Very Sensitive Issue: What If Obama Loses?

[Web Rider]

I find the blatant sexism offensive. We don't joke about the men like this, I'd appreciate it if you all gave the women the same respect. And here we're talking about how we shouldn't be racist.

 

You know that's not true. I hear women "joke" like that about men all the time. Heck, people make the same comparason in reverse where they feel sorry for Hillary having to put up with him for some reason. It's generally considered PC to make such comments about men too.

[Tommycat]

I agree with Jae on this one. If it's a contested race even close to how contested the 2000 election was, we may see "race" riots. While we have grown more tolerant of other ethnicities(I dislike the term "race") there is a level of racism in many people out there(sadly I seem to see it a lot now that I'm dating again). This could be the spark that triggers the powderkeg we're sitting on. Of course Obama losing isn't the only thing that could trigger it. If he wins and some racist b7 decides to take it apon himself to asassinate him that could trigger a backlash against all caucasians.

[JediMaster12]

I think you're confusing 'race' and 'species.' It's going to be a long while yet before the human race evolves enough to set aside racial backgrounds.

Inyri, race is a social construct. It is not a biological term or anything like that.

 

Tommycat: I prefer ethnicities myself. An old rule of thumb is that race deals with physical attributes but ethnicity deals with geography. Race is a social construct developed by those in positions of power to subjugate the minority and justify it.

 

As to the actual question, I know that if Obama loses the election my mother would probably cheer the oudest in the streets. you know for someone who professes equality, she sure doesn't act like it since she insists that Obama is a Muslim and she "don't want no Muslim for president." I'm in a mind to point out that she's as bad as those Republicans who say that sure everyone can go college but you have to be rich and white or something like that. Of course I won't do that since she's my mother and I pretty much never discuss with her or my granpa over matters like that.

 

My mother recently sent me an email about white privilege in relation to the upcoming elections. In it was the attachment for the blog regarding white privilege and some examples. I'll post the link.

 

http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege

[Inyri]

Inyri, race is a social construct. It is not a biological term or anything like that.

Actually it is a biological term: clickie and educate yourself

[JediMaster12]

Actually it is a biological term: clickie and educate yourself

From a social science perspective it is a social construct and I have doubts in trusting an entry from a wiki page.

 

Web Rider: Does being PC mean making comments such as those you were discussing mean that you have to appear to be snob? Frankly this exchange of insults is petty and not essential to the issues the US is facing.

[Inyri]

From a social science perspective it is a social construct and I have doubts in trusting an entry from a wiki page.

I trust my biology degree that says the wiki page is accurate. And just because you looked at it from a social perspective doesn't mean it isn't a biological term. Please do some research before you decide to nitpick semantics.

[Web Rider]

Web Rider: Does being PC mean making comments such as those you were discussing mean that you have to appear to be snob? Frankly this exchange of insults is petty and not essential to the issues the US is facing.

 

Of course they're not essential to the issues, what bugged me is that Jae talked about women like they never say those sorts of things about men. And that's simply not true, I don't like the jokes regardless of what side they're coming from, but it's unfair, and downright incorrect to say or imply that women don't do it.

 

IMO, if Obama loses there will only be race riots if certain electorates repeated some of their practices of keeping people out of the polls. And they might very well be aware of this and attempt to correct it to keep themselves from harm.

 

Me personally, I don't think I can stomach another 4 years of this country doing the whole Bush Doctrine thing. I'm not particularly fond of any other country in particular to move to, but I don't think I'd have much fondness for this one left with another 4 years of Bushness.

[Jae Onasi]

Race, ethnicity, whatever. Wave your degrees around in PMs if you need, but the topic is what would happen if Obama loses. Please stay on topic.

 

As for the sexism discussion, yes men and women talk that way. However, I prefer not to deal with the boy's locker room 'OMG Palin is teh HAWT', especially in a thread that's trying to deal with racism issues.

 

If Obama got assassinated, I think we would also see riots, unless Biden was able to rally enough of the black leadership to quell any violence.

[mimartin]

If Obama got assassinated, I think we would also see riots, unless Biden was able to rally enough of the black leadership to quell any violence.

I think it all depends on who was behind the assassination. If the shooter was killed and turned out to be a terrorist, I doubt there would be riots. There may be retaliation against the innocent American-Muslim population, but I doubt full scale riots. Now if Dick Cheney invites Obama hunting...

 

If the election turns out like the 2000 election then I do see riots. If the election were decided again by the United States Supreme Court instead of the Electoral College then I will be out there rioting with the masses. So, count one old white Scott/Irish/Cherokee among the rabble.

[Achilles]

However, I prefer not to deal with the boy's locker room 'OMG Palin is teh HAWT', especially in a thread that's trying to deal with racism issues.

The "hawt" comments didn't begin until after you accused us of being sexist, so I still don't understand how you came to the conclusion that we were being sexist in the first place. Since you did use a broad brush to label quite a few people, I don't think it unreasonable to expect an explanation here (or you could withdraw the comment). Thanks for your attention.

[Web Rider]

The "hawt" comments didn't begin until after you accused us of being sexist, so I still don't understand how you came to the conclusion that we were being sexist in the first place. Since you did use a broad brush to label quite a few people, I don't think it unreasonable to expect an explanation here (or you could withdraw the comment). Thanks for your attention.

 

I have to agree that this was my summation as well, though I was planning to let the issue drop, since it hasn't been, I suppose I'll speak up that yeah, those statements did not occur, or did not occur until after your post. A quick review of those posts does not lead me to find any comments beyond posters saying they were more or less afraid of Hillary than Palin.

[Yar-El]

Why does not liking Hillary because of her demeanor constitute "blatant sexism"?

 

Achilles - Here is your answer:

As President Yes, I'm more afraid of Palin than Hilary.

 

If we are taking about going out on a date, then I'm more afraid of Hilary.

Yes, this is a sexist comment. Jae was commenting on mimartin's statement, and the others who replied in a similar fashion. :tsk:

 

As for the topic at hand, Obama's loss would change the United States. People would riot regardless about the marginal difference. If the differences are larger, the riots will be smaller and isolated. - If the difference is smaller in points, the riots will be larger and more worldly.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Yes, this is a sexist comment. Jae was commenting on mimartin's statement, and the others who replied in a similar fashion. :tsk:

She was responding to HOP's comment:

 

Just brilliant. I tend to agree with Qliveur about Hillary though...she would do it if she thought she could get away with it. Oh, imagine poor Bill having to actually live with her. *shudders*

 

Which wasn't actually sexist since he'd be the first First Man (or whatever he'd be referred to) ever and Hillary's Hillary, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near her either, especially if I was married to her because of our political careers. Her calling someone out about sexism in a joking manner (which was how I interpreted his comment) is especially amusing since I've seen her post jokes about the stereotypical male who is obsessed with sex both here and on Skype.

[mimartin]

Yes, this is a sexist comment. Jae was commenting on mimartin's statement, and the others who replied in a similar fashion. :tsk:

 

My comment was a joke and nothing more. Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I could care less if I am labeled a sexist by anyone on this forum. However, my intention was merely to make a joke, not to offend anyone. If Jae finds my comment offensive then she is within her rights as a Moderator to delete the post. Even though I cannot see how it violates any forum rule, I understand a Moderator can delete a post at their own discretion.

 

I will not apologize for the post, as I see nothing sexist about it. The way I judge that is, I would not be embarrassed if my mother, stepmother or grandmothers read it. I regret that if anyone found it offensive, but that was not how it was intended.

[Corinthian]

Isn't it pretty racist to assume that if Obama loses the race, there will be race riots? Do you believe that the Black Community is that...temperamental, Yar-El?

[Yar-El]

Isn't it pretty racist to assume that if Obama loses the race, there will be race riots? Do you believe that the Black Community is that...temperamental, Yar-El?

People who think Obama's loss is a step back for the African-American community may riot. I wasn't pointing to a specific social or ethnic group. My comment was not clear, and I apologize for not being specific.

 

Web Rider -

Whites? European-American thank you. Lol...

[Web Rider]

Isn't it pretty racist to assume that if Obama loses the race, there will be race riots? Do you believe that the Black Community is that...temperamental, Yar-El?

 

Actually, I've been thinking that too about a number of posts here saying there will be race riots if Obama isn't elected by a slim margin. I'm fairly certain that if we had another Florida+Supreme Court fiasco like we did in 2000, there's be riots by people of every race. And considering that most of the country is white, and a lot of them support Obama, I'd think whites would make up a good proportion of the rioters, Latino's probably would too.

 

I think we'd see a fairly accurate representation of america's demographics if there are riots. From all I've read, the black community does not see Obama as their champion. Some don't support him at all.

[Corinthian]

So you're not saying that blacks are temperamental loons who will blow up like a powder keg if they don't get their way, you're saying that Liberals in general are like that? I mean, you aren't saying that there'll be rioting if McCain loses, so obviously, whatever the catalyst for the Rioting would be, it's on the Democrat's side.

[mimartin]

Well this loon will be marching in the streets if Obama wins or if McCain wins if the election is decided by the courts and not the Electoral College. I may lean more to the liberal side on social issues, but primarily I am a supporter of my country.

[Web Rider]

Web Rider -

Whites? European-American thank you. Lol...

 

Pfff, that's giving all of Europe credit for my heritage. I'm anglo-saxon thank you.

 

edit: Caucasian would also have been acceptable.

 

And because of the way the word applies, Latino works as well.

[Yar-El]

Pfff, that's giving all of Europe credit for my heritage. I'm anglo-saxon thank you.

 

edit: Caucasian would also have been acceptable.

 

And because of the way the word applies, Latino works as well.

Italian-American, Latino-America, European-American, etc... Who do we blame for the whole politically correct movement?

 

So you're not saying that blacks are temperamental loons who will blow up like a powder keg if they don't get their way, you're saying that Liberals in general are like that? I mean, you aren't saying that there'll be rioting if McCain loses, so obviously, whatever the catalyst for the Rioting would be, it's on the Democrat's side.

I was pretty clear in my post, so I'm not going to comment any further. We could thin out what I said forever.

[Corinthian]

Whatever. I just don't buy into the whole 'riot' thing. I think that's just fearmongering. It carries an undertone of a threat - Vote Obama, or you will regret it when the rioting starts. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

[Arcesious]

What if?

 

If it happens, it happens. I will do everything in my power to outsmart the clever economics of this unfair, partisan-ruled country if I have to though. I'd rather live than struggle to survive... Now all I need to do first is learn all the exact details on how this economy works so that I can manage my finances intelligently...

[Jae Onasi]

From all I've read, the black community does not see Obama as their champion.

An estimated 90 to 95% of African-Americans eligible to vote are, according to some polls, expected to vote for Obama. I think it's pretty safe to say Obama's their man.

 

I'm Anglo-Lithuanian-Scotch-Swiss-Swede-French-Irish-German-American Indian-American. I would like to be addressed in this manner rather than 'white'. That is all.

 

Now all I need to do first is learn all the exact details on how this economy works so that I can manage my finances intelligently...

It's very simple. Don't spend more than you earn.

[GarfieldJL]

People who think Obama's loss is a step back for the African-American community may riot. I wasn't pointing to a specific social or ethnic group. My comment was not clear, and I apologize for not being specific.

 

Web Rider -

Whites? European-American thank you. Lol...

 

I don't really give if people riot or not, I don't want a left wing lunatic with ties to terrorists, radicals, and extremists to be President of the United States.

 

Right now I'd rather see Hillary in the White House over Obama.