Decision '08.

[Tommycat]

I don't know how much I trust the source I heard this from, but one of the local talk radio guys said that he was in the press box and while the timing of the teleprompter was off a little in some places, it wasn't that far ahead and it was never off.

 

If it was liberal talk radio, I would cynically wonder if he had an agenda, but this was the #1 conservative station (in McCain's home state). *shrugs*

 

EDIT: P.S. I'm pretty sure that people gave speeches before the teleprompter was invented. Difficult to memorize? No doubt. Probably unnecessary in this day and age? Possibly. Using "too hard" as an excuse? Not wise, IMHO.

 

Nah Palin did her speech pretty well. I'm saying that it can be difficult when you're worrying about the notes you have going to go away. It throws off your concentration. The person people are talking about in this case is Cindy McCain. She's not used to giving speeches, and not expecting to have her notes be on the fritz.

 

As for speeches, before the teleprompter there were sheets of paper. The teleprompters are so you can appear to be maintaining eye contact... it makes people feel better.

 

PS I'm also in AZ, what station?

[Yar-El]

I have a few questions for the Obama supporters.

 

Obama Raises Record Amounts of Cash Where is he getting his money from? Who is he getting his money from?

 

200,000 Gather in Germany to Hear Obama Are you sure you want to hire someone who can gather a mess of people into one location? Without doing anything to deserve such recognition? Are you sure that you want to hire someone who pleases other nations?

 

Are you sure you want to hire a guy who has this in his iPod?

 

Are you sure you want to hire someone who calls successful females pigs wearing lipstick?

 

Democrat compares Obama to Jesus, and Palin To Pontius Pilate

 

Obama didn't distance himself from Rev. Wright until the pressure was on.

 

 

I just want to hear the other side.

[Achilles]

Obama Raises Record Amounts of Cash Where is he getting his money from? Who is he getting his money from?

Link

 

200,000 Gather in Germany to Hear Obama Are you sure you want to hire someone who can gather a mess of people into one location?

Huh?

 

Without doing anything to deserve such recognition?

Value judgment?

 

Are you sure that you want to hire someone who pleases other nations?

Non sequitur, but yes, I'm quite certain that I someone in office that will help us regain, I don't know, allies.

 

Are you sure you want to hire a guy who has this in his iPod?

Am I sure I want to elect someone that listens to Ludacris? Please help me understand the relevance of the question. Thanks in advance.

 

I just want to hear the other side.

Fair enough. Let me know when you're ready to discuss "character" and "the issues" too.

[Yar-El]

What do you think about McCain?

[Achilles]

Not sure what my opinions about McCain have to do with the discussion that you wanted to have regarding Obama. I believe I asked some questions in my reply? Perhaps you'd be willing to address those before changing the subject?

 

Thanks.

[El Sitherino]

What do you think about McCain?

 

I think he's sold out his morals and principles and his largest cross-the-board supporters. He's magically changed his stance on support for Roe v. Wade and is willing to include contraception in the definition of abortion and in overturning the ruling of abortion being constitutional he will have birth control medication and even condoms covered under the prohibition.

 

His gun control laws are laughable and make no sense, he (like I) has always been a firm believer in the right to possess guns, however he now wishes to retain people's ability to own an assault rifle under the purposes of home defense and hunting. This is not only illogical, but it is unreasonable. As someone very familiar with weaponry I can tell you that you do not need an m16, ak-47, or aug "civilian" model to defend your home or hunt. I can support a civilian m1, but a gun that can be easily converted into auto-fire is sheer idiocy.

 

You can stop any intruder just as easily with a simple .45, I've seen it happen. I've made it happen.

 

I'm also opposed to Neo-McCain's economic plan of making the Bush tax cuts permanent and using the middle class to continue poor financial decisions when said middle class is already dwindling.

 

Not to mention his reformed maverick stance will further alienate our country from the global theatre. While you may not think it's reasonable to respect others around the world, I think doing so increases their respect for us.

 

I like John McCain, but this new person is not him, this is someone desperate to please his party so that he can finally get where he should have been 8 years ago.

[Astor]

What did people think of Sarah Palin's TV interview?

 

I didn't like how she avoided the interviewer's question about her foreign policy and experience as commander of the National Guard by talking about energy.

 

Also, I don't think that travelling to Canada could really count as an 'overseas visit'. (I know it's a separate country, but i'm sure you get what I mean).

 

She seems desperate to attack other, more experienced politicians repeatedly, which seems more out of jealousy than anything else.

 

Onto actually talking about Russia, she talked to Saakashvili, and gave him her commitment. A little early for that, isn't it? She wants to keep an eye on Russia, which isn't a problem in itself, and she thinks that they're evil for an 'unprovoked' (allegedly) attack on Georgia. And, apparently, being able to see Russia from the Alaskan coast is important when talking about the Georgia situation and her foreign policies.

 

Onto to Iran, she doesn't think that 'eye-ran' should have 'nukular' weapons, and seems to support an Israeli military response to such an event (she didn't actually say it, but it was hinted at, I think).

 

She also said that she agrees with pre-emptive strikes against any country who is going to attack them, so long as there is legitimate and credible intelligence. Oops.

 

So, what did it tell us? Not much, other than what we already knew - it didn't set the world alight, and it still hasn't convinced me she would be a good option. (although, as an outsider, I have no say in the matter - but the woman scares me).

 

Thow in some buzz-words like 'democracy' and 'freedom' a few hundred times, avoid most of the questions with vague answers, and you have a television interview.

[El Sitherino]

These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men."

Thank you to J7 for showing me the passage

 

I feel there is no better way to describe the shallow behavior of the current neo-Conservative movement than, it is using it's own idea of attachment to control the citizenry. The holy texts these people spout as their mandate or rule identifies them as heretics and they must be recognized as such.

 

Not only are they a betrayer to their country, they are a betrayer to the God they claim to support. Removing the divinity of free-will is spit in God's face.

 

I may not be a believer, but at least I'm not egotistical enough to think I can use something respected to wrangle support.

 

I'll support someone I know is unashamed of their humanity.

[Jae Onasi]

Thow in some buzz-words like 'democracy' and 'freedom' a few hundred times, avoid most of the questions with vague answers, and you have a television interview.

 

How much of that is her not answering the questions and the interview getting edited? Gibson spent I believe a day and a half there--obviously not everything was included. I'm so disenchanted with the way all of the news media have covered this election with such obvious bias (either pro-Obama or McCain, depending on news channel) that I don't know how much of it I can trust anymore.

 

Sithy--there's much ado about the separation of church and state. People complain when they bring religion into the mix, but I think this is the first time I've heard a complaint on this board about them not being religious enough.

[Astor]

How much of that is her not answering the questions and the interview getting edited? Gibson spent I believe a day and a half there--obviously not everything was included. I'm so disenchanted with the way all of the news media have covered this election with such obvious bias (either pro-Obama or McCain, depending on news channel) that I don't know how much of it I can trust anymore.

 

I did notice that it was heavily edited, which was something that struck me as a way for whatever network who recorded it to show their bias - is ABC known for a particular bias?

 

But, that said, she still skirted around several questions - such as the ones I alluded to above, but that may be out of a fear of looking more inexperienced, I guess.

 

But on the bias issue, it's pretty hard to find anywhere without one now - the only American channel that I can get in the UK is Fox (note how I left 'news' out of the title), and they always seem to support the Republicans, especially O'Reilly (who I gather is viewed with some contempt in the US).

[Achilles]

I'll see if I can find the source again, but I recall reading something stating that part of the agreement was that Palin got substantial say in the final cut. If there's any truth to that, then I wouldn't be so quick as to point fingers at the media for blatant editing.

[El Sitherino]

Sithy--there's much ado about the separation of church and state. People complain when they bring religion into the mix, but I think this is the first time I've heard a complaint on this board about them not being religious enough.

 

I like to mix it up a bit. <3

[ET Warrior]

Are you sure you want to hire someone who calls successful females pigs wearing lipstick?

A little fact checking will help to prevent you from perpetuating falsehoods. Ta-daaaaa

[Totenkopf]

It's all about timing, ET. Enough of a pregnant pause to suggest that he was poking fun at her as well as the plan. But, so what. It's politics and you have to expect that either side will look for ways to tweak the other. I'd have more respect for BO if he admitted the "cheap shot" rather than say he wants to put all this behind him, but then go on to Letterman and elsewhere to drag it out. Frankly, I'm not convinced that the McCain camp is even upset about the so called cheap shot, but are using dems own tactics of distraction against them. What I actually find pathetic, though, is Gov Patterson's attempt to use the race card vis-a-vis the "community organizer" label.

[ET Warrior]

That is really reaching. The phrase has been a part of the common vernacular for as long as I have been alive, which means a minimum of 23+ years. I find is disingenuous at best to assume that in the middle of his talk about McCain's policies he felt the need for a dig at Palin.

 

The pause seems like nothing more than a dramatic emphasis.

[Totenkopf]

That is really reaching. The phrase has been a part of the common vernacular for as long as I have been alive, which means a minimum of 23+ years. I find is disingenuous at best to assume that in the middle of his talk about McCain's policies he felt the need for a dig at Palin.

 

The pause seems like nothing more than a dramatic emphasis.

 

C'mon, ET, tell me you're not really that naive`. BO is clever enough to try and deliver a 2x entendre of sorts, especially in light of the fact of all the supposed cheap shots he feels he's been on the end of over the whole "community organizer" comments. I think it's really reaching and equally disingenuous to claim that he's as virtuous as you contend, given that this is political theatre. Frankly, the whole thing is a non controversy, as is the flap about community organizer.

[El Sitherino]

Over-reacting sissy, nancy emo-bawwwing. That's all this pig-lipstick thing is.

 

It's been an expression in our nation since the 30's that I know of, I've heard my Oma use it. Not to mention John McCain used the same expression about Obama a couple months ago. Maybe Obama was cracking a referencial joke to Palin's Pitbull lipstick thing, however that does not render it a sexist comment.

 

Talk about the god damn issues.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Obama Raises Record Amounts of Cash Where is he getting his money from? Who is he getting his money from?

he summoned it

 

200,000 Gather in Germany to Hear Obama Are you sure you want to hire someone who can gather a mess of people into one location? Without doing anything to deserve such recognition? Are you sure that you want to hire someone who pleases other nations?

all night long

 

Are you sure you want to hire a guy who has this in his iPod?

chyeah ****'s off the chain man

 

Are you sure you want to hire someone who calls successful females pigs wearing lipstick?

even if he meant it as an insult a) i don't care and b) it wasn't directed at "successful females"

[Astor]

200,000 Gather in Germany to Hear Obama Are you sure you want to hire someone who can gather a mess of people into one location? Without doing anything to deserve such recognition? Are you sure that you want to hire someone who pleases other nations?[/Quote]

 

So are you saying that America shouldn't try and pursue good relations with other nations?

[ForeverNight]

So are you saying that America shouldn't try and pursue good relations with other nations?[/Quote]

 

That's not -at least as I interpet it- what Yar El's spirit of the post was. As I read it, I take it as much as: "This guy really hasn't done much to earn recognition aside from running for POTUS. Plus, look at the turn out he's getting in Europe, are you sure you want more MODERN European values in our nation? Not only that, but a man who appears to have the makings of an appeaser?"

 

Now, I can't say I clicked the link and read the article, so I'm not going to pretend that what I posted above is the truth, but from everything I've seen -admittedly not much, but High School's really tough, even this early in the school year- those statements have a grounding in reality.

 

So, it's not that he thinks America shouldn't try to pursue good relations, but that he doesn't agree with the method Obama seems to follow.

 

I think

[Yar-El]

^^^^

You hit it on the nail man!

[Totenkopf]

Over-reacting sissy, nancy emo-bawwwing. That's all this pig-lipstick thing is.

 

It's been an expression in our nation since the 30's that I know of, I've heard my Oma use it. Not to mention John McCain used the same expression about Obama a couple months ago. Maybe Obama was cracking a referencial joke to Palin's Pitbull lipstick thing, however that does not render it a sexist comment.

 

A bit over the top, there, Sithy, but the same is also true of the community organizer controversy, too. I initially wondered what relevance BO's claim to being a "community organizer" had re fitness to be president. Having seen that he claims this activity to be something he did out of school, meaning he was basically a foot soldier and not leader in this activity, he might as well as have said he helped build houses w/Habitat for Humanity, worked as a candy striper, etc... All noble enough on the face of it, but hardly grounds for claiming fitness to run for an executive office.

 

And what's up w/Biden, the Ted Baxter of politics? Could he not see that the state senator in question couldn't stand or walk (he was right next to him afterall)? Not sure if he thinks that saying HC was more qualified than he for VP is a very reassuring comment about his faith in BO's judgement. I'm sure these two would make quite the impression on Putin.... Between Biden choking on his own two feet and BO stating he won't lay down any preconditions to talk to, apparently, anyone......

 

Keep one other thing in mind, the issues aren't merely about what do candidates propose to do about this or that problem, but also the candidates themselves. Unfortunate, maybe, but true.

[Achilles]

^^^^

You hit it on the nail man!

 

Sorry, not buyin' it.

[Web Rider]

I have a few questions for the Obama supporters.

 

200,000 Gather in Germany to Hear Obama Are you sure you want to hire someone who can gather a mess of people into one location?

Most political figures, good or bad, can do this in a heartbeat.

 

Without doing anything to deserve such recognition?

define "deserving". Besides, it's up to the Germans to decide who they want to praise.

 

Are you sure that you want to hire someone who pleases other nations?

yes.

 

Are you sure you want to hire a guy who has this in his iPod?

GW had "my sharona" on his iPod. I really don't care if they listen to grunge metal or the old Crooners.

 

Are you sure you want to hire someone who calls successful females pigs wearing lipstick?

he wasn't talking about Plain, this has been explained.

 

Democrat compares Obama to Jesus, and Palin To Pontius Pilate

Yeah and? Some people do that kind of stuff for candidates. I bet there's somebody who did the same for McCain

 

Obama didn't distance himself from Rev. Wright until the pressure was on.

And McCain never distanced himself from John Hagee, who is far more terrifying in ideology than Wright.

 

I just want to hear the other side.

Do you? Or do you just want the other side to hear what you think is wrong with Obama?

[Yar-El]

Okay, I'm going to give it a shot in defending myself and McCain.

Most political figures, good or bad, can do this in a heartbeat.

I have never seen it in my lifetime. Could Palin, McCain, Powel, or George Bush do this? I don't think they can.

 

he wasn't talking about Plain, this has been explained.

Obama's lipstick comment was made right after Palin's speach. The crowd even picked up on the comment. Watch the youtube video again. It's all about timing. They knew where he was going.

 

Yeah and? Some people do that kind of stuff for candidates. I bet there's somebody who did the same for McCain

I have to check up on that one. That I have to admit was a stretch on my behalf.

 

And McCain never distanced himself from John Hagee, who is far more terrifying in ideology than Wright.

John Hagee was endorsing McCain. McCain didn't go to his church for 30 years. McCain didn't endorse or support John Hagee. Obama went to Rev. Wright's church for 30 years, he called him uncle, he was married by the guy, and his kids were baptised by the guy. They are two different things.

 

Do you? Or do you just want the other side to hear what you think is wrong with Obama?

I'm genuinly curious. Between the two canidates, Obama has the most controversy surrounding him. I just wanted to know what his supporters were thinking.