Getting rid of T3

[Soogz]

No way they should get rid of T3. He is a main part of the story, plus it is always classic to have the two droids, and replacing him with a different droid just doesn't feel right.

[tbl1]

It's like telling luke to get rid of r2d2, telling Face from the a-team to get rid of the 'Vet' (corvette) or BA (Mr. T) to get rid of the van with the red stripe. Telling hassehoff (how ever you spell it) to get rid of knightrider, the dukes of hazard to get rid of the confederate flag on top of their car. Can't think of any other than cars.

[RedHawke]

I repeat: T3 pwns! All those who say otherwise must have never actually used him...

 

Telling hassehoff (how ever you spell it) to get rid of knightrider

*Puts on 80's TV show geek hat*

 

Michael Knight's car was called KITT...

 

Though I'm a fan of KITT's evil twin KARR myself!

 

*Flees thread before being pelted with rotten fruit for knowing this*

[Jae Onasi]

It's like telling luke to get rid of r2d2, telling Face from the a-team to get rid of the 'Vet' (corvette) or BA (Mr. T) to get rid of the van with the red stripe. Telling hassehoff (how ever you spell it) to get rid of knightrider, the dukes of hazard to get rid of the confederate flag on top of their car. Can't think of any other than cars.

 

Like Jaime Sommers and Steve Austin without their Bionics, or Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto without their defibrillator, or Reed and Malloy without their police badges....

Like MacGyver without, well, I guess that one won't work since he could build anything out of duct tape, paper clips, Q-tips, and Hershey bars.

 

Keep T3 forever.

[Reclaimer]

Get rid of him...and you die.

 

**leaves room**

[Jason Skywalker]

T3-M4 and HK-47 will never be replaced.

[Cygnus Q'ol]

It's like telling luke to get rid of r2d2, telling Face from the a-team to get rid of the 'Vet' (corvette) or BA (Mr. T) to get rid of the van with the red stripe. Telling hassehoff (how ever you spell it) to get rid of knightrider, the dukes of hazard to get rid of the confederate flag on top of their car. Can't think of any other than cars.

 

Don't forget Starsky's Grand Torino or the multi-colored bus of the Partridge family.

 

C'mon, how would the Jetsons have gotten along without Rosie?

 

I think Vader815 has droid-a-phobia. It's 2006, gotta get over yourself.

 

Not only is T3 a character, but he's quite useful. I can't really imagine playing KotOR without him. He is an intrical part of this saga and it would be a grave mistake to exclude him from the next KotOR. I'm quite sure he'll be there, if they continue the series.

 

He was fun to play with and I really wish I could've done more with him.

I agree with Saint Killa. He can unlock the nav-com and follow Revan.

That actually wouldn't be a bad place to start K3.

(OK, maybe not start, but, weave it in there somehow).

[mimic666]

After breaking into the sith military base in Kotor1, he's useless. Also after escapiing peragus in K2, he is also useless. GOTO could've destroyed Malachor V if he wanted to. What would he do in K3? finally fix the food dispenser?

 

PS. HK isn't 'one of a kind' shown in K2 on Telos.

[JediMaster12]

O the blasphemy!

T3 is a big help in getting into the system on Goto's yacht and reveals bits about Revan. In KOTOR, after the Sith military base, I took him onto Korriban to unlock Uthar's room so I didn't have to initiate the double-double cross quest. He is quite the handy lil droid.

[Hallucination]

After breaking into the sith military base in Kotor1, he's useless. Also after escapiing peragus in K2, he is also useless. GOTO could've destroyed Malachor V if he wanted to. What would he do in K3? finally fix the food dispenser?

 

PS. HK isn't 'one of a kind' shown in K2 on Telos.

Try upgrading him fully in K2.

[vader815]

PS. HK isn't 'one of a kind' shown in K2 on Telos.

 

What do you mean HK-47 isn't 'one of a kind' there is nothing like him, not even the HK-50 are like him, HK-47 single handly defeated many jedi while several teams of HK-50's couldn't kill one.

[shinyjedi]

In the Sith acadamy on Korriban in K1, I used T3 to exploit the level up glitch. He was the only one in the party whose computer skill was l33t enough to do it without loads of spikes. I only wish the exploit was as quick in K2 as it was with T3 in K1.

 

He's invaluable on G0-T0s yacht in K2.

 

G0-T0, on the other hand, in addition to having a name that's annoying to type, was utterly worthless. Could have destroyed Malachor V? Only by stopping Remote from triggering the generator. Almost anybody could have done the same. Now, try the scenerio between G0-T0 and T3-M4, and the outcome suddenly isn't so clear. Fully upgraded and kitted out, the two should be at least equal until you take into account all the extra boosts T3 gets from Exile's tinkering and the T3 only armor upgrades and self-sustaining unit. Fatboy would get schooled by T3, set back a couple of grades, and reschooled. Now, sure, Gone-Out might be able to do something using out of game skills such as K....R.....E....I....A (accentuated spelling in homage to meatbag ) did when entering the Trayus acadamy, but what might T3 not have been capable of using out of game abilities?

[mimic666]

If you have high enough Security skills and a Security spike tunneler you don't need T3 to get into uthar's room. On GOTO's yacht you don't need T3 if you have enough Computer skills. Um, vader someone said HK is one of a kind and I replyed saying that the type HK isn't unique not HK-47 himself and look above my post someoneelse also says he's not unique other than myself. Hmm didn't know of this level up glitch, but I know of several others. I know some glitches for k2, but I haven't played in over a year, so I'm not surprised I missed some of the stuff in the second paragraph shinjedi.

[shinyjedi]

With very few exceptions, no character in the game is completely indespensible. Yes, any character with the proper computer skill and spikes/tunnellers could have done uthar's room, but does that make T3 useless? Hardly. T3 is easier to get to the point where you don't need that stuff. I concentrated on getting my PC to be good with computers and repair, but T3 just left her in the dust. In K2 in particular, he starts with really good stats and advances more quickly than is possible relying solely on experience points.

With the exception of the assasination protocols, HK is no better than T3 in all the stats that count. Okay, his strength is way higher, but you can't equip any of the droids with melee weapons anyway, so who cares?

And G0-T0's special doesn't even have a function in the game so far as I can tell!

 

In the end, unless the writers specify that "Only character X may perform this mission or this function," there is choice. But really, how many of the characters have truly unique and indespensible abilities? In K2 you can end up with 2 jedi sentinals and 2 guardians in addition to the true neutral consular and whatever your PC is. Which you take becomes, particularly at higher levels, a matter of preference. Sure, Mira can ignore mines and Atton keeps getting up when he goes to 0 vitality and Bao Dur can destroy force fields. But beyond those special traits, a jedi is a jedi, and they're kind of interchangable. There are other ways to get past mines and break force fields, and if you're in so much trouble that Atton's ability to not stay dead comes into play, you're already in too much trouble. Who you take along is more about who you WANT to take than who you need to take. By the standard of "after breaking into the sith military base, he's useless" then Mira is useless after she lets the exile into the Jekk Jekk Tar, and Bao Dur is useless after he makes the lightsaber, Juhani is useless after you either kill her or don't kill her, Visas is useless untill you board the Ravager, and G0-T0 is useless after you show him to the hutt on Nar Shadda (okay, that one I agree with ) Just because he doesn't have a specific task, doesn't mean he's useless. Although, come to think of it, T3 is required on Nar Shadda in order to get to G0-T0's yacht. I suppose to be fair, I could say that Mira is necessary on Malachor V except that I still can't figure out how her meeting with Hanhaar advances the story at all.

 

T3 has character and is a pretty handy guy to have around to boot. His extra buffs go a long way to making him more powerful than the average droid, which he never was to begin with. Like HK, he was one of a kind, purpose built, with no peer.

[mimic666]

Thanks for the flame shinyjedi I was agreeing with you until this point, besides like I said before I haven't played k2 in like a year or so. Mira lets you bypass the crap load of mines on GOTO'S yacht removing them is just a waist of time and on Duxon before you come in contact with all those sith and the dark jedi, but the fact you can turn her into a jedi on nar shaada is kinda cool to have on duxon so you don't only have one jedi with that party. Bao dur fixes the f**ked up parts of the ship and you also get some backstory of your PC from him (he was under your command in the mandalorian wars), yeah you can stick your lightsaber in the force field so he's useless in that point. Juhani (on the lightside) frees you from the force field on the Leviathan and is funny when you flirt with her when you are female with low persuade points. Juhani kind of helps on the Unknown world even though you don't want the help by her and Jolee. I really don't don't like atton. Visas shows you how she sees through the force and is better to have instead of a 'jedi' with only one hand. Like I said before 'the type HK is not unique, but the droid HK-47 is'. by the way when I play I max out comp, repair, security and treat injury and fill in what's left, but now that I have KSE I max out everything at 100. I've got to goto work now bye.

[bobogarcia]

I dont really care for him. I used him the least in both games. HK is alot more interesting and should be in.

[Hallucination]

Thanks for the flame shinyjedi

He didn't flame you....

Mira lets you bypass the crap load of mines on GOTO'S yacht removing them is just a waist of time and on Duxon before you come in contact with all those sith and the dark jedi

That's because you don't use those mines, but some people do.

but the fact you can turn her into a jedi on nar shaada is kinda cool to have on duxon so you don't only have one jedi with that party.

She isn't the only person who can become a jedi in the game...

Bao dur fixes the f**ked up parts of the ship and you also get some backstory of your PC from him (he was under your command in the mandalorian wars)

What does he fix?

Juhani (on the lightside) frees you from the force field on the Leviathan and is funny when you flirt with her when you are female with low persuade points.

You can use almost any character in your party at that part...

I really don't don't like atton.

Well good for you.

Visas shows you how she sees through the force and is better to have instead of a 'jedi' with only one hand.

But Force Sight is worthless after the first few moments of fun, and you can get four other jedi in your party.

by the way when I play I max out comp, repair, security and treat injury and fill in what's left, but now that I have KSE I max out everything at 100.

Good to see you can cheat, but how does that make T3 useless to people who play the game normally?

[The Source]

What I like about KotOR is that there are a few items that relate to the 'Original trilogy'.

1. Ebon Hawk

2. T3-M4

 

If the developers dropped these two, I would not feel like Han Solo when playing KotOR.

[shinyjedi]

Thanks for the flame shinyjedi

 

Eh? What flame?

 

Mira lets you bypass the crap load of mines on GOTO'S yacht removing them is just a waist of time

You get at least 45 exp for each low grade mine. I would imagine tougher mines net more, but haven't checked. If you retrieve every mine on G0-T0's yacht, it almost amounts to a trip through the kinrath cave experience-wise. Ignoring them nets nothing. The real interesting thing is to retrieve and then reset them.

 

 

 

Bao dur fixes the f**ked up parts of the ship

 

The only in-game repairs he does that actually mean anything are the upgrades to G0-T0 and remote, neither of which I, personally, have ever benefited from. In any case, both of the boosts together don't amount to half of what T3 gets all by himself, even leaving aside the mostly un-needed force regen ability he gains.

 

Note: I have double-checked this post, and while it does answer some of your statements in ways you might not like, I can find no trace of flame. Enjoy the game, and next time you're on Leviathon, try using Mission to rescue the others, she works great.

[mimic666]

I was just kidding about the flame bit. I don't really use mines in k2 that much that's my way of doing things, I didn't say that's what everybody does or should do. I used Mira as an example because shinyjedi said something about her being useless and I do not like atton, but nothing was said about the handmaiden. whenever you speak to him he's always somewhere where there is sparking wire, so I fiqured he was fixing something. Bao does fix T3 if he counts as part of the ship since he can 'dock' with it. How far on the leviathon can you get before being destroyed while using characters other than Juhani or Canderous? Yes I HATE Atton and that's my opinion and thanks for yours. I only cheat now because I've beaten the game 10x Lightside 4x Darkside. shinyjedi I don't like XP, Leveling up gets in the way of killing. I use the mines alot while dealing with Rancors and Terantateks. Mission always get's shot to sh*t when I play with her. I'm getting back to the main topic. Whether or not T3 should be dealt with is in the players hands. How a person plays the game is up to them, I personally don't like T3 because he bleeps too d**n much, nah just kidding he's okay... I guess.

[Dark Lord Revan]

I suppose you don't want to get rid of HK though, do you. TOO BAD!!! They are a package deal, just like R2 and 3PO. I am definitely not with you :dissaprove:

 

Maybe they will let you decide whether he will stay or not, for the T3 haters like you, but he will be there.

AY....MEN!!!

[firehead2591]

no no no no no no no.... i love t3 and hes not regular...hes an astromech droid that has a pesonality that i really like...and you can't say that hk and t3 would have been destroyed because you could reinforce is dialouge(like tsl) that the ebon hawk WASN"T destryed in malachor V. And if you did say that then i guess you would have to have a completely different set of allies

[Prime]

We are still talking about this?? I really feel like I should close this thread.

 

Should I?

[Dark Lord Revan]

But if you think about it, if you played the dark side on K2 the Hawk, HK, and T3 all disappeared, we don't know if they flew out of the ship or if they were in it when it fell. that is enough for me we it comes to say that they are nolonger part of the KOTOR series. Remember that that includes T3

guh...that isnt the Cannon ending...

[NomadInvader]

T3 has a place in my heart(although HK-47's is greater) and you shall not get rid of him!!! If you get rid of T3, you'll then be whining about getting rid of T*. It's an endless chain waiting to happen! Don't start it.