The Distorted Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I'm referring to the scene in Episode 6: Return of the Jedi, when Leia comes to see what is bothering Luke on Endor (outside the Ewok abode), and just before Luke tells her that Vader is also on the moon, that he is his father, she is his sister and that he must face him. It's at the beginning of this conversation, when he asks Leia if she can remember her real mother at all (and he goes on to say that he can't), and she responds, "A little. Just images and feelings" - how is that possible? In Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith, Padame dies whilst in childbirth, and consequently (obviously) if anything (the irony is that) Luke (by a couple of seconds lol) knew her longer than she did. Surely she is referring to Padame though, because she is referring to her "real mother" like Luke asked. If she is not referring to Padame than I guess she is instead referring to her adopted mother, because she might still believe at this point that she is her natural mother. We don't ever see "Lady" Organa do we? Maybe she died when Leia was small, and that explains it. Even if this is so though, that would have just been a bit weird (from a script-writing point of view) to include this confusion intentionally, thus creating potential confusion in the audience (like yours truly). Am I missing something here, or is it just a plot-hole, that Lucas "overrode" in the prequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foshjedi2004 Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 This Remembrance were planted memories by Obiwan and Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Leia is anakins child she is strong with the force, It was a pretty emotional time for padme this might have left a force imprint on leia? Who knows maybe as a young child Leia had force dreams of her mother? Its just one of those things thats never mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Distorted Posted March 20, 2006 Author Share Posted March 20, 2006 This Remembrance were planted memories by Obiwan and Yoda. That's pretty cool. Thanks for the info. Okay, one last question - when/where is that mentioned? Was it in Ep 3 perchance? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Okay, one last question - when/where is that mentioned? Was it in Ep 3 perchance? Cheers. Its not as far as i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 This Remembrance were planted memories by Obiwan and Yoda.I think that is the first time I've heard of this. Cite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I think that is the first time I've heard of this. Cite? He's speculating. She remembers through the force, what Leia said makes sense because Padme was obviously sad because she had "lost the will to live". I've heard it said somewhere that Leia had mistaken the face of the medical droid for the face of her mother also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Distorted Posted March 20, 2006 Author Share Posted March 20, 2006 He's speculating. She remembers through the force, what Leia said makes sense because Padme was obviously sad because she had "lost the will to live". I've heard it said somewhere that Leia had mistaken the face of the medical droid for the face of her mother also. In that case, that means that Leia might be inherently stronger in the force than even Luke, because he doesn't remember or feel anything himself. Interesting... As for the medical droid's face - I'm gonna have to rewatch Ep III to see what it looks like (I can't remember it at all at the moment...) Cheers for the head's up, everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Well who knows since she's never really bothered to train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Before the 'Anihkan Trilogy', I interpreted this scene and the story very differently. From what I though had happen was that Luke found his way to Tatooine by Obi-Wan, and Leia lived with her mother in hidding. I thought Senator Organa married Padame. (Before I knew her name.) Otherwords, Leia took off into hidding with her mother while Obi-Wan hides Luke. When their mother was in hidding, she married Senator Organa. After a few years in hidding, their mother died for some reason. I thought this explains the reason why Luke doesn't remember his mother, but Leia remembers a childhood experience with her. Otherwords, Leia had some memories of being around her mother. This would also explain the reason why Obi-Wan was surprised during his conversation with Yoda on Daghobagh: Obi-Wan: "That boy is our last hope." Yoda: "No. There is another." Obi-Wan seemed to have either forgotten, or came off a little quizical to Yoda's comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Or maybe he thought, "Yeah, but she's a girl." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 LOL the sexism argument approaches! maybe its one of few contradictions in the story... well, its gotta happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Or maybe he thought, "Yeah, but she's a girl." YAAY! Rampant sexism Get back in the kitchen if you don't want a black eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 It's a flat out contradiction that Lucas didn't think through when he was making the prequels. That's the best I can come up with. Even before the prequels he had some EU story about Luke and Leia finding their mother. So they had to retcon this as soon as they knew from George that Padme was scheduled to die in Episode III and say it was just somebody pretending to be the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclaimer Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Leia is anakins child she is strong with the force, It was a pretty emotional time for padme this might have left a force imprint on leia? Who knows maybe as a young child Leia had force dreams of her mother? Yeah, like visions of her mother that she saw through the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Which begs the question of why Padme didn't have a connection with Luke or give HIM force visions. Or why Leia didn't give force visions or have a connection with Luke... "I have no memory of my mother, I never knew her." And according to ROTS, Luke was born first, and Padme even says a few more words to him "Oh Luke!" They erased Luke's memory, or gave Leia false memories...? Lucas screwed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 They erased Luke's memory, or gave Leia false memories...? Lucas screwed up! Big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Or it could be that she didn't know she was adopted and she was speaking of Bail's wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 That could be possible, since we don't know when/if she died before ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elukka Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Leia was also sensitive to the force. Anyways, my mom's friend claims she remembers her birth, so why not Leia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSR Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 your mum's friend is lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elukka Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Obviously. So why not Leia. She could remember Padme somehow with the force, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Or it could be that she didn't know she was adopted and she was speaking of Bail's wife. "Do you remember your mother, your real mother?" Not talking about Mrs. Organa. And if Leia lied to Luke, wouldn't he be able to sense THAT through the Force? Instead he just says "I have no memory of my mother, I never knew her." It's a contradiction. Unless you say that Leia (who was born second) has some special Force power that Luke doesn't. Oh well, I guess the Force moves in mysterious ways! Or maybe Leia has really and truly convinced herself that looking at home movies of Padme when she was a kid constitutes "knowing her real mother" and "died when I was very young" is the same as within minutes after she was born. I don't think there's an official explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elukka Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Ok, yes, it's a contradiction. But maybe she did lie, and Luke didn't sense it because (not knowingly) he didn't want to. Or maybe Leia just thought he remembered her mother, so in a way she could've been lieng to herself.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Maybe she was talking about Organa's wife who was taking care of her, and died when Leia was young. And no, she being a girl have nothing to do with it, Leia would look just as good with a lightsaber, and in slavegirl outfit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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