SilentScope001 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This thread is not me coming back. I'm not coming back. But I made a mistake. I need to take responsiblity for said mistake, rather than leave it unresolved. If I made a dumb prediction, I need to apologize for it. Time and time again, I repeated a dumb prediction about the True Sith: That they would be destroyed at the end of KOTOR3 and the galaxy would be saved. I was wrong. I was so wrong. That is because, as the KOTOR MMO showed, a new Sith Empire trimpuhed and acheived parity with the Old Republic. In fact, the Jedi had to relocate due to the power of this new Sith Empire. Players can ally with the Sith Empire or the Old Republic, and accept quests from both factions. It stands to reason that the new Sith Empire is likely backed by the True Sith...or maybe are the True Sith themselves. And since it is unlikely that this MMO would truly end, the Sith Empire will still exist for a long time, meaning that the True Sith won. I never, honestly, in a million years expected that. Never. Not even from Obisidan. Say what you will about The Old Republic MMO...but at least Bioware got guts to showcase the bad guys WINNING. So there we go. I made a dumb prediction, and I was proven wrong. I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 You didn't really have to make a new thread to apologize to people. People here really don't care either way about what your predictions are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Why was your prediction dumb if you had no reason to think it was incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How could it be a stupid prediction if you didn't know what was actually going to happen? That's what a prediction is, what you think is going to happen. You should be apologizing for this stupid thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Catto Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 ^^^^ QFE ... Sory, but this thread = FAIL in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Might take a little more effort to read behind the words he typed, but I believe anyone who replied to this so far can understand it. The apologize is not the point, he wants to incite a discussion about the True Sith and them winning against Revan and the Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 No, I'm not trying to incite an discussion. If I did, I would have it be in the title. I'm okay with what Bioware has done. I'm sure most people are, after all. I mean, it's their game now, and they got good reason to do it. And, it doesn't really matter what our views are, Bioware did it. So, really no discussion. I made a mistake, and I should have seen any consquences. You see, I had no reason at the time to believe that the True Sith would win, but that's the thing, I should have thought that way. I should have somehow thought that Obisidan or Bioware would have been creative enough to do that, to let the plotline continue, rather than to terminate it. I didn't. It was an honest mistake...but it was a mistake. That was it. I might have been hard on myself for calling it "stupid", but...I really should have known better. Especially with me cluttering the forum with nonsense like "why play the game if we know the ending", when it turns out I didn't know the ending. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderQ Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Oh, well in that case, a discussion could be in order to redeem the past predictions. But to be honest to the apology, it was a prediction, no absolute garuntee of what it was, so, you're being incorrect wasn't exactly something that needed to be apologized for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Okay, so that conclusion may again be wrong, SS. We don't know if the current Empire (by TOR time) is backed up or is the True Sith themselves. For all we know, the Emperor may be Revan or the Exile or a pupil of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentScope001 Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Okay, so that conclusion may again be wrong, SS. We don't know if the current Empire (by TOR time) is backed up or is the True Sith themselves. For all we know, the Emperor may be Revan or the Exile or a pupil of some kind. I guess that's true too. The fact that it's still "Sith" doesn't help the Republic any. Oh well. I'll apologize for this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredi Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Their no need to apologize, you can say what ever you want, it's you're life and you're mind. So don't feel sorry for expressing you're self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hey, least you aren't making threads and posts after posts, raging about this in my forum like some people are. You made a prediction, and it was off by some. I think just about everyone's predictions on this game were wrong. The 300 years in the future thing kind of caught everyone off guard, for example. But yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad to see it back in Bioware's hands instead of Obsidian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 But yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad to see it back in Bioware's hands instead of Obsidian. Amen to that, to some extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 But yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad to see it back in Bioware's hands instead of Obsidian. I disagree, Obsidian had the better story and better interface system, but they got the due date bumped up on them. Fact is, it's a miracle the game even worked at all. Developing Games takes a significant amount of time, and moving up the due date a few months can be disasterous. Bioware's game had a good story, but Obsidian is the one that came up with the True Sith storyline, and I don't believe Bioware would be able to finish the story. Now, I could see Obsidian and Bioware working together on KotOR III, but the storyline and some other things would have to remain Obsidian's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Now, I could see Obsidian and Bioware working together on KotOR III, but the storyline and some other things would have to remain Obsidian's. Storyline, perhaps. Storytelling? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Storyline, perhaps. Storytelling? No way. The storytelling was messed up because the release date was bumped up by a few months and they had to throw everything together, thus causing a lot of the story to end up being on the cutting room floor cause they were trying to get it so the game even worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 The storytelling was messed up because the release date was bumped up by a few months and they had to throw everything together, thus causing a lot of the story to end up being on the cutting room floor cause they were trying to get it so the game even worked. I'm well aware of what the development team passed through, but even if the process went smoothly the storytelling would probably still be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I'm well aware of what the development team passed through, but even if the process went smoothly the storytelling would probably still be bad. You can't argue that, I'm a Computer Graphics Technology Major and though I'm going into manufacturing graphics and not gaming, I know darn well that it takes a long time to get everything together for a game, and what Lucasarts did by bumping up the game forced them to go into attempting to throw together the game haphazzardly and debug it. We don't know what all got left out. We do know it was at least 1 planet, several planets were unfinished, Citadel Station was unfinished, multiple endings hadn't been put together yet, etc. The ability to teach your party members lightsaber forms is missing as well. Who knows what content is also missing that would have caused the story to flow more smoothly than it does currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctrl Alt Del Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 ^ Things like forms, stances, items, placeables, upgrades, side-quests and whatnot are neat additions to a game, surely. But how good are those things storywise? They hold no value to it. And of course, there were cut content, but almost everything vital to the story was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Sounds to me like you miss LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 You made a prediction, and it was off by some. I think just about everyone's predictions on this game were wrong. The 300 years in the future thing kind of caught everyone off guard, for example. But yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad to see it back in Bioware's hands instead of Obsidian. QFT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 But yeah, I agree with you. I'm glad to see it back in Bioware's hands instead of Obsidian. A cut deadline could've happened just as easily to BioWare. Their game would have been as worse off for it as Obsidian's was. I think it's a testament to them (Obsidian) that TSL was easily as good as its predecessor despite being developed in a third of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Still doesn't change the fact the story belonged in a D&D/NWN style universe. Mary Sues everywhere. Its odd that those praising Obsidian for TSL are the same ones I see complaining about Revan and Exile and the direction Avellone took the story. Sure, the game was ok stable and played. Doesn't deter from the fact that the story probably would not have changed most in the long run given more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Still doesn't change the fact the story belonged in a D&D/NWN style universe. That's why I liked it so much. It was Planescape: Torment II in everything but name. Mary Sues everywhere. Not to the degree that they were in K1. Its odd that those praising Obsidian for TSL are the same ones I see complaining about Revan and Exile and the direction Avellone took the story. I'm not. He was already established as a military genius and powerful Force-user in the first game, if that's the point you were making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Avery Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Not to the degree that they were in K1. Hey, least at the end of K1 you could decide to be evil. TSL made any decision you made in K1 "good" for the Universe as a whole. Even if your goal was destruction or to save all the little orphans, in the end Revan was always the hero. Added ontop of that bizarre characters like Exile and Sion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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