andygeers Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Hi guys, I've been meaning to put this together for a while now, but I've just posted a video I've made based around The Revelation article by Jorrin Quest, exploring what The Secret of Monkey Island might actually have been if Ron ever got to make a third game: (This BBCode requires its accompanying plugin to work properly.) I owe the basic premise to that article, but I've tried to add a few little insights of my own as well. Hope you enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Excellent work... you do a very good job of explaining everything, and it's well illustrated to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygeers Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Excellent work... you do a very good job of explaining everything, and it's well illustrated to boot. Thanks! I had a lot of fun making it, and of course had to play through the first three games again to get all the footage What a joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robearth Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 aahhh, watching this was like smoking a good ol' pipe with sherlock holmes, and then realizing that you have a grapefruit in the fridge. This theory works well for me, I don't think I'd mind that much if that had turned out to be the case actually There is that problem with elaine saying "I hope le chuck hasn't put a SPELL on him" and le chucks eyes glowing red, but then again there was a third game to be had. Nice job :> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk-F Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Really nice work! It's been a pleasure watching the video. That's the best explanation we can get so far, with what we have. However, I can't but feel that there's more than that. It has to! :-) I mean, that's a nice explanation for the 2 first games, and clever people could reach to that conclusion without a third game, so... why would Ron need a third game, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 The real secret is that Ron had no plans for a third game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I dunno, I'm not quite buying it. There are still some holes in the theory. To me if feels more like one big joke to mess with the player's heads. To distract people from the real secret of Monkey Island, perhaps it's under our very noses. Otherwize, very nice vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I know what you mean. Sometimes it feels like that theory is exactly what you're supposed to think. It makes you fall into the same trap Guybrush has fallen into, and distracts you from the truth. Whatever it is.... ¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 But then, is there anything else that could be secret that we'd really give a **** about? As far as secrets go it's probably one of the cooler things out there. I mean, would you prefer the real secret was that the island could turn into a flying fortress or something? ; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 That's my point though - it's really not a cool secret. It's pedestrian, and takes much of the ambiguity away. I'd like playing those games a lot less if I thought it was all some kind of hallucinatory stroll through Disneyland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabez Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 And the most pedestrian thing of all is the truth. No matter how interesting the real secret might be, a mysterious secret is always more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward van Helgen Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I agree, it is the secret itself that makes this game so great. If in a newer game the secret would be revealed to be a... ehm I don't know.... a Giant Monkey Robot for example, the secret wouldn't be so much fun as it was when you didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascovel Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 You people have no heart. I almost killed myself after finishing Monkey Island 2 and yet again you try to convince me this long falsified theory is true. The Giant Monkey Robot was much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 The Giant Monkey Robot was... just... just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Nice video... but it's just wrong. "Designed as a trilogy"? No it wasn't. Ron may have had some ideas for a third game, but he certainly didn't have them when he was writing the first one. As I've previously written about this "theory": Guybrush says "This isn't Monkey 1" and "What's this doing in a pirate game?" and a ton of other fourth-wall busting stuff. It seems absurd to me that we're supposed to take the countless comedy anachronisms as some clever "hint" that it's all a child's fantasy... but then totally ignore the "I'm in a computer game" type stuff. Sorry guys, they just did stuff for laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 You say that very authoritatively, but let's face it: we don't know. Until the original three designers go ahead and actually clarify this we can argue the finer details on both sides of this point for an eternity. What one side sees as blatant fourth wall breakage, the other sees as definitive proof of the theory. What one side sees as something put in as a get-out clause, the other sees as definitive proof against the theory. Maybe the secret is they wanted to spark endless fanboy arguing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward van Helgen Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Maybe the secret is they wanted to spark endless fanboy arguing? They certainly did a hell of a great job on that point since we were still talking about The Secret nine years after the last game had been released. And what was so good about the secret that made us talk about the game for so long? It was the fact that absolutely nothing had been reveiled about the secret. It was the way they presented it that made it so great. The only fact that we do know is that there is actually a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Graffiti Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 The only fact that we do know is that there is actually a secret. Maybe there isn't a secret, and The Secret of Monkey Island is just a better title than Guybrush Traipses Around on Monkey Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascovel Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 They certainly did a hell of a great job on that point since we were still talking about The Secret nine years after the last game had been released. And what was so good about the secret that made us talk about the game for so long? It was the fact that absolutely nothing had been reveiled about the secret. It was the way they presented it that made it so great. The only fact that we do know is that there is actually a secret. Don't think so. The main reason we are still talking about The Secret today is that these games are so great regardless of The Secret. Also, as Giygas says, because someone decided it would be cool to give the first game the title The Secret of Monkey Island instead of, for example, The Treasure of Monkey Island, or The Pirates of Monkey Island, or Tales of Monkey Island, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aububuh Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Maybe the secret is that every time the secret is revealed, there's always another secret right behind it. For instance, in SMI the secret is that there's a giant cavern under the monkey head. In MI2, there's a series of tunnels under all the islands. In EMI, it's the robot and so on. I think that this is because every time the developers try to expose the secret, the fans aren't happy with it and so it's no longer the actual secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Maybe there isn't a secret' date=' and [i']The Secret of Monkey Island[/i] is just a better title than Guybrush Traipses Around on Monkey Island. That would be my guess, but I guess "The Secret" has actually morphed into... "Would you please explain MI2's ending!?" AFAIC Guybrush's world just got totally messed up the closer he got to the weird ass power of Big Whoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward van Helgen Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Don't think so. The main reason we are still talking about The Secret today is that these games are so great regardless of The Secret. You misunderstood, with "The Secret" I was referring to the secret itself, not to the game I don't like the game so much because of the unreveiled secret, but because of the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPeel2001 Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Didn't LucasArts announce that they were finally going to reveal the secret in Feb (ie. this month)? Or at least promise something massively exciting for MI fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyntheticGerbil Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 I hope they announce nothing at all. That's my wish. And I'm with Giygas, I'm guessing Ron Gilbert didn't have much in mind when designing the first one. What secret? Nothing secretive outside the voodoo lady is even really referred to much until the second game. Always seemed like just a name to me. Guybrush Traipses Around on Monkey Island would have been a cool title as well though. Sounds similar to Leisure Suit Larry Goes Looking for Love (In all the Wrong Places) though, which was released around the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Graffiti Posted February 4, 2010 Share Posted February 4, 2010 Didn't LucasArts announce that they were finally going to reveal the secret in Feb (ie. this month)? Or at least promise something massively exciting for MI fans? You mean this? I don't remember that ACG article mentioning anything about February, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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