Praise the President?

[Bimmerman]

Interesting, b/c most conservatives I've met don't fall into that mold. Re the worship thing, actually there is......the modern democrat progressive. This wasn't the first incident of this kind of stuff, as ZN's video demonstrated. Other examples were occurring circa the election. As this one occurred during Black History month and was only released on Yuotube recently, it's impossible to say with certitude how much of this has been going on around the country. That the Dept of Ed would think to include materials for his recent speech that had the students consider what they would do to help the President's agenda (hence politicizing the event) says that the "adults" in charge probably need to go back to school themselves for civics lessons.

 

No, it's not the first incident, but it's a rather gigantic stretch of imagination to assume it's related, and thus the liberals' fault.

 

I believe it's already been pointed out that the children in a private function weren't worshipping Bush. If you pray FOR someone, you're not praying TO that person. Based on the clip you provided, they aren't "worshipping" him. The BO stuff ain't so benign by comparison. It does compare more to what you might expect to find in VZ or NK, where you have cult of personality politics in play.

 

And like I said, there's a distinction between praying and the SuperPraying going on there. Regardless of what you call worship or praying, that clip doesn't bother you? The manner in which the President's effigy is presented to the children makes it a de facto symbol and idol, to which the children are praying....what exactly differentiates that from outright worship? Bush is being elevated not to god-level worship, but worship nontheless.

 

No, he's providing but another example of the loony left trying to deify BO and cast him as some kind of savior. I don't believe that all liberals buy into the glorification process any more than all conservatives do for "Saint Ron". But to cast it is as some mere aberration would be factually incorrect.

 

I agree on the Ron Paul-ism (and arguably the same for "i heart reagan more than you" type of Republican politicking). I disagree on the notion this is more than a mere aberration; it is just that. If this was happening nationwide, or school-district wide, or even school-wide, then yes that's a pattern. As it is, this is just a display of the poor judgement of a articular leftist teacher and superintendent, not the school system at all.

 

Interesting. Are you in the south? I've no doubt you'd find the evangelical types in the conservative movement, but they also vote liberal too. I suspect many religious types don't vote monolithically. You had Catholics voting for McCain as well as for Obama. Jews probably segregated along Orthodox and reformed in who they voted for as well.

 

Nope. Colorado. Of course no single group will always vote the same way, be it evangelicals, atheists, gays, gun owners, racers, meat packers, etc. By and large though, they do. It was only two years ago that there was lots of uproar about the rather blatant panderings to the religious right, how has this been forgotten so quickly? Many non-religious conservatives I know despise the Republican party for pandering to the religious nuts so effectively. Up until the 06 elections, which, yes, were partly a referendum on Bush/Iraq, the conservative and Republican agenda pretty much centered on God, Guns, and (bashing)Gays. It was more apparent at low-level governing, but still appalingly prevalent at the national level. It was always insanely obvious to me, but then again, I'm not a religious person.

 

Wasn't the first time a "liberal teacher" (you don't find many conservatives in education, esp at the lower levels in the public system) has done this kind of thing. Also, given that it's liberal radicals like Bill Ayers that have a significant hand in crafting national curriculums, it's not so surprising.

One of the most well-respected teachers I had growing up, with a PhD no less, was a raging conservative. They aren't that common in education, no, but neither are truly liberal teachers. Most teachers I had were resoundingly moderate centrists. Only a few were "liberals" in the sense of the word you mean.

 

I challenge you to show me where, in national educational curriculum, it says "students must praise Obama, show fealty, or otherwise become future liberal nuts." It doesn't, you know that, why perpetuate what you know to be false?

 

Regardless, how does the one obviously liberal teacher in the video equal a vast liberal conspiracy? How is this singing the fault of the Democrats, Obama, or Liberals? How does the actions of a singular teacher give insight into the mind and desires of Liberals?

 

It's not, and it doesn't, just like how the prayer/worship/idiocy on display in the Jesus Camp documentary is not descriptive of the vast majority of conservatives and Republicans. That is the point I have been trying to make.

 

Saying "blah blah blah Liberals Obama blah blah statism blah blah socialism" for clearly no reason is akin to people two years ago going "blah blah blah Bush blah Republicans blah bigotry blah blah blah financial idiots"

 

One bad apple, a bushel does not spoil.

 

I find it interesting that a self described "conservative" would have voted for BO. Why not some third party candidate? Or are you saying you veer more toward liberatarian ideals? Frankly, the last election for me was merely a case of BO or Obama lite. Maybe you figured you'd settle for the real thing.

 

Why? The actual reason to elect a President is to choose the best candidate to lead the country, not because of his tie color. He was the best candidate in my opinion, so I voted for him. The politics were a secondary issue, but considering the Republican agenda didn't appear any different from Bush's (hatred of gays, no abortions, stay in iraq, no economic policy, etc etc), I didn't want any part of that. So I voted my conscience, and voted Democratic. I honestly fear a "real conservative" if the mindless ramblings of Limbaugh et al are anything to go by. Why would I waste my vote on a third party anyway? If I'm going to take time out of my day to vote it is going to matter.

 

And yes, I'm pretty much the picture-perfect description of a Libertarian. I like people, want them to be happy, but I also like my money. Makes voting hard, and means I'm pretty much that oft-maligned swing voter that actually decides elections.

 

 

Bush did become Johnsonian with his guns' butter policies (wars, MC bill, etc..). However, Congress disposes,and the president merely proposes. The dems are as responsible for the current mess as the other side. I agree with you that the reps should have tried to exercise greater fiscal responsibility and not "lose their way".

That is true, I can't argue with that since I agree. The dems are only responsible circa 2006, but still....I have less than zero confidence in either party. The Republicans lost their way a looooooong time ago, when the party of "Personal Freedom and Small Government" turned into "I Hate Terrorists Let's Make More Government In The Name Of Security and Take Away Your Freedoms." You could say for a Republican I hate my party (and boy do they hate me), but hate the democrats more. What a quandary.

 

I supppose if you move the bar for defining centrism (afterall Al Franken thinks he's a moderate ). The reps largely veered from "conservatism" prior to 2006/8, so I think the elections were more about Bush/Cheney than anything else. Still, amazing how the economic problems of the US only got worse w/dem control of Congress. The problem becomes that it's the party leadership more often than the rank-n-file that fit the description of the stereotype. Whether many dems are as loony as the ldrship of that party is open to debate in my book, but I give them the benefit of the doubt to demonstrate one way or the other. Same could be said of the other side.

 

I couldn't agree more. Economically, the democrats did almost nothing to cause or prevent the crash in the two years they were in power, just like the republicans did almost nothing as well the years they were. Financial markets are pretty removed from politics......but politicians want you to think they have sway. The dems are historically bad with money, but look at the recent 94-06 term that the repubs were in office, and yea, they were every bit as bad as dems were. Except the Republicans had the gall to claim they were Reagan's chosen....as if the 80s has any relevance to modern times.

 

Either way, the Dems have screwed up royally, the Repubs have screwed up royally, but neither party has any directive in place to make school children praise or worship the President; that is simply the result of stupid adults in positions of responsibility.

 

Yes, the degree to which many people look to the feds as the solutions to life's problems and want to duck any real responsibility for their own lives is sad and alarming.

 

People are stupid. Really stupid. And absurdly lazy.

[El Sitherino]

I guess no one here remembers Ike, FDR, Truman, or Kennedy.

[Totenkopf]

No, it's not the first incident, but it's a rather gigantic stretch of imagination to assume it's related, and thus the liberals' fault.

 

I would disagree with you in the sense that I'm not claiming a conspiracy so much as yet more of the same kind of behavior from progressive libs. They tend to predominate heavily in areas like education, media, etc... Since they are obviously libs in the contemporary sense, it is the "liberals" fault. They've certainly created an environment where these kinds of people feel very comfortable doing something like this.

 

 

And like I said, there's a distinction between praying and the SuperPraying going on there. Regardless of what you call worship or praying, that clip doesn't bother you? The manner in which the President's effigy is presented to the children makes it a de facto symbol and idol, to which the children are praying....what exactly differentiates that from outright worship? Bush is being elevated not to god-level worship, but worship nontheless.

 

Again, though, it's the difference between a private group engaging its members to "pray" for someone and kids being used to score political points in the public school system.

 

 

I agree on the Ron Paul-ism (and arguably the same for "i heart reagan more than you" type of Republican politicking). I disagree on the notion this is more than a mere aberration; it is just that. If this was happening nationwide, or school-district wide, or even school-wide, then yes that's a pattern. As it is, this is just a display of the poor judgement of a articular leftist teacher and superintendent, not the school system at all.

 

Actually, I meant Ronald Reagan. Wasn't even thinking of Paul, but take your point nonetheless.

 

 

Nope. Colorado. Of course no single group will always vote the same way, be it evangelicals, atheists, gays, gun owners, racers, meat packers, etc. By and large though, they do. It was only two years ago that there was lots of uproar about the rather blatant panderings to the religious right, how has this been forgotten so quickly? Many non-religious conservatives I know despise the Republican party for pandering to the religious nuts so effectively. Up until the 06 elections, which, yes, were partly a referendum on Bush/Iraq, the conservative and Republican agenda pretty much centered on God, Guns, and (bashing)Gays. It was more apparent at low-level governing, but still appalingly prevalent at the national level. It was always insanely obvious to me, but then again, I'm not a religious person.

 

The same has been said of the democrat party and its catering to increasingly "mainstreamed" fringe povs on everything from ecology to gay rights. Seems the people deemed extremists in both parties are the ones who get politicians' ears b/c they are the best organized and very active in pushing their respective agendas.

 

One of the most well-respected teachers I had growing up, with a PhD no less, was a raging conservative. They aren't that common in education, no, but neither are truly liberal teachers. Most teachers I had were resoundingly moderate centrists. Only a few were "liberals" in the sense of the word you mean.

 

I suspect there are more liberals than you think, but contend much of the idealogical rot is toward the top and "midmanagement" where curriculums are devised and not necessarily in the rank and file.

 

I challenge you to show me where, in national educational curriculum, it says "students must praise Obama, show fealty, or otherwise become future liberal nuts." It doesn't, you know that, why perpetuate what you know to be false?

 

I'll pass on this for two reasons. One, I never claimed they were so bold as to say that openly. Two, I think they are more intelligent than to be so obvious. Much like a politician that intends to raise your taxes, but doesn't come out and say that's what is really being done. But, like you I imagine, I wouldn't perpetuate something I KNEW to be false.

 

 

Regardless, how does the one obviously liberal teacher in the video equal a vast liberal conspiracy? How is this singing the fault of the Democrats, Obama, or Liberals? How does the actions of a singular teacher give insight into the mind and desires of Liberals?

 

It's not, and it doesn't, just like how the prayer/worship/idiocy on display in the Jesus Camp documentary is not descriptive of the vast majority of conservatives and Republicans. That is the point I have been trying to make.

 

Saying "blah blah blah Liberals Obama blah blah statism blah blah socialism" for clearly no reason is akin to people two years ago going "blah blah blah Bush blah Republicans blah bigotry blah blah blah financial idiots"

 

One bad apple, a bushel does not spoil.

 

If this were the only example out there, I'd agree that it was merely one case of monumentally bad judgement. I think there're ample examples out there of the progressive mind at work, in and out of the education field.

 

Why? The actual reason to elect a President is to choose the best candidate to lead the country, not because of his tie color. He was the best candidate in my opinion, so I voted for him. The politics were a secondary issue, but considering the Republican agenda didn't appear any different from Bush's (hatred of gays, no abortions, stay in iraq, no economic policy, etc etc), I didn't want any part of that. So I voted my conscience, and voted Democratic. I honestly fear a "real conservative" if the mindless ramblings of Limbaugh et al are anything to go by. Why would I waste my vote on a third party anyway? If I'm going to take time out of my day to vote it is going to matter.

 

Best as in the best of two deplorable choices? Given the American legal system's love of precedents, I couldn't vote for BO b/c I thought his politics were worse for America than even McCain's (where they weren't almost indistinguishable such as on immigration and anthropogenic climate change).

 

 

You could say for a Republican I hate my party (and boy do they hate me), but hate the democrats more. What a quandary.

 

Too true.

 

People are stupid. Really stupid. And absurdly lazy.

 

Amen.

[Darth Avlectus]

Why not? Don't children in your country already have to 'pledge alleigience to the flag' every morning?

 

The pledge is entirely optional by now. Remember how that thread in the senate debated getting rid of the motto "in god we trust"? It's the same sort of people for these same reasonas it is now optional.

 

I'm going to just say this: you conservatives are being hypocrites.

...Thanks Bimmer.

 

From a historical viewpoint, praises for your leaders has been seen in pre fascist eras with leaders who were about to usurp their nation. Not saying it's necessarily the case here. However, I would personally appreciate it if our presidents of late were not so drawn into the celb spotlight and more focused on their jobs like they should be.

Source: Jesus Camp documentary. Go rent it and fear for the future.

 

So, religiously indoctrinated children worshiping President Bush is ok, but children simply praising President Obama is not?

 

Hypocrites.

 

Prayer for and praise for are not one and the same no matter how you try to toss it. To be fair I think brainwashing in any name is deplorable regardless whatever your alignment.

 

Both videos show children being brainwashed, but since it's liberals doing it, now there's an outrage. Go find something actually important to get hot and bothered by, or at least recognize the hypocrisy.

 

Same could be said to libs about that video as well. I do recognize hypocrisy and racism amonst my own and frankly find it embarrassing.

 

How do we stop this? Stop paying so much attention to it on both ends (brainwashing included), and as for racism and how we end it? Morgan Freeman said on a 60 minutes interview said: Stop talking about it.

 

I have had teachers say and do a loooot more politically controversial actions while in their official capacity as teachers. This hardly ruffles my feathers.

It wastefully detracts from the function of school, regardless.

 

@TMM- there's a big difference between praying and praying. This falls under the latter, and looks an awful lot like worship to me. Granted, yes, these kids are doing so in a private setting, but it still bothers me significantly more than the kids in the classroom (and not because it's Bush, but because they're worshiping the President and "giving him strength to fight xxxxx").

The basic point is that what is upsetting in either case is this "leader love".

 

While, no, that new Obama song isn't absolute heaving worship--it is at that age an exercise in tenet indoctrination begins on impressionable minds. In the immediate it is little in the way of harm done. Long term, it is an unshakeable idolization.

 

The Jesus camp obviously uses more powerful and accelerated methodologies.

 

Either way I would say this is a bad thing to do.

 

@Ten 96- I agree with you, forcing political views on children is bad no matter what party or side of the isle it is. I just find it incredibly ironic that conservatives are up in arms about what they do anyway, but only when liberals do it. Again, hypocrisy. (See evolution vs intelligent design debates in Texas, Kansas, etc, religion in the classroom, sex education, etc).

Same goes likewise liberals about conservatives in opposite roles so all you're doing here is begging the question.

 

And, for the record, I'm a registered Republican, so....calling me a liberal is hardly correct.

 

As well, a republican does not always = conservative; democrat does not always = liberal, so a generalization does not justify conflating them either.

[Ten-96]

Why? The actual reason to elect a President is to choose the best candidate to lead the country, not because of his tie color. He was the best candidate in my opinion, so I voted for him. The politics were a secondary issue, but considering the Republican agenda didn't appear any different from Bush's (hatred of gays, no abortions, stay in iraq, no economic policy, etc etc), I didn't want any part of that. So I voted my conscience, and voted Democratic. I honestly fear a "real conservative" if the mindless ramblings of Limbaugh et al are anything to go by. Why would I waste my vote on a third party anyway? If I'm going to take time out of my day to vote it is going to matter.

 

Best candidate? Someone with no executive experience whatsoever. By the way, President Bush didn't hate gays; he didn't believe that they had the right to be married. As far as President Bush's economic policies are concerned, you lost me on that point. President Bush did increase our debt funding the war and he did start the bail-out process (which I still contend is not in the President's or Congress' enumerated powers under the Constitution). He didn't however quadruple the debt in less than one year nor did he spend more than every President before him combined like Obama has. You may be surprised that "real" Conservatives (myself included) believe in fiscal responsibility. We believe that a person can spend their money better than the Government. We believe that you should keep more of your money for you and your family; ie. less taxes. We believe in and defend the Constitution. We support our troops regardless of the reason that they are at war. There are numerous other things but I'll be even more off topic than I am now.

 

*Almost forgot - for those of you who think you have a hard time, trying be a black conservative in a liberal state.*

[Sir Vougalot]

George Walker Bush. Mmm mmm mmm. Save the Iraqi people. Mmm mmm mmm.

[Totenkopf]

*Almost forgot - for those of you who think you have a hard time, trying be a black conservative in a liberal state.*

 

 

I'd hasten to add just modern America in general. I think black conservatives are just an oxymoron in the eyes of most liberals.

[El Sitherino]

I think the thing that made it the most offensive to me is the line, "...All are equal in his sight."

 

 

Your thoughts?

 

What's so bad about saying all Americans are equal in his sight?

[ForeverNight]

I think it's more the insinuation that the opposition doesn't hold the same truth, "that all [people] are created equal."

[El Sitherino]

I think it's more the insinuation that the opposition doesn't hold the same truth, "that all [people] are created equal."

 

Well I'm sure if Michael Steele accomplished something other than regurgitating outdated racial stereotypes, they would have had a song about him in the same Black History Month show that this was from. They did presentations for all the black figures that have made landmarks in American history and have progressed the recognition of blacks in America.

 

At least they didn't have them sing **** the Police, which rocketed rap to the stage it is today and gave lots of mysoginist black men the voice they so deeply craved.

[Totenkopf]

Actually, I gonna guess that some feel the expression "in (H)is sight" has quasi-religious overtones. Frankly, the whole thing is amateurish and has no place in public schools. I've heard many liberals agree that it was out of place in the setting in question. Sub Bush for Obama and the people on the other side of the political aisle would have screamed bloody murder.

[Ten-96]

El Sitherino,

 

The problem with that particular line is it's religious reference. It was an adaptation from the song, "Jesus Loves the Little Children." Here is the verse:

 

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Black and yellow, red and white

They're all precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

 

I understand that Obama had nothing to do with the song. I have no issue with that. The issue I have is that there are those who would like us to believe that there is nothing wrong with what was done in the video.

 

Well I'm sure if Michael Steele accomplished something other than regurgitating outdated racial stereotypes, they would have had a song about him in the same Black History Month show that this was from. They did presentations for all the black figures that have made landmarks in American history and have progressed the recognition of blacks in America.

 

I was unaware that being elected as Republican National Committee Chairman wasn't an accomplishment. As far as this black man is concerned, Michael Steele is doing a decent job; far better than when he started. Not to mention that he was instrumental during his tenure as Lt. Governor for the state of Maryland (where I live). I purposely left out the rest of your post. You should be more careful with your claims. Most black men who listen to or like rap music aren't misogynists. I'm sure they're in the vast minority. Just because we listen to a song doesn't mean we agree with the singer's point of view. Case in point: How many of you like the movie "Terminator"? I know I did. However, there was a scene where Arnold Schwarzenegger killed an entire precinct of Police Officers. I don't recall many people getting up in arms over that.

[cire992]

... I don't get it. This stuff happens, it will always happen, we can't do anything about it except be pissed off and argue about who's right and wrong when in reality everyone is wrong as far as someone else is concerned.

 

This whole thing is probably just scripted anyways. Sometimes politicians don't get good soundbytes on the news when they just keep complaining about each other, so they wait for some inane local news story and turn it into freakin' judgement day. The conservatives can complain about liberal indoctrination or some s*** and liberals can complain about the education system and after a week the story will die down and nothing will be done about it. The politicians get some nice bullet points for their next election, and a bunch of kids can brag to their grandparents this christmas that they got to sing on TV!

 

God Bless America, the biggest circus on Earth!

[El Sitherino]

Actually, I gonna guess that some feel the expression "in (H)is sight" has quasi-religious overtones.

They can feel that way all they want, doesn't make it true.

 

Frankly, the whole thing is amateurish and has no place in public schools.

... It's kids and you complain it's amateurish?

You should be a play review at the Washington Post if you're going to rip on kids performance abilities.

 

I've heard many liberals agree that it was out of place in the setting in question.

It was all the way back in February for a show about Black History Month in which they did skits and performances in appreciations for monumental moments in black history. I suppose a song about Martin Luther King Jr. is also out of place.

I'll agree to one thing, it was a really poorly done song, but I don't think I'd really expect something like Rent from a New Jersey public school, they can't even get 45% of the kids to standard reading material levels.

 

Sub Bush for Obama and the people on the other side of the political aisle would have screamed bloody murder.

Not really, we did plenty of stuff at my school for Bush. We had lots of talks about George Bush, then again I live in Texas and anything a Texan does or pretty much anything anyone does in the name of Texas is talked about, sung about, painted, interpretively danced to, etc.

As well kids have sung for Bush plenty of times, remember when he first visited the victims of Katrina and those kids sang of him and the work he and all agencies are doing to help them? Apparently not, but I do, and sadly only those at MSNBC did as well. And yes I do hesitate to mention them as I dislike them as much as you.

 

El Sitherino,

 

The problem with that particular line is it's religious reference.

Not really, there are many references this can be to, praise doesn't simply imply a religious aspect.

 

I was unaware that being elected as Republican National Committee Chairman wasn't an accomplishment.

You're right, it is an accomplishment. The fact remains however that he is not recognized by his republican colleagues which kind of makes his headmanships purpose apparent. Michael Steele wasn't selected because of his work, he was selected because he's black, just as Palin was chosen because she's a woman. Considering there are better candidates in the Republican party to fill both of the token seats, it's just a little too easy to see.

 

As far as this black man is concerned, Michael Steele is doing a decent job; far better than when he started.

I agree, he's making a better living than when he started, but if all he has to offer are catchy phrases from 1993, he's not doing too decent a job.

 

You should be more careful with your claims. Most black men who listen to or like rap music aren't misogynists.

Hahaha, I listen to rap. As well I know what I said.

Perhaps instead of getting overly-emotional and assuming I said all rap = mysoginistic, you should read that **** the Police gave rise to the stage rap has now. NWA started gangsta rap, which progressed to materialistic and overly sexual based lyrics that proclaim women as another object to be owned. No where does this say all rap is mysoginistic, it simply pointed out that some rap is.

Myself, I prefer things along the lines of Mos Def, KRS-one, etc. Though I'm also a fan of Wu-Tang Clan, Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony.

 

I'm sure they're in the vast minority.

I'm sure they are, but that doesn't change the fact that the idea in general is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I like NWA just fine, but pretty much every mTV rapper these days is an unoriginal rip-off.

 

Just because we listen to a song doesn't mean we agree with the singer's point of view. Case in point: How many of you like the movie "Terminator"? I know I did. However, there was a scene where Arnold Schwarzenegger killed an entire precinct of Police Officers. I don't recall many people getting up in arms over that.

I don't believe I ever said it was a bad thing to do, entertainment is just that. But I suppose I do have a problem with all the cheesy like movies such as "Terminators", "The Cyborg Killer", "The Hunter". If you can't do as good or better than the original, don't bother wasting my time and airspace. As well, it wouldn't exactly be kosher for elementary kids to be doing rhymes about a bitch is a bitch or killing a cop, which was my actual point.

 

So again, don't confuse my words because you want to create a controversy. I'm not Jimmy Carter.

 

 

... I don't get it. This stuff happens, it will always happen, we can't do anything about it except be pissed off and argue about who's right and wrong when in reality everyone is wrong as far as someone else is concerned.

 

This whole thing is probably just scripted anyways. Sometimes politicians don't get good soundbytes on the news when they just keep complaining about each other, so they wait for some inane local news story and turn it into freakin' judgement day. The conservatives can complain about liberal indoctrination or some s*** and liberals can complain about the education system and after a week the story will die down and nothing will be done about it. The politicians get some nice bullet points for their next election, and a bunch of kids can brag to their grandparents this christmas that they got to sing on TV!

 

God Bless America, the biggest circus on Earth!

 

Well said, kind of makes me excited I'll be in Afghanistan in not too long. Something about an Afghani warlord yelling at me seems infinitely more exciting than continuing to listen to all this butt-hurt.

[Totenkopf]

They can feel that way all they want, doesn't make it true.

Doesn't make it false either.

 

... It's kids and you complain it's amateurish?

You should be a play review at the Washington Post if you're going to rip on kids performance abilities.

 

Not the kids, the adults who arranged and scored it. Kids at that age are often just pieces of clay that are occasionally willfull and obstreperous.

 

It was all the way back in February for a show about Black History Month in which they did skits and performances in appreciations for monumental moments in black history. I suppose a song about Martin Luther King Jr. is also out of place.

I'll agree to one thing, it was a really poorly done song, but I don't think I'd really expect something like Rent from a New Jersey public school, they can't even get 45% of the kids to standard reading material levels.

 

It's just another in a series of vids that says more about the adults behind them than anything else. 45% likely at the end of high school even...

 

Not really, we did plenty of stuff at my school for Bush. We had lots of talks about George Bush, then again I live in Texas and anything a Texan does or pretty much anything anyone does in the name of Texas is talked about, sung about, painted, interpretively danced to, etc.

As well kids have sung for Bush plenty of times, remember when he first visited the victims of Katrina and those kids sang of him and the work he and all agencies are doing to help them? Apparently not, but I do, and sadly only those at MSNBC did as well. And yes I do hesitate to mention them as I dislike them as much as you.

 

And to what extent were those discussions of Bush bordering on deification? That would have been wrong too, even for TX. As to MSNBC, I never said you were ALL bad.

 

 

 

 

You're right, it is an accomplishment. The fact remains however that he is not recognized by his republican colleagues which kind of makes his headmanships purpose apparent. Michael Steele wasn't selected because of his work, he was selected because he's black, just as Palin was chosen because she's a woman. Considering there are better candidates in the Republican party to fill both of the token seats, it's just a little too easy to see.

 

The same was true of BO. His main virtue was that he was black and a true believer. He wasn't picked for his credentials, unless it was his apparent speech reading ability or relatively youthful appearance.

[jonathan7]

Ok, this thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast; its been going round in circles for quite a while. Please do not use terms like "loony" to describe the extremists in a group, please us the word "extremist" or "fundementalist" -- please be civil to one another -- j7

[Ten-96]

Not really, there are many references this can be to, praise doesn't simply imply a religious aspect.

 

Sorry, but there aren't any other references to any other song other than "Jesus Loves the Little Children." The verse is virtually verbatim. Here it is again:

 

Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Black and yellow, red and white

They're all precious in His sight

Jesus loves the little children of the world

 

You'll notice that the word in bold are virtually identical to the ones recited in the video.

 

You're right, it is an accomplishment. The fact remains however that he is not recognized by his republican colleagues which kind of makes his headmanships purpose apparent. Michael Steele wasn't selected because of his work, he was selected because he's black, just as Palin was chosen because she's a woman. Considering there are better candidates in the Republican party to fill both of the token seats, it's just a little too easy to see.

 

Odd. I'm a Republican and I recognize Michael Steele's work. There are a lot of powerful conservatives who recognize Michael Steele's accomplishments. Congressman John Boehner as well as Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann. Rebublican Governors Pawlenty and Jindal are a couple of others.

 

Hahaha, I listen to rap. As well I know what I said.

Perhaps instead of getting overly-emotional and assuming I said all rap = mysoginistic, you should read that **** the Police gave rise to the stage rap has now. NWA started gangsta rap, which progressed to materialistic and overly sexual based lyrics that proclaim women as another object to be owned. No where does this say all rap is mysoginistic, it simply pointed out that some rap is.

Myself, I prefer things along the lines of Mos Def, KRS-one, etc. Though I'm also a fan of Wu-Tang Clan, Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony.

 

I did read it and I disagree with your assumption that I became emotional. You made a blanket statement which I countered.

 

I don't believe I ever said it was a bad thing to do, entertainment is just that. But I suppose I do have a problem with all the cheesy like movies such as "Terminators", "The Cyborg Killer", "The Hunter". If you can't do as good or better than the original, don't bother wasting my time and airspace. As well, it wouldn't exactly be kosher for elementary kids to be doing rhymes about a bitch is a bitch or killing a cop, which was my actual point.

 

So again, don't confuse my words because you want to create a controversy. I'm not Jimmy Carter.

 

Again with the assumptions. I am not attempting to create a controversy. I simply disagreed with your statements and cited examples as counter. You mentioned the song, "F*** the Police" by NWA. When that song was released there were a lot of people who protested that song because of it's lyrics. I offered that while people were opposed to a derogatory song that was anti-police, they weren't opposed to a movie in which numerous police were killed.

 

Well said, kind of makes me excited I'll be in Afghanistan in not too long. Something about an Afghani warlord yelling at me seems infinitely more exciting than continuing to listen to all this butt-hurt.

 

As a soldier, you have my prayers and gratitude for your service. As far as the above quoted comment, why would you continue to post if you don't want a discussion? Just a reminder, the point of the discussion was the indoctrination of children using Obama as a figure of praise and why I believe it has no place in school.

[mimartin]

I’ve seen a few indoctrinated and brainwashed comments made in this thread. Do people really have so little faith in our youth or have we forgotten what it means to be young? At least in my case, at that age, the more you tried to convince me of something, the further I went the other way.

 

It seems to me to be a simple school activity and nothing more. The same kind of thing we use to do in school back in the Stone Age. I see nothing offensive about it and I did not see anything offensive about it when we did school activities involving Nixon, Ford, Carter or Reagan. I was not brainwashed and neither will these children. Give the kids some credit.

 

So the Eyes of Texas and I’ve Been Working on The Railroad use the same music and some of the same words, does that mean University of Texas fans all want to be train conductors? How about God Save the Queen and God Bless America, does that mean American’s secretly want a monarch? The similarities in the songs shows a lack on musical aptitude not an attempt to brainwash children into worshiping President Obama.

[Ten-96]

I’ve seen a few indoctrinated and brainwashed comments made in this thread. Do people really have so little faith in our youth or have we forgotten what it means to be young? At least in my case, at that age, the more you tried to convince me of something, the further I went the other way.

 

That may be the case with some, mi; but political views have no place in the public school system. These are the same people who outlawed prayer and Christmas in schools.

 

It seems to me to be a simple school activity and nothing more. The same kind of thing we use to do in school back in the Stone Age. I see nothing offensive about it and I did not see anything offensive about it when we did school activities involving Nixon, Ford, Carter or Reagan. I was not brainwashed and neither will these children. Give the kids some credit.

 

I have to disagree with you here. A simple school activity should be something like the history of or a report on the President - his back story and such. A simple school activity should not involve a song where the person's name is repeated numerous. Nor should it involve singing praise to that person.

 

So the Eyes of Texas and I’ve Been Working on The Railroad use the same music and some of the same words, does that mean University of Texas fans all want to be train conductors? How about God Save the Queen and God Bless America, does that mean American’s secretly want a monarch? The similarities in the songs shows a lack on musical aptitude not an attempt to brainwash children into worshiping President Obama.

 

Those songs aren't used in the same manner as the one in the video, though. God Save the Queen is a UK song to their monarch. God Bless America is a song to inspire pride in our country. The song in the video sings a song about Obama.

[Tommycat]

Ten 96: Regarding your Terminator reference. Keep in mind that the one that did the killing was the BAD GUY. F*** the Police portrayed the police as the bad guy.

 

As to the original story... Not good. The deification of Obama kinda scares me. It's bordering on being a new religion. We start seeing Obama statues going up everywhere, I'm going into hiding.

 

@Bimmerman: Your video does not show hypocricy. Your video was at a private all volunteer religious event. I could hold one of those worshipping an AN/UYK-7 and in theory it is protected speech(I was gonna say doomsday bomb ala Beneath the Planet of the Apes, however the posession of the doomsday bomb, religious symbol or not, is not protected). HOWEVER in a public school using the children for some form of Obama "Pep Rally" is not protected speech. Pushing an agenda in a public school sets a very dangerous precident.

 

Believe me, I'm all for praising the first black(well half anyway) president. But did they sing songs of praise about the first black secretary of State?

 

And mimartin, it's America the Beautiful that you're thinking of. God Bless America was an Irving Berlin song written in the 30's and would not be confused for God save the Queen. Many of our songs from the formative years of the US were taken from old songs.... In fact The Star Spangled Banner music came from an old drinking song(kinda makes ya proud doesn't it?).

[jonathan7]

Ok, I was staying out to referee, however the general British response to quite a few of the threads like this is "seriously"? Do all of you not think you are making a massive unclimable mountain out of a mole hill?

 

The fact is when Bush was in a lot of the left vilified him and printed all sorts of crazy things and made issues out of all sorts of things that weren't really issues. The right is now doing exactly the same thing; since Obama got in. US politics never used to be like this; not too the extent that the left and the right are at each others throats.

 

To be honest us Brits are generally bemused by you guys and politics; a lot of your politicians to be honest make ours seem like people who constantly tell the truth. I was sat on the train the other day, having a conversation with 2 old ladies and a young business man. The two elderly ladies supported the Conservatives and UKIP (what would be your "Republican" or right wing) - the young Business man was Liberal Democrat. And we all had a civilised discussion, where there wasn't name calling or dramatics, misrepresenting the others position or any sensatialism. I think the key this is thus;

 

There seems to be assumptions by a gross proportion of the right or left in America that those in opposition are “nuts” – there seems to the strange belief that the opposition is seeking the “destruction” of the country. Here in the UK regardless of the differences between the parties there is the recognition that despite our differences the different parties do want what’s best for the country; the difference is disagreements over what is best for the country.

 

Despite all the hysteria, Obama isn’t going to break the USA, he isn’t going to destroy your country, whatever else can be said politics is a cycle and the left and right hold each other in check as they go in and out of power. Despite all the accusations Bush didn't bring about the end of the US - nor will Obama.

 

At the topic; seriously I really don’t get what the issue is, its a bunch of kids singing a song; which seems similar to the Bush thing. Here it would just get laughed at as stupid (which it is) and that would be the end of the matter.

[Ten-96]

I understand that is is different where you are, Johnathan7. If it were just the one video, I'm sure the fuss over it would die down eventually. However, it's not just the one video. There are others in which children are taught to sing, "...hear us Obama....deliver us Obama." It's just not the thing that should be happening in public schools. If a parent wants to do that sort of thing at home with their children, it's their right to do so. It is not the school's place nor is it the school's responsibility to do those things.

 

I pray that you are correct when you state that Obama isn't going to break the United States. I've looked into his background. I've researched (online) the people with whom he associated. I've watched statements he made as a State and U.S. Senator. I have come to my own conclusion that Obama doesn't respect nor does he have any regard for the Constitution. He wants to fundamentally change the country. He goes around the world apologizing for America while ignoring all that we have done for other nations. No other President in the history of this Nation has ever done that.

 

There's a lot more I could write here but I am way off topic, again.

[mimartin]

That may be the case with some, mi; but political views have no place in the public school system. These are the same people who outlawed prayer and Christmas in schools. [/Quote] The very same? Please name them for me.

 

I have to disagree with you here. A simple school activity should be something like the history of or a report on the President - his back story and such. A simple school activity should not involve a song where the person's name is repeated numerous. Nor should it involve singing praise to that person.[/Quote] We have a very different definition of the word simple and a equally different opinion of what is considered praising.

 

Those songs aren't used in the same manner as the one in the video, though.

Your right, the Eyes of Texas and even I’ve Working on the Railroad are usually sung better. I’ve seen kids sing “I’m a Little Tea Pot” with great energy and conviction, does that mean we are teaching them to be Tea Pots?

 

It is a song nothing more, people sing songs all the time that they did not write and songs that have no real meaning to them. Some people just love to sing and others make money doing it.

 

If it were just the one video, I'm sure the fuss over it would die down eventually. However, it's not just the one video. There are others in which children are taught to sing, "...hear us Obama....deliver us Obama."

Yes, it is a huge conspiracy. White unimaginative teachers trying to come up with a lesson plan for Black History Month and African Americans and other minority group teachers thrilled to see American’s first minority President. Now when teachers tell children they can be anything even President of the United States, it can be true for all students and not just the 32.8% of white males.

[Bimmerman]

Ok, I was staying out to referee, however the general British response to quite a few of the threads like this is "seriously"? Do all of you not think you are making a massive unclimable mountain out of a mole hill?

 

The fact is when Bush was in a lot of the left vilified him and printed all sorts of crazy things and made issues out of all sorts of things that weren't really issues. The right is now doing exactly the same thing; since Obama got in. US politics never used to be like this; not too the extent that the left and the right are at each others throats.

 

To be honest us Brits are generally bemused by you guys and politics; a lot of your politicians to be honest make ours seem like people who constantly tell the truth. I was sat on the train the other day, having a conversation with 2 old ladies and a young business man. The two elderly ladies supported the Conservatives and UKIP (what would be your "Republican" or right wing) - the young Business man was Liberal Democrat. And we all had a civilised discussion, where there wasn't name calling or dramatics, misrepresenting the others position or any sensatialism. I think the key this is thus;

 

There seems to be assumptions by a gross proportion of the right or left in America that those in opposition are “nuts” – there seems to the strange belief that the opposition is seeking the “destruction” of the country. Here in the UK regardless of the differences between the parties there is the recognition that despite our differences the different parties do want what’s best for the country; the difference is disagreements over what is best for the country.

 

Despite all the hysteria, Obama isn’t going to break the USA, he isn’t going to destroy your country, whatever else can be said politics is a cycle and the left and right hold each other in check as they go in and out of power. Despite all the accusations Bush didn't bring about the end of the US - nor will Obama.

 

At the topic; seriously I really don’t get what the issue is, its a bunch of kids singing a song; which seems similar to the Bush thing. Here it would just get laughed at as stupid (which it is) and that would be the end of the matter.

 

As an Ex-Pat American living in Munich, I couldn't agree more.

 

This is the "hypocrisy" I was talking about earlier-- When Bush was in power, the left made ridiculous statements, made mountains out of molehills, and cried foul when religious children were indoctrinated into worshipping him.

 

Now that Obama's in power, what exactly has changed? Nothing; the sides merely swapped. Now the right vilifies the left with slander (like the left did to the right circa two years ago), blowing tiny issues (like this one) waaaaaaay out of proportion, and is crying foul when a liberal teacher post a video about a song her class sung for black history month.

 

This is so unimportant it beggars belief as to why people care so much. It really is mind-bottling how this is somehow new, different, and poses a great threat to American life. This is no different from what the right was doing three years ago, the sides have simply switched.

 

@Ten-96-- where exactly is this more than one video or the systematic liberal conspiracy you think it to be? All indications point to it not being anything more than what has already been discussed to death. The "hear us Obama, Deliver us Obama" bit that you are objecting so vehemently to is...well..different how? from the Jesus camp shenaniganry (not just the clip I posted, but the whole political movement shown in the movie)? It's not, just you're worried since it's about a Democrat i.e. Obama.

 

There are seriously much more important issues to spend your time and mental anguish on, not what children do or do not sing or what religious overtones it may or may not have.

 

I pray that you are correct when you state that Obama isn't going to break the United States. I've looked into his background. I've researched (online) the people with whom he associated. I've watched statements he made as a State and U.S. Senator. I have come to my own conclusion that Obama doesn't respect nor does he have any regard for the Constitution. He wants to fundamentally change the country. He goes around the world apologizing for America while ignoring all that we have done for other nations. No other President in the history of this Nation has ever done that.

 

Well, that's your right. I disagree with your thoughts on Obama, pretty much entirely.

 

You really think that we don't have anything to apologize for? Our nation isn't flawless, nor do we have an astoundingly amazing track record...we're very much a nation of hypocrites, liars, and villians like most other countries. We simply have the benefit of being a very young country that tends to do more right than wrong rather than any abject moral superiority. Having a strong military and economy does much more for international recognition, respect, and prestige than anything else. You I am sure disagree, and that's fine, I don't especially care.

[Jae Onasi]

Well, all it looks like to me is that they need to change the lyrics a bit to eliminate the content that looks like religion since this is a public school, but otherwise singing a song about Obama isn't a big deal. In fact, singing and music are a big part of the richness of black culture, so it's hardly a surprise that people have made songs about Obama.