Achilles Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 well some of them are obviously staged everyone can agree on that but a few of them show things that are obviously true and i can tell just by the way they react wnd the way they go about it i know that will convince no one but that is my explination If you acknowledge that it's staged (in some cases), then how can you not suspect that even the "convincing" reactions are faked. These guys don't get money for not being convincing. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 well take TAPS for example they dont get paid they have other jobs and paranormal investigations are a side thing for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 dang ninja posts. Their website where they sell merchandise would disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 whos website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 well take TAPS for example they dont get paid they have other jobs and paranormal investigations are a side thing for them The same TAPS that has their own show on the Sci-Fi channel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I still have my fedora... one sweet hat! Especially for doing some tomb raiding in! Ooh, cool. Point Man and I have fedoras, and I have my official Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Luke Skywalker khaki jacket still, so I think I'm covered in the Jedi and archeologist department. I also wanted to be a meteorologist, too--saw my first official tornado funnel last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trench Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Meh, psychics, ghosts, angry spirits, I don't go in for all that stuff. Its all a bunch of nonsense (no offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanir Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The premise of paranormal investigations is a bit weird, even parapsychology walks the line of academic extremism exercising poor scientific procedure. (a falsifiable hypothesis, supported by testable results of reproducible experimentation and/or observation in nature, subject to peer review) The problem here is a falsifiable hypothesis. Now I know most secondary and even tertiary school science projects are based on proving a contention, but this is the difference between curriculum and research industry. Strictly speaking you get better peer review when no conclusions are made until directly suggested by data. School science projects are not designed to change the face of current theorum, just to familiarise students with the industry using foregone conclusions obviously. So when you're investigating parapsychology you've already gone and completely discounted Jung's collective subconscious as a viable explanation for any conclusive results, for example. Or any number of other equally valid explanations from Prophet of God to a case of sympathetic insanity. The best way to investigate unaccounted phenomenae is by accident. Find poltergeist activity in a controlled environment of medical test conditions, things like that. To actually cause this by design, the trick is to first and foremost falsify the hypothesis. If you want to investigate possession, use medicine and conventional anthropology. But as I've always asserted, these fantastic claims are really quite mundane realities. The fact possession for example, is describe by psychiatric means in no way changes anything about it. It's just less sensational for the media. The dangers to the individual, the causes, the effects, all the same. What our contemporary renditions of such occurances achieve is fewer backyard experts claiming abuse is an effective treatment. It locks out the idiots from comparing their opinions with dedicated professionals who are actually trying to help. Ghosts are a similar issue. The collective subconscious is really no big deal. But you can't go pay a local twat to come and wave holy water around for a thousand bucks an hour if it starts causing problems for you. You actually have to start making an effort to change things about your life, who you are, your activity cycles, how you regard society at large, stop taking drugs, listen more to what people are really saying, look deeper into small things which happen around you to achieve maturity, and learn to stop being afraid of your own shadow. Then when you 'see' a ghost you'll know what it is you're supposed to be thinking about, or that a car is about to come fast around the corner with no idea you're on the road in front of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Ooh, cool. Point Man and I have fedoras, and I have my official Star Wars Empire Strikes Back Luke Skywalker khaki jacket still, so I think I'm covered in the Jedi and archeologist department. I also wanted to be a meteorologist, too--saw my first official tornado funnel last week. But did you drive a red pickup into it with a sensor pack in the back, called Dorothy, and a reproductive therapist in the back seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 It's all just terrible television. I don't believe any of it. But then again, seeing as most 'Paranormal Investigation' programmes here in the UK involve Derek Acorah or Yvette Cooper walking through a dark room screaming at random intervals, it's hardly surprisng that nobody takes it seriously. The only way i'll believe in Ghosts/Ghouls/Ethereal creatures is if I personally see one. Although, then again, non-believer that I am, as a 10 year old visiting Warwick Castle's Ghost Tower I was pretty durned scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAlex Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Don't be ridicules guys. Of course ghosts exist; most of my best buddies are ghosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 well i can see im not convincing anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAlex Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Don't try to. Just believe & do whatever suits you the most, or whatever makes you happiest. I have given up trying to convince people to change their believes or their ways of life a long time ago. The most I can do is tell them what I think, and then they can do whatever they want with that information. If persuading people is something you want to do though, go right ahead. It is, however, very unlikely that you will convince someone who's not even a little interested in what you have to say, or, even less likely, someone who is totally against your ideas. So unless you find a group that is already leaning towards your believes, I wouldn't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 yeah that makes sense i think its best not to try to change peoples beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Don't try to. Just believe & do whatever suits you the most, or whatever makes you happiest. Indeed, because without people who aren't willing to examine things critically, how else are they supposed to make money? So go ahead and keep on watching their shows so that corporations will spend money to buy their marketing slots which will eventually end up paying their salaries. And do so with the knowledge that you've helped to make fooling people a way to earn a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Indeed, because without people who aren't willing to examine things critically, how else are they supposed to make money? So go ahead and keep on watching their shows so that corporations will spend money to buy their marketing slots which will eventually end up paying their salaries. And do so with the knowledge that you've helped to make fooling people a way to earn a living. i refuse to sgree to that but ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 There's nothing there to disagree with. It's fact. Television shows earn money by selling time to advertisers. The more viewers there are, the more money the programmers can charge for the advertising time. So even if you do nothing else other than watch these show you help these guys earn a living by running around pretending to find ghosts and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Indeed, because without people who aren't willing to examine things critically, how else are they supposed to make money? So go ahead and keep on watching their shows so that corporations will spend money to buy their marketing slots which will eventually end up paying their salaries. And do so with the knowledge that you've helped to make fooling people a way to earn a living. Yes yes, because shows on discovery and sci fi are so much worse than the drivel that passes for network television these days. I'll take cable any day over the garbage that NBC, CBS, and ABC continue to spew out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAlex Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Indeed, because without people who aren't willing to examine things critically, how else are they supposed to make money? So go ahead and keep on watching their shows so that corporations will spend money to buy their marketing slots which will eventually end up paying their salaries. And do so with the knowledge that you've helped to make fooling people a way to earn a living. Yes, totally agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Yes yes, because shows on discovery and sci fi are so much worse than the drivel that passes for network television these days. I'll take cable any day over the garbage that NBC, CBS, and ABC continue to spew out. Heaven forbid you unplug the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Heaven forbid you unplug the damn thing. Yes, because it's just sooo evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The point remains that your options are not only cable or network. Even if we were to accept that cable is better than network, that doesn't mean that cable networks (including sci-fi and discovery) don't depend on viewer numbers to justify their existence/make their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Of course they depend on viewer numbers I couldn't possibly deny that even if I wanted to....but if one wants to watch television you have two choices really...network or non-network correct? At any rate, far as the original topic goes my thoughts are believe what you choose Mandalore, and don't let anyone here tell you otherwise. I don't have much experience with the topic, but at one time many of the things we accept as scientific fact today were once thought to be dreams, fantasies, and fallacies. (i.e. the world is round) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalore The Shadow Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 I STILL dissagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAthos Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I STILL dissagree With what? or whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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