MdKnightR Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Check this out... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_re_us/children_s_plot They keep getting younger and younger, but Georgia law won't charge anyone under the age of 13 with a crime. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Good to know that parents continue to do their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravnas Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Well, what can they do with pressing charges on 3rd Graders? Intense psychiatry is probably the best method for helping these kids to me. However these School officials are in a state of denial about the situation, a predictable response in retrospect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I read about this in the newspaper today. Things in this world just seem to be getting worse every day. I mean, third graders!? What are they, 7 or 8 years old!? That is crazy! I really do wonder how these kids got an idea like this....I wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 These kids don't need punishment. They need parents, guide, hobbies, a better TV programme, less schnick-schnack and better role models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Betrayer Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I agree with Ray Jones. Ugh.. When I was in Grade 3 my best fantasy was to swear at my teacher.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Hoon Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 At age 9, I often wished that my Moral Education would be struck down by... ...instant malaria. Quick, lock me up and throw away the key:/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 But you haven't ordered the virus and brought it to school, have you? I wonder how they gonna deal with the kids' parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 When did it become acceptable to use violence in school, period, regardless of age? Certainly, this child can't be charged with a crime, but the home situation has to be looked at. This kid either has poor parenting, psych issues, or both. While I think a lot of personality traits are laid down by age 8 or 9, I don't think this kid is remotely close to being cognitively developed enough to be charged with a crime. We used to value teachers and education, but it seems like in the last 15 years or so schools have become viewed more by parents as daycares than places where kids are supposed to work on getting an education. Yes, that's a broad sweeping generalization and certainly not the experience of all, but if education and respect for teachers have been devalued, then we should not be surprised at all when things like this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 "Parents" view a lot of things as "daycares" nowadays. The television for instance, video games, DVDs, or talking plastic toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 "Parents" view a lot of things as "daycares" nowadays. The television for instance, video games, DVDs, or talking plastic toys. I don't disagree with you on that, and I don't want to make it sound like daycare is a bad thing. It's just that it doesn't seem to me that parents are as committed to education as before. Education doesn't happen by itself, and the school can't do it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Daycare is a good thing, of course. But not all things are good daycares. I think you are correct, there's not enough focus on education and guidance in today's homes. Of course as a parent you cannot know and teach everything perfectly, that's why teachers receive a special education for that, but pushing it all on the teacher is definitely wrong, and not helpful. Children learn how to learn long before school, and during the first years they learn that almost exclusively from their parents. When all they learn is push button - hear music, things are lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I think It's just a cry for attention, I doubt any of them would have gone through with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 ^ Well they brought the weapons to school with them. That sounds to me that they were serious, but then again I really don't know what would have happened. I think that it was a good thing that one of the kids said something about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 This is why we need to put more funding back into the school systems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Don* Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 The parents need to become more involved. Usually, in cases like these, the children have been neglected or cannot tell the difference between right and wrong. their parents oughtta teach them better. At any rate, I pray to god that some wack @ss politician doesn't start derailing violent video games (especially with the GTA IV release date so close). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 This is why we need to put more funding back into the school systems... More money? To what purpose, exactly? I say that there shouldn't be another dime pumped into the system until it actually produces results. Accountability is what's needed first. As for the kids, there should be some level of punishment, not excuse making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRonto Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 More money? To what purpose, exactly? I say that there shouldn't be another dime pumped into the system until it actually produces results. Accountability is what's needed first. As for the kids, there should be some level of punishment, not excuse making. There are holes in DC's schools, and they are falling apart. But no more money, right? The kids, well they probably need psychiatric help, at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Where's the money gone that was probably allocated for it in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted April 8, 2008 Author Share Posted April 8, 2008 More money? To what purpose, exactly? I say that there shouldn't be another dime pumped into the system until it actually produces results. Accountability is what's needed first. As for the kids, there should be some level of punishment, not excuse making. So I see we have another armchair education expert in our midst. I agree that discipline (corporal punishment) should return, but "accountability" is the buzzword of the moment. It usually refers to punishment for teachers who supposedly don't do their jobs. What about holding the students and their parents accountable for a change? You know the old saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Accountability isn't an unfair expectation, but shouldn't be limited only to the teacher. I understand that you're a teacher, but I'm talking about the whole system, of which teachers are but a part. It's got nothing to do w/"armchair general/expert" and everything to do with reforming the whole system, not just one part. I agree that some form of corporal punishment shouldn't be out of the question, but teacher competency and an end to social promotion would be welcome redresses too. Also, given the amounts of money spent and the poor academic results achieved, I think it's extremely fair to demand more value for the tax dollars spent. Perhaps students who fail to take advantage of their reasonably free education should be stigmatized. If they "snooze" they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCarter426 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 What about holding the students and their parents accountable for a change? You know the old saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." You can drown the horse, though, which is the option most parents and Congress seem to prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_man Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I read about this in the newspaper today. Things in this world just seem to be getting worse every day. I mean, third graders!? What are they, 7 or 8 years old!? That is crazy! I really do wonder how these kids got an idea like this....I wonder why... *cough* GTA *cough* Though I can blame video games for this, I can't. These kids have got some serious mental issues if they want to do in thier teacher. This is proof that the American society is collapsing. We have fine people trying to educate us so we can lead better lives, and what happens? We plot to kill them!! This is one of the times where i wished I lived in the 60s, with all the peace, love, anti-war and the like. I mean, my little bro is in 4th grade, and he's perfectly fine with his teacher, though I think she isn't teacher his class anything. I kinda agree with the whole "corporal punishment" thing, but not as, say, a daily punishment, more like spairingly. I was spanked when I backsassed my mom, then she drove me to my grandma's to show her the red mark on my a$$. I may be a little crazy, but I wasn't scared for life because of it. People always complain that "corporal punishment" is child abuse, but what doe 7- and 8-year-olds wanting to kill thier teachers fall under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Social promotion pretty much doesn't exist since NCLB. Perhaps that is one of its few redeeming values. However, there are instances where it should exist. Teachers should be given back their own professional discretion to pass a student who does well in class, but can't take tests successfully. As for the value for the tax money you speak of, I favor the idea of taking the deadbeat "students" (term used VERY loosely) out of the equation. The bad seeds are the ones bringing everyone else down. There are many success stories in schools across the land, but the media focuses on the negative (just like they do with elections). If a student can't perform in a traditional school setting, there needs to be a trade school option. And I don't mean computer-based either. I'm talking about programs that aren't available in public schools anymore....masonry, carpentry, welding, etc. Trades that are suited to those who can't excel in a college preparatory environment. A lot of the problem is "idle hands are the devil's playground." Some students simply need hands-on training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_man Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 ^That is a very good point. I was in grade school four years ago, and several students just didn't care, and niether did the teacher. About half of my sixth-grade class didn't do any homework, at all. Some people brought thier iPods and the teacher could, quite frankly, give a crap. I think music plays at least some part in this somehow. Rap is very popular with kids and teens. And what do they rap. Rape, murder, crime. Read the lyrics to "Crank That" by Soulja Boy, and you'll get my meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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