lukeiamyourdad Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 And it would clarify the question of why he did such a thing. But I guess he would blame it on GTA or something... Bimmerman- The problem is that you cannot so easily pass judgment on the administration until more information on what happened gets released. It isn't exactly a problem with the bureaucracy. It could be that whoever is the head of the university made a bad decision for all we know at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 And it would clarify the question of why he did such a thing. But I guess he would blame it on GTA or something... that could work, people have got off using the excuse "junk food made me do it" >.> Bimmerman- The problem is that you cannot so easily pass judgment on the administration until more information on what happened gets released. It isn't exactly a problem with the bureaucracy. It could be that whoever is the head of the university made a bad decision for all we know at this point. From what I heard yesterday, there was a break down in communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbieZ Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Bad news that. The sad thing is, it takes death for people to learn, and what we have to learn from this is as of yet unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Latest news I heard on the radio a couple minutes ago is that he left a note railing about rich kids and debauchery. See the Chicago tribune article. There were 2 guns found with Cho, 1 of the guns used in the massacre had been used also at the 7:15am shootings in the dorm across campus. They can't officially say that Cho was the killer in the dorm killings until they have more forensic evidence proving Cho and rulling out a second person, but it's pretty unlikely there was another killer. While the admin did not get the information out in as timely a manner as they could have, they did try to get news out yesterday about the 7am shootings, but police initially thought it was a domestic dispute. No one else was shot at in the dorm, so it looked like those 2 were the only targets and police were interviewing a possible suspect when the 2nd wave of killings started. There's no way at 7:16 that they could have anticipated the massacre that happened 2 hours later with the information they had at that time. It's hindsight that's 20/20, not foresight. They did email all students and staff, but as a radio caller pointed out on WGN radio this am, there's a certain demographic of students that aren't awake yet at 9am.... As soon as the shootings at the other building started, the admin did move immediately and locked down buildings and told profs to lock their classroom doors until the campus could be secured. The police were on the scene and in the engineering building within minutes. Was it the best system? No, but then again how many things are going to work optimally in the middle of a mass shooting? That doesn't mean they shouldn't improve their communication system, but there are limits to what you can anticipate will happen in the future. I also saw a profile of Professor Librescu who was fatally shot as he blocked the doorway to his classroom so students had time to escape through windows, saving many of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Why does this happen so often? Because too many people have too many weapons in a place where too many people would do too many irrational things with those deadly tools. That is why this happens oh so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewayne26 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 mu heart goes out to the familes and friends of the victims. i was in college when Columbine happened. i remember we had we in my dorm alittle cooncerned bout ourselves after hearing thing bout the suspects. but we took action the guy. we had was probably in the planning stahes. i know he had look instructions on making pipes bomb once. cause he used my computer to do it. but i thought it was for a report he doing. but he told his gf that he wante to get even. and i see similiaries in Cho case too. too. so if anyone know someone like this please take some kind action. we manage to convince the guy's dad he needed help. it home because was sort of a friend to me and also my roommate. his gf i graduated HS with. so i was more then concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Skywalker15 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 It doesnt happen *that* often... its just that when it happens the media harps about it for several days, as does all the talk radio shows. ie its big news because it doesnt really happen that often. So when it does, it sticks out there. And Im referring to massacres like this, not homicides and other less-sensational acts of inhumanity. All I can say is Im thankful that the gunman is dead... or one of them anyway. I think there was two. I totally agree with the first part... However, the second I have to say I wish he was alive so we can show him what pain he caused... I'm not saying kill him slowly, I mean make him feel the guilt he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salzella Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I totally agree with the first part... However, the second I have to say I wish he was alive so we can show him what pain he caused... I'm not saying kill him slowly, I mean make him feel the guilt he should. do you honestly think someone who would do that would feel remotely guilty about it? i don't. Gods, i can't imagine what it would have been lie to be there. I was reading the accounts in the newspaper this afternoon, and all those people saying they thought 'we couldn't believe there was a gunman on the loose' and the like... i can imagine. Who would possibly ahve expected something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Skywalker15 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 do you honestly think someone who would do that would feel remotely guilty about it? i don't. Gods, i can't imagine what it would have been lie to be there. I was reading the accounts in the newspaper this afternoon, and all those people saying they thought 'we couldn't believe there was a gunman on the loose' and the like... i can imagine. Who would possibly ahve expected something like that? We can't be sure, can we? From his notes, his actual killing massacre, it doesn't seem he'd feel guilt. That doesn't mean, however he wouldn't. I'm glad he's dead, that's for sure, but I think he should have felt all the pain he spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewayne26 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 We can't be sure, can we? From his notes, his actual killing massacre, it doesn't seem he'd feel guilt. That doesn't mean, however he wouldn't. I'm glad he's dead, that's for sure, but I think he should have felt all the pain he spread. I doubt he felt no remorse/guilt for his action. I think they said on the news he hated rich people or something to that affect. So i think he thought he was justified in his action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Cho was referred for counseling after writing some very dark material in an English class. My guess is the guy totally lost it and it's doubtful he'd feel remorse, and might not even realize just what he'd done. My guess is he was having some kind of delusion or hallucination, and I'm betting we'll find out he'd been diagnosed with a very serious mental illness in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmerman Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 True, the administration might not be at fault, and yes, more information is needed as to why communication didn't happen. I'll bet that in a few days much more information becomes available, as right now there's not enough info to answer much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Skywalker15 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I doubt he felt no remorse/guilt for his action. I think they said on the news he hated rich people or something to that affect. So i think he thought he was justified in his action. Probably. It seems from his writings, and the fact that he probably thought himself justified, under any circumstances, he was insane. That doesn't prove that he felt guilt or remorse, but it does prove that he was very,very emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 My condolences to all the victims who lost their lives. Not worried about family here, they're the ones who are still living, and who only lost their loved ones. The victims had something far more important taken away from them: their life. Victim (just before getting shot): "Hey. I'm going to have a great life! I'm going to go and cure cancer! And then I'm going to be a millionare! And then I'm going to retire! And then I'm going to die of old age! Yay!" I really am feeling sorry for that victim. His life dream, crushed. And in a way that he never thought would happen...by a gun bullet in his head. When I say victim, that includes the killer as well. He is also a victim. Mental illness, society, his own brain, his own choices, etc. I don't know much about why he did it, and frankly, I don't care that much. He was harmed, he did it, and now he's dead. But he's going to die countless times, as people will talk bad about him, and people will rue his name, etc. So, yeah, I feel sorry for the killer as well. Remember, if the killer did not suffer in that first place, neither would the rest of the victims. And, no this DOES not happen so often. That's why it's news, if it happened so often, people would get bored. But I do worry about coypcat attacks that may happen in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Skywalker15 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Mental illness, society, his own brain, his own choices, etc. See, to me, that doesn't condone his actions. We all face hard choices, and we all have to face them in our own way. He had the choices in front of him, yet he choice to deny them. By choices, I mean to go through college and actually become successful instead of taking the lives of people who were going to and had dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 See, to me, that doesn't condone his actions. We all face hard choices, and we all have to face them in our own way. He had the choices in front of him, yet he choice to deny them. By choices, I mean to go through college and actually become successful instead of taking the lives of people who were going to and had dreams. I never condoned his actions. If I did, I would thank him for the murders, which I did not. But what mattered was that had he had different brains, mental illnesses, societies, or made different choices, he would be a different person. ...And the guy actually did be succesful, IMHO. I mean, his picture is now on Television and people are reading his work! Even the President made a speech because of him! That's much more success than most of us here ever will get in his lifetime! In fact, prehaps I might privately hate the guy for becoming quite famous for his deed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnIgmA_XX Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 condolences to all the families. i just heard about this today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 My condolences to all the victims who lost their lives. Not worried about family here, they're the ones who are still living, and who only lost their loved ones.for some reason, i can imagine that a lot of friends and family of the victims would have some choice words for you. i understand your reasoning, but you can't just brush aside those that are grieving for their friends and relatives that lost their lives like its not important. on the contrary, losing someone that is very close to you can be a very traumatic experience for anyone. even if someone that you know personally dies, you're going to be affected psychologically in one way or the other. yeah, people died, and that's a tragedy. but keep in mind that the dead are dead. they aren't the ones that have to live with the consequences of this massacre. friends and family of the victims, however, have a lot to sort through and come to terms with for some time to come. IMHO, your comments are rather rude and insensitive, and i hope that you would show a more respectful attitude to those affected by death in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 IMHO, your comments are rather rude and insensitive, and i hope that you would show a more respectful attitude to those affected by death in the future. Yeah, I probraly was a bit insensitve when I posted those words. Sorry for the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I also saw a profile of Professor Librescu who was fatally shot as he blocked the doorway to his classroom so students had time to escape through windows, saving many of them. After seeing Professor Librescu's picture and description and the other 15 victims posted on ABC News' website thus far... ... ... ... It's really hitting hard now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 After seeing Professor Librescu's picture and description and the other 15 victims posted on ABC News' website thus far... ... ... ... It's really hitting hard now... yeah, his story in particular hit me--I think it was the combo of him sacrificing himself for the students, and the fact he'd been a holocaust survivor, so I know he knew what was going on and what very well could happen, and he put himself in between Cho and the other kids anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Can people please stop taking the title of the thread at the first degree? I only meant to say that once is too often. Geez... In the next few days, we'll maybe see why he did it. I'm quite interested in it because he's Asian. I don't do it because I'm Asian myself, but out of sociological curiosity. I also had/have a friend who was in constant depression. I mean, at school, he studied ten times harder then me. His parents didn't allow him more then X hours of TV or gaming every week so he spent most of his time studying. Yet, my grades were always higher. He was never the best. Neither was I as a matter of fact. The difference between me and him was simply how I dealt with a defeat. While he got depressed whenever his performance was not good enough, I simply sat down, took it, got back up and got on my life. It was really sad because his parents would never have the "honor" of having a "great child". A genius. Asians take that very seriously. Family honor comes through the performance of the children at school. While I got out of that hellhole and was able to convince my parents that my life would be horrible if I became a doctor or an engineer, he still isn't able to be independent. What's worse is that we seldom hear about him anymore. He seems to hate us all for some unknown reason. Perhaps that we're happy in our "mediocrity" or something. I haven't spoken to him in over a year. He tried his best to cut us off from his life, though we (his old high school friends) still get some news about him from proxies. I always had a certain fear of what he could do. I always thought that he could snap at any moment. After a girl turned him down, he almost provoked a guy that was twice his size into a fight. I was quite powerless, Asians having an inner pride regarding psychological matters, believing ourselves to be beyond the problems usually attributed to white people. Being Asian is quite hard. We might be great at school, have a great reputation as workers and all the rest, but life really isn't easy for any of us. Why am I sharing this? Because for a split second, when I heard that the gunman was Asian, I feared it was him. Yet it's so stupid...There's so many Asians in the world. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Oh yeah, my life, being a European, is much more eeeaaasier, especially compared to that of the Chinese doctor, driving this Benz, living in a lakeside house, having four kids. Bullocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Skywalker15 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 And the guy actually did be succesful, IMHO. I mean, his picture is now on Television and people are reading his work! Even the President made a speech because of him! That's much more success than most of us here ever will get in his lifetime! In fact, prehaps I might privately hate the guy for becoming quite famous for his deed. In successful, I meant became a writer, a doctor, a lawyer, like most of those students were going to become. You're right, however, that he's now more famous then he ever could have dreamed.. But at what cost? 32 dead students and professors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I think some have a screwed image of having success. And comments like "I might privately hate the guy for becoming quite famous for his deed" shows me that there is something going pretty wrong in some folks mind and what they focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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