Dubya in fifty years

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Given current and past events throughout his presidency, how will the world remember President Bush? It's something I've been thinking about since I heard some neo-con claim that Dubya would "go down in history as a great leader" (some examples).

 

I think it's a safe thing to say that most people in the world will remeber him as a terrible President, the second McCarthy. This is, after all, what they think of him now, and I see no reason that's going to change in the future.

 

But how will Americans remember him? Will there be significant disagreement in fifty years as to how well Bush did, or will he be remembered as a terrible leader pretty much unanimously? Or will people for some reason remember him as a good leader?

 

I think that with the way Iraq is going, and with all the scandals the administration has gone throught (NSA wire-taps, Guantánamo prisoner abuse, the PATRIOT ACT, White Phosphorous over Fallujah, "suspicious" elections, the Downing Street Memo, and the list goes on), he'll be remembered pretty much uniformly as a failure. We'll also have Fahrenheit 9/11, which will probably live on long after Bush is out of office, if for no other reason than that it is well-filmed, Moore pompous attitude and abuse of Lipscomb's trust aside.

 

Even now, his public support is low, even amongst the right-wingers. And unless really something good comes up, which I don't reckon it will, I think that number's only going to keep going down as more and more awareness makes its way into the neo-con ranks.

 

What do the rest of you think?

[Windu Chi]

Given current and past events throughout his presidency, how will the world remember President Bush? It's something I've been thinking about since I heard some neo-con claim that Dubya would "go down in history as a great leader".

 

I think it's a safe thing to say that most people in the world will remeber him as a terrible President, the second McCarthy. This is, after all, what they think of him now, and I see no reason that's going to change in the future.

 

But how will Americans remember him? Will there be significant disagreement in fifty years as to how well Bush did, or will he be remembered as a terrible leader pretty much unanimously? Or will people for some reason remember him as a good leader?

 

I think that with the way Iraq is going, and with all the scandals the administration has gone throught (NSA wire-taps, Guantánamo prisoner abuse, the PATRIOT ACT, White Phosphorous over Fallujah, "suspicious" elections, the Downing Street Memo, and the list goes on), he'll be remembered pretty much uniformly as a failure. We'll also have Fahrenheit 9/11, which will probably live on long after Bush is out of office, if for no other reason than that it is well-filmed, Moore pompous attitude and abuse of Lipscomb's trust aside.

 

Even now, his public support is low, even amongst the right-wingers. And unless really something good comes up, which I don't reckon it will, I think that number's only going to keep going down as more and more awareness makes its way into the neo-con ranks.

 

What do the rest of you think?

I believe that idiot will be remember as the most criminal, corrupt and nonsensical, worst president in U.S. history.

That is just me being nice in my choice of words.

 

He probably will be remember as the one person mainly responsible for the future generations living in a mini ice age, that will probably happen if globle warming is not put under control.

Because his administration did'nt do a damn thing in their service to that ancient country to try to divert the disaster.

He will remember as the man who turn the world against the U.S.

So probably in the future the United States will probably have no or fewer allies and plenty of terrible enemies worster than today.

[Writer]

I believe that idiot will be remember as the most criminal, corrupt and nonsensical, worst president in U.S. history.

That is just me being nice in my choice of words.

 

Whoa... that's being nice?

 

 

He probably will be remember as the one person mainly responsible for the future generations living in a mini ice age, that will probably happen if globle warming is not put under control.

 

Meh... it's a decision he had to make. Fight terrorism or stop global warming? To be honest with everybody, I don't think either problem can be solved. So long as there are humans alive, there will be terrorism because people will disagree. And as for global warming, I'm really not taking it seriously. So there's a hole in the ozone layer. So what? One scientist I've read says that it's been expanding and contracting on its own for as long as anyone could observe it. Another might say it's growing and it's our fault. Who's to say which scientist is right?

 

In any case, what does it matter? So maybe it gets really cold. So maybe we have to dress a hell of a lot warmer to survive. So what?

 

Because his administration didn't do a damn thing in their service to that ancient country to try to divert the disaster.

 

Oh, now that's just silly. "Ancient country"? USA is 210 years old. We're still a baby compared to many other countries around the world. Cut us some slack! We've got to learn somehow and if we can't learn from the mistakes of others, we have to learn from our own... and the consequences of our own.

 

He will remember as the man who turn the world against the U.S.

So probably in the future the United States will probably have no or a few alies and plenty of terrible enemies.

 

 

Again, this doesn't really make sense. Bush may have started the 'War on Terror', but the terrorists struck the first blow. Remember 9/11? That's what set Bush off. And other than sending our troops to Iraq, he's done nothing to gain more enemies... though his opposition at home seems to have increased.

 

So really, our standing in the world hasn't changed much... if at all.

 

 

 

Now, how do I personally feel he'll be remembered? I have no idea and honestly, I don't really care. How people want to remember him is their own business. I'll just remember him the way I remember any other president...

 

 

... as a President of the United States of America.

[Davinq]

I think he probably will be known as a pretty spiffy dude in the future. Take Christopher Columbus for example. He discovered America, and we acknowledge him and have a holiday for him for that. But what a lot people don't know is that he enslaved, imprisoned, killed, tortured, etc. all the Native Americans that he found there. I think that same case may apply to Bush. While we know now the atrocities he's comitting, he'll be remembered for his "war on terror" in the future, and be thus respected as a whole.

[Tyrion]

I think he probably will be known as a pretty spiffy dude in the future. Take Christopher Columbus for example. He discovered America, and we acknowledge him and have a holiday for him for that. But what a lot people don't know is that he enslaved, imprisoned, killed, tortured, etc. all the Native Americans that he found there. I think that same case may apply to Bush. While we know now the atrocities he's comitting, he'll be remembered for his "war on terror" in the future, and be thus respected as a whole.

 

Need I bring up the cliche examples of Hitler and Stalin to show that Bush likely won't be respected for his war on terror?

[Mace MacLeod]

I honestly believe that when the American people have calmed down from 9/11 and gain the ability to examine their past from retrospect, they will remember Dubya as the single worst American president of the modern era. I never realized how much I liked Clinton until this guy came along.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Again, this doesn't really make sense. Bush may have started the 'War on Terror', but the terrorists struck the first blow. Remember 9/11? That's what set Bush off. And other than sending our troops to Iraq, he's done nothing to gain more enemies... though his opposition at home seems to have increased.

Invading Iraq and badmouthing just about every ally the USA has isn't enough for you?

 

So really, our standing in the world hasn't changed much... if at all.

Completely wrong. Anti-Americanism has increased badly since Bush took office and started acting like some Texan cowboy on ecstacy.

 

I think he probably will be known as a pretty spiffy dude in the future. Take Christopher Columbus for example. He discovered America, and we acknowledge him and have a holiday for him for that. But what a lot people don't know is that he enslaved, imprisoned, killed, tortured, etc. all the Native Americans that he found there. I think that same case may apply to Bush. While we know now the atrocities he's comitting, he'll be remembered for his "war on terror" in the future, and be thus respected as a whole.

You mean the "war on terror" that he mostly abandoned in favour of Iraq? The "war on terror" that he has used as an excuse to get through such things as torture camps, illegal wire-taps, and the PATRIOT ACT?

 

I don't understand how so many people view the "war on terror" as this fantastic thing that Bush should be loved so much for. It's like the Cold War against the evil, brainless Commies all over again - including the "they hate our religion"-part.

 

Cristoffer Columbus "discovered" a whole new continent. That's quite a bit greater than just starting just another war.

[Nancy Allen``]

In my view Bush is the most dangerous man alive. That's generally true of the American President but especially for him. I think he's too honerable a man to willingly be as dangerous as he is but his ignorance and stupidity make him such a threat. To be fair however I'm not sure there'd be as much to criticise him over if he hadn't had someone with their hand up his back making his mouth work. But I do think Bush, whether you bitch at him for Florida or Iraq or whatever, will forever be remembered as the greatest monster the world has ever seen, more so than Hitler, Stalin, anyone.

[Windu Chi]

In my view Bush is the most dangerous man alive. That's generally true of the American President but especially for him. I think he's too honerable a man to willingly be as dangerous as he is but his ignorance and stupidity make him such a threat. To be fair however I'm not sure there'd be as much to criticise him over if he hadn't had someone with their hand up his back making his mouth work. But I do think Bush, whether you bitch at him for Florida or Iraq or whatever, will forever be remembered as the greatest monster the world has ever seen, more so than Hitler, Stalin, anyone.

His reign is not over yet, Nancy.

Keep watching!

[Nancy Allen``]

Two years. He can do a lot of damage in two years but it's still only two years before the world is a glorious utopia once again.

[Windu Chi]

Two years. He can do a lot of damage in two years but it's still only two years before the world is a glorious utopia once again.

Well, there is a worry of his cronies, still in Senate and Congress.

They can possibly or guaranteed to take power after that bastard is gone.

[Nancy Allen``]

Rice is my odds on favourite.

[Windu Chi]

Rice is my odds on favourite.

I am not to sure of her, Nancy

She seem to be a puppet of Bush.

But, there is always the possibility that she don't really support Bush policies, she is just trying to keep her job.

[Emperor Devon]

Bush will be remembered as the greatest man who ever lived.

 

Under his wise and fair hand, my glorious country liberated Iraq from the worst tyrant since Hitler! (although we did kill more civilans than the tyrant did, that's the part that stays out of the history books, boys and girls!)

 

He took effective measures to root out all evildoers from the land of free while still keeping the measures he did it with completely just even though they were unjust.

 

He selflessy gave away our trillion dollar surplus to the poor (which means large and powerful corporations, whtever), the rich were taxed and their money was given to the poor (which means the exact opposite thing, kids!)

 

Lastly, he found out how evil our allies really were.

 

It may not've been popular, but he did the right thing!

 

Long live George W. Bush!

[Davinq]

Need I bring up the cliche examples of Hitler and Stalin to show that Bush likely won't be respected for his war on terror?

Hitler and Stalin were both on the other side of the war. The American people will always view them as the bad guys. But Bush, seeing as he's ruler of the nation in which we reside, is going to be more ambiguously evil.

[Nancy Allen``]

I am not to sure of her, Nancy

She seem to be a puppet of Bush.

But, there is always the possibility that she don't really support Bush policies, she is just trying to keep her job.

 

I should have said that Rice I think is the odds on favourite to be the next President. My preferrence? Gosh, who is there? We have a Hollywood legend, a porn star, a porn king...wait that was California. Anyone know who are in the running? Kerry I think, Nader, who else?

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Hillary Clinton?

[Totenkopf]

If Hilary wins, then maybe I'll have to reconsider atheism. Either that or that there really is something up there and It's mad enough to punish us in such a fashion.

 

As to the whole Bush deal, I guess we'll have to hope we're around in 50 years to see the verdict. Remember, Reagan was universally "bitch-slapped" around by his haters and critics, but is now considered to be one of the greats. All within about 20 years. So, whose to say what people will think in 2056? But it won't be too hard to see Clinton's presidency as being tragically flawed and weak. But, then again, in 50 years, maybe that won't seem so apparent.

[toms]

Most of the world thought Clinton was a good president. Though of course that doesn't make it so.

 

And i've never got the reagan love.. he was almost identical to bush (stupid, arrogant, caused the deaths of thousands) so maybe he's the best example of what people might think of bush in a few years.

 

I think it will depend on two things.

 

(a) The outcome of Iraq (and to some extent afganistan and the war on terror, but mostly iraq).

(b) His successor.

 

People tend to compare leaders to those that surround them.. so if a weak leader follows him it will make him look good in comparison.. or visa versa.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

If Hilary wins, then maybe I'll have to reconsider atheism. Either that or that there really is something up there and It's mad enough to punish us in such a fashion.

[Mace MacLeod]

Surefire winner on the Democratic ticket in 2008:

 

President Oprah Winfrey.

 

She'd win by a landslide, even with Hilary Clinton as her running-mate.

[Jae Onasi]

Oprah's said she's not running.

 

Dems--I think Kerry's considered too much damaged goods, and Dean's right out. Hillary's a good bet. Edwards might consider it again--he made a pretty good showing in '04 in the primaries. Obama's a rising star--he could go in '08, but I think it's more likely he'll go in '12 or even '16 when he has a term or 2 as Senator under his belt.

The Dems made a huge mistake by going too far left last election--they need to pick someone a little more moderate (and with a less wacky wife than Heinz-Kerry).

 

Reps--McCain's almost a sure bet, with Frist a possibility.

 

As for W--Hind-sight's always 20/20 (6/6 for the metric folks). I think he's going to get mixed reviews. I don't think he's going to be viewed as one of the greats, but I don't think he's going to be viewed as one of the worst, either.

[Totenkopf]

Most of the world thought Clinton was a good president. Though of course that doesn't make it so.

 

And i've never got the reagan love.. he was almost identical to bush (stupid, arrogant, caused the deaths of thousands) so maybe he's the best example of what people might think of bush in a few years.

 

I think it will depend on two things.

 

(a) The outcome of Iraq (and to some extent afganistan and the war on terror, but mostly iraq).

(b) His successor.

 

People tend to compare leaders to those that surround them.. so if a weak leader follows him it will make him look good in comparison.. or visa versa.

 

No offense, but it makes me glad that the rest of the world doesnt get to vote in US elections.............yet (preferably ever I say while crossing my fingers, knocking on wood, grasping a rabbit's foot.....).

[Mace MacLeod]

Oprah should run, though. She could walk up to the debates and hear Bush spouting his bad comedy routine/neocon rhetoric, just look at him, smirk, and say to the camera: "Is this what you want? Look at what this man and his friends have done. People over the world all hate us now, and it's because of him! Now, listen to me, people of America. It doesn't have to be like that. I will take care of you, and will make it all better. I will undo the damage he's caused, and I will take us back to Peace, Prosperity, and Plenty. Vote Oprah!" 95% congressional majority, guaranteed.

 

Honestly, it really blew me away how the Democrats managed to lose '04. Remember there was that moment where it looked like Kerry might win, and it was like: "OH! Ohhhhhhhhhh..........yes? Yes...?! YES...?! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww f!ckin' hell..." The Democratic party strikes me as a cross between a chicken with its head cut off and a two-headed spin doctor who's constantly arguing with himself. They've lost all vision and leadership. They're trying to react to what Bush and co. are doing where they should be making the Republicans react to what they're doing. I mean, this Kerry guy could've been anyone in '04. He could've been Big Bird or a package of frozen peas or something. He didn't even know who the hell he was. For all I know, he's just a chin and a hairpiece sitting in a drawer somewhere right now. They need someone who stands for something because of actual charismatic conviction, not just because of polls or focus groups or crap like that. Go Oprah.

[Q]

Remember there was that moment where it looked like Kerry might win, and it was like: "OH! Ohhhhhhhhhh..........yes? Yes...?! YES...?! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww f!ckin' hell..."

I remember that moment well. I remember because I got such a kick out of watching Tom Brokaw's(Sp?) reaction. Man, he was sooo pi$$ed, and he just could not hide it. It was hilarious. He retired soon afterward.

 

OT: I have a feeling that G. W. will probably sink into obscurity, just like his dad.