to view the avatar from a standpoint that the human body is a natural thing, no matter which gender is in question.

 

In any case, that is all I wanted to explore. Thank you for reading.

[leXX]

Wow, someone really likes that avatar don't they?

 

And so begins "the boobgate scandal".

 

I for one will not have a discuission with someone who is admitidly a sexist, but I will say that if the general opinion of this forum is the same as yours, I won't bother returning.

[Surfnshannon]

Sorry 2 outta (how many girls that go to the swamp) find it offensive. So I think it should have been removed purely because it could be viewed as Sexual Harrasment by the female forumers of this community.

[obi]

I don't think he's obsessed with the avatar, I think he's just trying to make a point in a civilized manner, which he has done here. He's presented his views, and has posted why his views are like that. I think the fact that the thread is about this should have nothing to do with judging his character.

 

I happen to somewhat agree as well. I don't think it's that bad. But if the women feel offended by it (which two have said they are), I'm sure that they just aren't trying to cause a scene, and they really are offended.

 

However, I'd also like to say this-

 

BlackDove currently has an avatar of an anime male that in which you can see his chest.

 

I am not offended.

[Surfnshannon]

Now that you mention it obi - it kinda does look like Black Dove's avi's boobs (err chest) is bouncing....

[leXX]

Originally posted by obi-wan13

I don't think he's obsessed with the avatar, I think he's just trying to make a point in a civilized manner, which he has done here. He's presented his views, and has posted why his views are like that. I think the fact that the thread is about this should have nothing to do with judging his character.

 

I didn't say he wasn't presenting his views in a civilized manner. I simply will not bother having a discussion with a sexist, because anything I say will fall on deaf ears, and would be a complete waste of my time.

 

BlackDove currently has an avatar of an anime male that in which you can see his chest.

 

I am not offended.

 

That comment was immature. A man's chest is not a sexual part of his body.

 

 

The question here is why are we offended by a picture of bouncing boobs. Let me break it down for you.

 

It is hard enough for the women in this forum to feel comfortable as it is. We are faced with many stereotypes such as we are rubbish at games, don't like Star Wars, we must be ugly to be posting here etc etc. A picture of bouncing boobs belittles us further. It is a symbol of male dominance, which says one thing, women are nothing but sexual objects to be gawked at.

 

It is also inapropriate for this forum. We have a certain standard to maintain seeing as there are a high number of younger members. Allowing an avatar like that can lead to a number of other similar avatars, and this is a family forum (the Star Wars forum at least).

 

Would it be ok to allow a picture of an animated covered bouncing penis? No it wouldn't. And yes, boobs fall into the same category. Both are sexual parts of the body that if presented uncovered on this forum, would be considered porn. Would it be ok to allow a picture of real boobs bouncing up and down? No it wouldn't. The fact that the avatar is a cartoon makes no difference.

 

I myself have boobs in my avatar, so as you can see, I am not offended by pictures of boobs, so long as they are presented in a decent manner. If someone was to have a picture of just boobs, then I would consider it offensive aswell, for the reasons stated above.

[Weiser_Cain]

Having not seen the avatar, I can't really comment on this particular case. But, in principal, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Now I'm not for all out porn on the site(or any really). But it seems pretty mild when you think(as far as I know) there isn't a single starwars anything, without killing.

It just strikes me as odd that I can spend all day lopping heads and arms off anakin skywalker, but once I come on the forum and see a 70x70 gif showing, oh my god, breast! That this should offend me? Forgive me but I'm a little unimpressed. True I would look at the user that had that as their avatar as a little suspect, maybe a little juvenile, but I think that's a good thing. I know without interacting with that person that we don't see eye to eye on at least one issue.

[leXX]

So it would ok for me to use this as an avatar then?...

 

[Sivy]

lol

 

 

personally i thought gorgan's avatar was harmless, but then thats a male's point of view. if the female's point of view is thats it's offensive then we must respect that.

 

also i realise that if this avatar was allowed then the problem is where to draw the line.

if you rule it all out then there's no room for argument. but if you allow this, then its human nature for people to see how far they can go bending the rules without breaking them.

[edlib]

If anybody finds an avatar offensive for any reason then it should be removed.

 

I've seen people here try to get away with using pictures of Hitler or Stalin, or Nazi symbology,.. and that's not cool either.

 

In the end it's only an avatar, and not being able to use it is definately not the end of the world. There's plenty of forums where if you want to use an avatar like that no one's going to say anything, and you're free to take it there.

 

But if someone here says "Yo! Not here!" then take it down, get over it, and grow up.

[swphreak]

lmao

 

I actually agree with the women. Would you want your penis on the internet bouncing up and down for the world to see and laugh at you for coughwhatever reaoncough? I imagine that's what it's like for them.

 

And frankly, it's not your forum. What the admins choose, is what will be.

[Weiser_Cain]

Originally posted by leXX

So it would ok for me to use this as an avatar then?...

 

 

I don't think it's really fair to compare the two, I see breast everyday, sometimes bouncing. If a woman stood on a street and jumped up and down she wouldn't get arrested. Now if I could make my penis jump around in my bvd's like that and chose to do so it in public, I would. For instance in your avatar I can see it's cleavage, yet no one says anything. Now if I had a picture of a guy in speedo's showing cleavage from his man-root I'd expect to garner a diffrent reaction.

 

Anyway I still say this is silly since neither the games or the movie are pristine. The starwars universe has slaves, drugs, genocide, gungans, and run of the mill murder, plenty of things, in my book that are more offensive than someone's juvenile avatar.

 

I don't know, maybe I'm the one that overreacting? I just don't like the trend I've noticed; everyone becoming more and more thin skined.

[Ray Jones]

i just like to say a female breast is a secondary sexual attribute, while a penis is a primary one.

 

also, wobbling or not is not a question either, not for a penis, breast nor vagina (which would be the "correct" opposite to penis).

 

i now many girls who actually like female breasts and are in no way offended by it or find it degrading, no matter if shown wobbling, naked or err.. in any "normal" sexual context and as long as it is on the "bright side of life" and without prices printed on it. cutting it of would be offending or degrading..

 

but jumpy boobs are not degrading women nor are 'rotating' penises degrading men. it probably just does mean someone is running after the bus.

 

NOT an appropriate avatar? .. hmm. depends, but discussable.

 

 

lexx.. doing this without moving the rest of the body= all mens dream

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by leXX

I didn't say he wasn't presenting his views in a civilized manner. I simply will not bother having a discussion with a sexist, because anything I say will fall on deaf ears, and would be a complete waste of my time.

 

Please leave the personal predisposition crap you carry, in the trash where it belongs. Here's the inside scoop - if this was as personal as you make it out to be, I usually wouldn't give your opinion the time of day just because you are who you present yourself to be, however I have to, because someone somewhere gave you the position of authority (which was justified to the one who gave it to you I guess - but don't worry, we'll come back to that).

 

So don't flatter yourself to be any better than me woman, because your farts doesn't smell any more like flowers than mine do.

 

Okay? Thanks.

 

That comment was immature. A man's chest is not a sexual part of his body

 

I thank you for trying to teach me what is sexual and what is not. Here's some inside fact - I've been having sex since I was 11 years old (for those ignorant to biology - that's two to three years permaturely before males are sexually ready to procreate) - so I think I can safely say that I've had enough training in what is sexual and what isn't (btw, the fact I had sex prematurely doesn't necessarily mean it was rape - only by law). Now I don't know what your experiences are like - but the true inside scoop is that you have no idea what it's like to be a man and therefore are not qualified to judge werther the tip of my toenail is sexual or isn't. In my experience, it _is_ sexual, and since I'm a man I can stand by that fact. See - if what you say is true, then I can say that female breasts are not sexual. But we're giving you the benefit of the doubt (because it has been documented that female breasts are a sexual object) so we're considering it as a sexual thing.

 

Get your facts straight.

 

It is hard enough for the women in this forum to feel comfortable as it is. We are faced with many stereotypes such as we are rubbish at games, don't like Star Wars, we must be ugly to be posting here etc etc. A picture of bouncing boobs belittles us further. It is a symbol of male dominance, which says one thing, women are nothing but sexual objects to be gawked at.

 

Ah, there we are. The real reason. Let me break it down to you.

 

a) You are not the authority on how women feel on this forum - however I would like to hear from other women on this forum that are /not/ your friends, and do not feel that loyalty to ride the same ship you do (see I get to do that because I as a male am the accused one here as the rest of the males on this forum of being women abusers )

b) You are not the authority on deciding for all women on this forum how they feel about their gaming abilities, skills or looks

c) You are not the authority on what is or is not a symbol of male dominance (because you obviously don't understand the concept) and what it is trying to say

 

Now that we broke down the fact that you are indeed not the ruler of this universe, we can safely say that you don't have a point. You only have your opinions which are, to be perfectly honest, not found on anything but your own (horrific as they may be) experiences and the fact that you haven't been schooled enough in the art (yes, I meant to say art) that is the human body. As far as human feelings go in accordance to the human body - in this case the female human body - you can ONLY speak for yourself. The fact that you see yourself as a sexual object for males to gawk at (which is, by the way, true for a big part of this community, supporting your point - but you generalize so I get to kill it) , inept in your skills to hold a game - that's your problem.

You don't see me bitching and whining how females are getting better grades in schools because they are _females_ and how I see them turn on the waterworks to get their grade changed (that's a fact, I've witnessed it MORE than once, and as I've been told other people have) or how the only reason you ever qualified to be a moderator was the fact that you are popular, and the reason you are popular is because you're a female in a male infested community (and you know it, since you obviously hold the male world associated with gawking at you because of your breasts - good call).

 

Let's continue, shall we?

 

It is also inapropriate for this forum. We have a certain standard to maintain seeing as there are a high number of younger members. Allowing an avatar like that can lead to a number of other similar avatars, and this is a family forum (the Star Wars forum at least).

 

Okay, forum/family values. No. You can't say "still boobs are okay, but bouncing ones aren't" and still play the "inapropriate" harp. That's like laughing and then saying "No, it's not funny". Also may I REMIND you that the Star Wars universe is gruesome as well as sexual in itself (you might want to reference YOUR OWN AYALA SECURA THREAD IN YOUR FORUM - which isn't sexual, but downright disturbing because the character is an ailien - therefore of a different species - kind of like trying to insinuate a goat is sexy) - and shot by a live video camera (people were just wearing costumes for the most part - aside from CGI). Here is where you don't have a point about this being a family/good values forum. The bouncing image was an ANIME image (by the way - NOT hentai - I deal a lot with anime and hentai for a website, separating the two, and I _KNOW_ the boundaries) which was drawn by hand.

 

Oh, and while you're on the "values" concept, why don't you go change the ad's for here - they're mostly for whoring or picking up sexual partners. What's that? You can't change them? So money and keeping this place alive is _more_ important than values? Thought so. Thank god, because I'm all for keeping this place alive by any means necessary, as is apparently the one who pays for the server (although it's not something to be shouted with a megaphone)

 

Next.

 

Would it be ok to allow a picture of an animated covered bouncing penis? No it wouldn't. And yes, boobs fall into the same category. Both are sexual parts of the body that if presented uncovered on this forum, would be considered porn. Would it be ok to allow a picture of real boobs bouncing up and down? No it wouldn't. The fact that the avatar is a cartoon makes no difference.

 

Here again you go with the penis. Didn't I tell you above that it just DOESN'T compare? Get the biology straight. It's NOT the same category, and in this instance I don't have to be a woman to realize it because I've had male and female scientists to write books about it for me to read them, backed up by research. Move on, that point was killed by me a long time ago. Also - real boobs that are covered up, bouncing would probably be more amazing than the anime ones - however we're discussing ANIME only here, which is a much lesser charge than the real thing.

 

Next.

 

I myself have boobs in my avatar, so as you can see, I am not offended by pictures of boobs, so long as they are presented in a decent manner. If someone was to have a picture of just boobs, then I would consider it offensive aswell, for the reasons stated above.

 

Congratulations - you at least tolerate it to some end, thank god. However now you say that the image of still breasts is offensive, yet it is acceptable? Get on the proper ship, you can't ride two.

 

Originally posted by Weiser_Cain

Having not seen the avatar, I can't really comment on this particular case. But, in principal, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Now I'm not for all out porn on the site(or any really). But it seems pretty mild when you think(as far as I know) there isn't a single starwars anything, without killing.

It just strikes me as odd that I can spend all day lopping heads and arms off anakin skywalker, but once I come on the forum and see a 70x70 gif showing, oh my god, breast! That this should offend me? Forgive me but I'm a little unimpressed. True I would look at the user that had that as their avatar as a little suspect, maybe a little juvenile, but I think that's a good thing. I know without interacting with that person that we don't see eye to eye on at least one issue.

 

Preach

 

Originally posted by Siv

personally i thought gorgan's avatar was harmless, but then thats a male's point of view. if the female's point of view is thats it's offensive then we must respect that.

 

 

Ah here we are. The waterworks concept I was describing.

 

No we don't.

 

You don't see me screaming how I want to sue Lucas Arts because of the forums "Ayala Secura" thread which deeply disturbs me to no end. Nobody gives a shit about werther I find that, or anything else disturbing or not, unless it's a social history issue. Sorry Siv, but if it doesn't go both ways, it doesn't apply in the real social world. Aren't you women all for equality anyway? If equalibrium doesn't exist on both sides crap like that doesn't apply.

 

PREACH

 

Originally posted by edlib

If anybody finds an avatar offensive for any reason then it should be removed.

 

 

Read above, young grasshopper.

 

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak

I actually agree with the women. Would you want your penis on the internet bouncing up and down for the world to see and laugh at you for coughwhatever reaoncough? I imagine that's what it's like for them.

 

And frankly, it's not your forum. What the admins choose, is what will be.

 

Now things like these just piss me off to no end - sorry to get emotional but this just goes on my nerves.

 

a) Get your schooling straight - stop reading leXX's crap for granted, unless you really feel you are a woman abuser (because if you read more carefully and analyze she actually in her generalistic terms has you pegged for one)

 

b) Never, EVER EVER state me the obvious. I know what the admins can and can not do. I know it, I respect it. This isn't democracy - this is more like tyranny - but as I said above, members opinions _SHOULD_ count. That is why this thread exists. Read my post, not just the one of the female so you would feel safe and secure and every female would love you.

 

and I know I stated the obvious above even though I said it nerves me, but some people just need it when they harp without a point

 

Aside from the replied above, congratulations to some people (you too actually leXX - I was gonna get dissapointed by your first reply) for actually keeping the discussion going.

 

Now, you may insult me as you see fit.

 

Oh sorry, one more thing before I go.

 

Originally posted by STTCT

Sorry 2 outta (how many girls that go to the swamp) find it offensive. So I think it should have been removed purely because it could be viewed as Sexual Harrasment by the female forumers of this community.

 

WHAT? Even if I try to imagine correct spelling - sexual harrasment -

 

Originally posted by BlackDove:

WHAT?

[swphreak]

Oh, and while you're on the "values" concept, why don't you go change the ad's for here - they're mostly for whoring or picking up sexual partners. What's that? You can't change them? So money and keeping this place alive is _more_ important than values? Thought so. Thank god, because I'm all for keeping this place alive by any means necessary, as is apparently the one who pays for the server (although it's not something to be shouted with a megaphone)

 

As you can see here, we are trying to do something witht he ads.

 

Now things like these just piss me off to no end - sorry to get emotional but this just goes on my nerves.

 

Likewise.

 

a) Get your schooling straight - stop reading leXX's crap for granted, unless you really feel you are a woman abuser (because if you read more carefully and analyze she actually in her generalistic terms has you pegged for one)

 

It doesn't really matter if breasts are "second category" sexual classification/whatever. It's still in the sexual category, and not needed here.

 

b) Never, EVER EVER state me the obvious. I know what the admins can and can not do. I know it, I respect it. This isn't democracy - this is more like tyranny - but as I said above, members opinions _SHOULD_ count. That is why this thread exists. Read my post, not just the one of the female so you would feel safe and secure and every female would love you.

 

I've read every post on here. You're just making a big deal over something that was already settled long ago. The person will survive without his bouncing breast avatar.

 

And wow, since 11, you're certainly a special little boy arn't you.

[BlackDove]

Yes I am. And discussions can be revisited.

 

By the way, my friend just told me - would you be insulted if you saw two baby-bottle feeders bouncing?

 

Guess what - the job of the breast is to feed. Primary function. End of discussion on that front.

 

Also, sexual things don't belong here? Get some retrospect kid, go visit the RSN or even better, leXX's forum with the stickied Ayala Secura thread and then come to me with the notions of that not belonging in here (or maybe one of the endless "babe" threads).

 

[edit:] hmm nope, I won't say that because it's not about that right now - maybe next time

[leXX]

And this is a civilized discussion? Heh.

 

Well I really didn't want to waste my breath, but *sigh* it seems I must.

 

Originally posted by BlackDove

Please leave the personal predisposition crap you carry, in the trash where it belongs. Here's the inside scoop - if this was as personal as you make it out to be, I usually wouldn't give your opinion the time of day just because you are who you present yourself to be, however I have to, because someone somewhere gave you the position of authority (which was justified to the one who gave it to you I guess - but don't worry, we'll come back to that).

 

So don't flatter yourself to be any better than me woman, because your farts doesn't smell any more like flowers than mine do.

 

Okay? Thanks.

 

I am neither sexist, racist or homophobic, so believe me, my farts do smell a damn sight sweeter than your foul smelling ones.

 

I thank you for trying to teach me what is sexual and what is not. Here's some inside fact - I've been having sex since I was 11 years old (for those ignorant to biology - that's two to three years permaturely before males are sexually ready to procreate) - so I think I can safely say that I've had enough training in what is sexual and what isn't (btw, the fact I had sex prematurely doesn't necessarily mean it was rape - only by law). Now I don't know what your experiences are like - but the true inside scoop is that you have no idea what it's like to be a man and therefore are not qualified to judge werther the tip of my toenail is sexual or isn't. In my experience, it _is_ sexual, and since I'm a man I can stand by that fact. See - if what you say is true, then I can say that female breasts are not sexual. But we're giving you the benefit of the doubt (because it has been documented that female breasts are a sexual object) so we're considering it as a sexual thing.

 

Get your facts straight.

 

You contradict yourself. You say I am not a man therefore I am not qualified to tell you which part of a mans body is sexual or not. You are not a woman, so you are not qualified to tell me what part of my body is sexual or not. And this leads into another point. You are not a woman, so nothing gives you the right to say what is offensive to a women or not. This one point alone moots everything you say, but I will continue nethertheless.

 

Ah, there we are. The real reason. Let me break it down to you.

 

a) You are not the authority on how women feel on this forum - however I would like to hear from other women on this forum that are /not/ your friends, and do not feel that loyalty to ride the same ship you do (see I get to do that because I as a male am the accused one here as the rest of the males on this forum of being women abusers )

 

No, I'm certainly not the authority on how women feel in this forum. They have and will express their own opinions on this, I'm sure, and I, unlike you, will respect that opinion. Trying to say that anyone who agrees with me on this is only doing so because they feel some sort of loyalty to me is weak.

 

b) You are not the authority on deciding for all women on this forum how they feel about their gaming abilities, skills or looks

 

I was talking about stereotypes. What the hell are you talking about?

 

c) You are not the authority on what is or is not a symbol of male dominance (because you obviously don't understand the concept) and what it is trying to say

 

No, I think it is you who does not understand the concept of male dominance. Perhaps you should look it up.

 

Now that we broke down the fact that you are indeed not the ruler of this universe, we can safely say that you don't have a point.

 

That must mean that you are indeed the ruler of this universe, and only your point matters right?

 

You only have your opinions which are, to be perfectly honest, not found on anything but your own (horrific as they may be) experiences and the fact that you haven't been schooled enough in the art (yes, I meant to say art) that is the human body.

 

No, I know nothing about the human body, and I have two kids to prove it.

 

As far as human feelings go in accordance to the human body - in this case the female human body - you can ONLY speak for yourself. The fact that you see yourself as a sexual object for males to gawk at (which is, by the way, true for a big part of this community, supporting your point - but you generalize so I get to kill it) , inept in your skills to hold a game - that's your problem.

 

The whole point is that I do not see myself as a sexual object for males to gawk at. I guess you missed that.

 

You don't see me bitching and whining how females are getting better grades in schools because they are _females_ and how I see them turn on the waterworks to get their grade changed (that's a fact, I've witnessed it MORE than once, and as I've been told other people have)

 

You just did.

 

or how the only reason you ever qualified to be a moderator was the fact that you are popular, and the reason you are popular is because you're a female in a male infested community (and you know it, since you obviously hold the male world associated with gawking at you because of your breasts - good call).

 

And there we have it. The only reason I was given the position of moderator is the fact that I'm female right? No other reason at all. How very...what's the word...sexist.

 

Let's continue, shall we?

 

 

 

Okay, forum/family values. No. You can't say "still boobs are okay, but bouncing ones aren't" and still play the "inapropriate" harp. That's like laughing and then saying "No, it's not funny". Also may I REMIND you that the Star Wars universe is gruesome as well as sexual in itself (you might want to reference YOUR OWN AYALA SECURA THREAD IN YOUR FORUM - which isn't sexual, but downright disturbing because the character is an ailien - therefore of a different species - kind of like trying to insinuate a goat is sexy) - and shot by a live video camera (people were just wearing costumes for the most part - aside from CGI). Here is where you don't have a point about this being a family/good values forum.

 

I can say bouncing boobs are inappropriate and still ones aren't, because bouncing boobs, as you've said yourself, are purposefully drawing your attention to them, which gives the avatar one purpose and one purpose only, "look boobs!".

 

The bouncing image was an ANIME image (by the way - NOT hentai - I deal a lot with anime and hentai for a website, separating the two, and I _KNOW_ the boundaries) which was drawn by hand.

 

Like I said before, animated or real, makes no difference.

 

Oh, and while you're on the "values" concept, why don't you go change the ad's for here - they're mostly for whoring or picking up sexual partners. What's that? You can't change them? So money and keeping this place alive is _more_ important than values? Thought so. Thank god, because I'm all for keeping this place alive by any means necessary, as is apparently the one who pays for the server (although it's not something to be shouted with a megaphone)

 

I have no more control over the adverts here than you. It' up to the admins to change them. Same way I have no control over the outcome of this thread. If they decide the bouncing boobs stay, so be it. I do however agree with you about the content of the adverts. I do find it laughable that you so strongly object to adverts about whoring or picking up sexual partners, but at the same time argue about this.

 

Next.

 

 

 

Here again you go with the penis. Didn't I tell you above that it just DOESN'T compare? Get the biology straight. It's NOT the same category, and in this instance I don't have to be a woman to realize it because I've had male and female scientists to write books about it for me to read them, backed up by research. Move on, that point was killed by me a long time ago. Also - real boobs that are covered up, bouncing would probably be more amazing than the anime ones - however we're discussing ANIME only here, which is a much lesser charge than the real thing.

 

Next.

 

So you've had male and female scientists write books about it for you, backed up by research. Riiiiiiight. I admit, in todays society, boobs are regarded as a lesser sexual object than a penis. This doesn't change the fact that they are still sexual objects nethertheless.

 

 

Congratulations - you at least tolerate it to some end, thank god. However now you say that the image of still breasts is offensive, yet it is acceptable? Get on the proper ship, you can't ride two.

 

Why don't you actually read what I posted? I said an image of just breasts would be just as offensive, because they would serve the same purpose.

 

 

 

Preach

 

Only people who hold themselves in a higher regard to everyone else, feels they have the right to preach. Kinda funny that, seeing as you accused me of thinking that I held myself in a higher regard than everyone else.

 

 

 

a) Get your schooling straight - stop reading leXX's crap for granted, unless you really feel you are a woman abuser (because if you read more carefully and analyze she actually in her generalistic terms has you pegged for one)

 

I don't have anyone pegged for a woman abuser apart from you, so don't think you can speak for me thank you very much.

 

Aside from the replied above, congratulations to some people (you too actually leXX - I was gonna get dissapointed by your first reply) for actually keeping the discussion going.

 

That statement reeks of arrogance.

[Guest Jed]

Since BlackDove here has decided to act like a male chauvinistic pig, I feel no reason to act civilized in my following criticism. Fair warning.

 

As a male staffer of this joint, I think it's imporant to echo the resentment of the bouncing-breasts avatar. It's quite obvious that this is a unisex board (despite a high male population). If we get complaints from female users who feel offended, we deal with it. We respect all members of our forums, and if they have a problem, we accomodate them. It's been well known around the regulars of Yoda's Swamp that this particular avatar is not allowed.

 

The posts above have shown that certain people refuse to give up their opinions.

 

BlackDove, your opinions on breasts are meaningless. Frankly, I don't give a damn about your stories of having sex when you were 11, which isn't related to this topic. The concensus among the staff is that this avatar is not allowed - you're welcome to question, but you're not welcome to be a sexist asshat. Saying that leXX was chosen to be on our staff due to her gender is completely uncalled for, and your disregard for the members who have voiced their opinions in this thread is not welcome. If I see you insulting my fellow staffers and community members with your sexist attitudes one more time, I will impose a ban, length determined by the administration of this forum.

 

Y'hear? Any more mindless bitching going on in this thread, and I will close it.

[BlackDove]

Yeah, I knew I was going out on a limb stating my... ehh - founded opinions?, so yeah I knew that attacking a staffer - being a lowly member myself, was probably going to get me banned. After all, having negative thoughts of someone who represents the model pattern of behaviour isn't nice to have around, especially if there isn't hardcore proof. Striking though that she can call me racist and homophobic, which is unfounded, yet I'm the one getting warnings.

 

In any case, the only reason I went at your staffer was to prove a point, (see below). This wasn't out of hate or spite, nor out of wish to insult anyone. If I did I truely apologuise.

 

Anyway, if we are to revert to the original question, I was asking why was the descision made about that avatar. People are free to resent the bouncing-breasts avatar (of course), but by creating this thread I was questioning "why?" the administration/moderation who voted on banning the avatar, chose to do so.

 

So in the end - when leXX just above made a point that *men can't define what's insulting to a woman, then what were the men (and here I'm assuming a big number of the voting cabinet) thinking when they voted "yes, it's inapropriate"?

 

How do you decide? Jed, you said you deal with things as members complain to it, so how many people (women in this case) are needed to make a thing offensive?

 

I hope that question wasn't sexist/bashful/abusive. It wasn't meant to be, in any case.

 

Also, another question - am I allowed to ask questions like these?

 

After all, curiosity killed the cat...

 

*=By the way, the people who want to say, "But she was just arguing that to show how you contradicted yourself." - due to the fact that sexuality and offenses aren't connected as infinitives (there is sexual offensivness, but then again there are a lot of other sexual things) - that was her own point, not mine.

 

I didn't contradict myself, she contradicted me, because I said myself that I am not one to decide which part of a female is sexual for the female - the exact thing she repeated.

[Surfnshannon]

Well I'm going to try an experiment. Let's see what kind of reaction I get from the male users of this forum. Let's see what they think of my new avi.

[Agen]

I personally have no problem with the bouncing boobs and can't help but feel like some of the females round here might be slightly over-reacting... I would definately not be offended by a rotating penis in a female dominated community. The avatar (if I'm thinknig of the right one) was light-hearted and was probably intended for a bit of humour. As soon as this place clamps down on not-so-serious sexual or non sexual humour then it isn't worth coming here.

 

Of course though, if people are really offended then it shouldn't be allowed but I believe BD shouldn't be getting a warning just for expressing his views.... even if he comes off as a rascist, sexist or whatever. He may have a string whiff of arrogance around him and a few daft claims about members of staff but the discussion is on the Bouncing Boobs... not him.

[BlackDove]

Originally posted by STTCT

Well I'm going to try an experiment. Let's see what kind of reaction I get from the male users of this forum. Let's see what they think of my new avi.

 

I'm sorry, but that just cracks me up to NO end. And I wish I had as big a package as he does.

[matt--]

Everytime the word 'sexual' is used to describe an issue, the issue becomes controversial. The point is not that it was sexually offensive, it's that it is simply offensive.

 

If any member were to complain to me of an offensive avatar, I would take it into consideration. If it was indeed offensive (within reason), I would ask the user to remove it, then warn the user if he didn't respond, and finally, I would remove it myself.

 

I hope that my staff would do the same...and look at that, they did.

 

This argument is pointless.

[Surfnshannon]

Well look at that - the avi has been removed

 

No boobs and No penus's

 

Guess everything is fairly just.

[matt--]

I like to be consistent, and although no one immediately found it offensive, I thought it conflicted with the idea of a PG forum.

 

Also, the fact that you wish you "had as big a package as he does" is kind of sad, BlackDove.