JK2 Superclan

[Boba Jim]

Ewwww. I detect that one of my servos struck a nerve.

[WD_ToRMeNt]

Well Letalis, you do have insight.

 

Gonk, you only show how little you know. How come you have never been in any clan yet you claim to know so much?

 

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: -WD- ToRMeNt ]

[TornSoul]

Games (yes, Jedi Knight IS just a game) are meant as entertainment. My experience is that "elite" clans take the game to seriously. I'd rather be in a clan where you don't have to worry about beating everybody, but just having clean fun with friends (killing and pissing off newbies isn't clean fun, killing them and then teaching them a few ways they could get better is). I would never join a clan if I had to be "a good enough player" for them.

[WD_ToRMeNt]

Personaly, I do everything I can to teach newbies. I do get annoyed when the call me a hacker though.

 

Now Saryl, you basicaly restated what I have said in the past. Mixing casual and hardcore gamers is really not a good idea. Because of the popularity SWs, you have a far more causual (movie fan) players the you are likely to find in a game like quake.

 

That is why there is such a huge gap in skill and knowleadge. It is also why there is an "elite" community seperate from the general JK population.

 

Now wouldn't it be nice if all the hardcore kept to fighting other hardcores and left you move fans alone? This superclan is based in part on that idea.

[KillerBee]

1 Super clan would suck for a game, competition leads to improvement in the level of play, it happens at an individual level, but the clan gives players added incentive to improve. I doubt the top players would be as good as they are now, if there hadnt been clan rivalry to help the improvement of players

 

Also people who play quake and other games at a similar level to the top jkers play jk will also be in the comunity, and many of them might be keen to stay in their own clans.

 

(and ff guns is the only way to play jk!!!)

[PreTZeL]

hey torment, ease up man, i know you have your beliefs, and your jk2 superclan would be elite, but dont get mad at these guys ok? i try to be nice to everyone on the zone unless they piss me off, then i go off on em, but dont be so mean, not here, this is a friendly place...

and in case you are wondering, no im not a newbie, and no im not against you...WD and DSbr are elite (so is SLDR)

there, dont get mad now...

[Guest Vagabond]

It makes me laugh when someone calls themself elite. Maybe they are or maybe they're not. The point is that doing so is the epitome of what the best players are not.

 

Let's look at Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montanna, or perhaps Derek Jeter. They are, arguably, among the best to play in their respective games, yet they are also the most humble and well-liked. Yes, they are good, and yes they know it. However, rather than boastfully singing praises about their own accomplishments, they instead practice humility, crediting the effort of the entire team.

 

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.

 

But hey, I recognize that we all have a part to play in this wacky play called life, and someone has to play the part of the braggart that nobody likes. They just shouldn't expect to be called elite by anyone but themselves

 

Carry on

[PreTZeL]

question:

do you like

a) shakespeare

b) elvis presley

c) plays in general

or d) all of the above...

 

hehe, this is not an insult, just a question

[Letalis]

Torment, don't puff out your chest to quickly, I'm not looking for, nor do I need your approval. Just because my posts have been in support of your ideas does not mean I don't think you're arrogant, you are, and that's what people are getting annoyed at!

 

My experience is that "elite" clans take the game to seriously.

I can see what you're getting at, but you said it yourself, Seryl, it's just a game, and 'elite' clans are simply another way to go about playing it. They're having fun, that's just what the game designers wanted (besides money) so how can that be taking it too seriously?

 

Now wouldn't it be nice if all the hardcore kept to fighting other hardcores and left you move fans alone?

No, it wouldn't, how would one be able to enter the 'elite' if they couldn't play against them? The community needs to mix it up, that's why it is a community. Sure, there needs to opportunities in which those 'elites' can challenge each other, but they can't be completely isolated from the rest of the community!

 

but dont get mad at these guys ok?

He's not, he's simply passionately expressing his point of view. If he starts abusing people, then tell him off!

 

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.

 

Mmm, well said, basic translation: Torment, don't be so up yourself, then you'll have more respect and possibly some success in your ideas.

 

*Deep breath*

That really takes it out of you...

 

[ July 11, 2001: Message edited by: Letalis ]

[GEJoeSolo]

hmmmm I spoke to WD-torment on the zone and he didn;t see like an ass there. however just try posting on the WD board and you will find that it's the same as it is here. must be something about message boards that get's these guys worked up.

[Letalis]

Sorry, don't get me wrong, I don't think he's an arse. He's simply very confident about his ability to play JK. Some may even say over-confident...

[ReAcToR]

There are so many "elite" NFers but they just have bad connectionss that lag and drop packets. That isn't gonna work in JK2.

 

There are skilled players in all categories of Jedi Knight. There are plenty of people who have conquered Cases Ladder in the past, that had very good connections and didn't drop packets.

 

Well there are certain people who will be the ones who discover all the tricks, tactics, what works and what doesn't for JK2 (MaReZ, Shinji, Luke18...). Most likely, these people will be the same ones who did it in JK.

 

And the entire time that those above were discovering tricks/tactics, there were dozens of other players that were doing the same thing.

 

Then there are those (that's you, me, and the people this post was meant for) who don't care what's in the movie, they want to WIN and be the best.

 

And then there are those of us who are all of the above. Some of us enjoy being immersed in the Star Wars universe, but at the same time, we enjoy practicing for hundreds upon hundreds of hours to become the best that we can be.

 

We could really push the limits faster, train each other, DOMINTATE JK2 hehe.

 

There are dozens of other good clans that are thinking the same thing. Some of which no longer play JK, but used to be top clans. Just because your clan may have an edge in some areas of JK, doesn't mean that you will in JK2.

 

this whole "elite" thing really is getting ridiculous.. why would you stick around to PLAY a game that's (nearly) 4 years old? I can understand editing it, because I do it myself.. but playing straight JK? blech.

 

There are tons of reasons that people continue to play JK/MotS instead of other games. Some play because their connections don't allow them to play anything else effectively. Some play because nothing else can immerse them in the Star Wars universe like these games can. Some people like myself play, because we still consider JK/MotS to be the best game around, even after all of these years.

 

hehe I still think tho that older clans like DH and IRN are going to come right up behind and knock you guys on your asses..

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

The only purpose for a clan is, like already mentioned, to know something about who you're playing with so you can team up instead of playing on your own with real skills.

 

I take it you're not familiar with tournaments, ladders or clanwars?

 

A real elite Jedi Knight player walks alone.

 

Actually, if you would look at gaming from a realistic standpoint, without being biased, you would come to the conclusion that there are elite players in clans and out. Making generalizations such as the ones you have made usually show that you are biased towards the subject. Remember that clan members can play both in clan matches and lone matches.

 

Also people who play quake and other games at a similar level to the top jkers play jk will also be in the comunity, and many of them might be keen to stay in their own clans.

 

Exactly. There will be players from all walks of life coming to JK2. Just because you play JK doesn't mean that you will be better than someone who was an elite EF or Q3 player. You could actually argue that they have an edge with the netcode, being that it will definitely be more similar to EF/Q3 than it will be to JK.

 

Let's look at Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montanna, or perhaps Derek Jeter. They are, arguably, among the best to play in their respective games, yet they are also the most humble and well-liked. Yes, they are good, and yes they know it. However, rather than boastfully singing praises about their own accomplishments, they instead practice humility, crediting the effort of the entire team.

 

The true so-called elites are leaders both on and off the field. Some people would do well to follow their example.

 

Well stated. That is basically the way that I myself have always felt about the subject. There is nothing wrong with being confident, but boasting just shows weakness in my opinion. It's sad that the majority of skilled players in most games are jerks. That was my main reason for not joining any of the top clans and continuing to this day to avoid playing with people who act like jerks. Sure, they are usually somewhat nice to those who are in their clans, but it's how they treat EVERYONE that really matters.

 

however just try posting on the WD board and you will find that it's the same as it is here.

 

Poor guy sounds like he's speaking from experience. WD and DSbr are as famous for their hardcore attitudes/flaming as they are for being skilled players.

 

I'm not sure of why this post wasn't posted on the Clan Forum, but that's not my concern.

 

I think that the major point here is that there are plenty of other people who are planning the same type of deal. I know that my clan plans on getting an early start on JK2 CTF(if it is included) and we will definitely be figuring things out as fast as any other clan.

 

This is similar to what we saw with the release of Q3. Not all of the top Q2 clans became top Q3 clans. There are players that will be coming from everywhere, and to assume that just because you were one of the top JK clans, that you will be a top JK2 clan, is very premature.

[Guest Jeff Walters]

Moving this to the clan recruiting board.

[Letalis]

Nicely done Reactor, nicely done...

[KillerBee]

"It makes me laugh when someone calls themself elite. Maybe they are or maybe they're not. The point is that doing so is the epitome of what the best players are not."

 

You seem to be mudling elite with great

Elite players have huge egos as well as a lot of skill.. Great players are those who remain near egoless, like WD_Death was.. although most elites are great in a 1 on 1 conversation, they usually act badly on message boards and large real time chat environments (eg main on the zone). Dunno why. people like jza, narz some of the biggest "chat rapests" are very nice on zf.. wierd..

 

Anyway.. a Super clan would harm the elite comunities skill levels above the rest, so maybe its a good thing

 

anyway I plan to stay clanless (well unless a good team based mod appears..

 

"this whole "elite" thing really is getting ridiculous.. why would you stick around to PLAY a game that's (nearly) 4 years old? I can understand editing it, because I do it myself.. but playing straight JK? blech."

 

simple the game has several aspects that no other game has yet rivalled..

Camping is next to impossible, you spawn with the best weapon in the game(the force) although not much ammo. The game truely embraces 3dimensional play, Quake etc only allows planar movement really, or going down, you are restricted to ramps and lifts for up and down movement (save the odd RJ.. which hurts). jk has great 3d movement, which levels like oasis actually emphersise (the reason its the most popular level)

jks also more about control then other fps, which are mainly about aim.. which makes it more precise.. luck doesn't feature into it so much, meaning its all about skill.

(well ff that is, playing NF sabs is stick swinging other games do it better, NF guns has always been pointless, FF bgj I find dull personally.. but thats me..)

[OrIoN]

*sigh* cant we all just get along? besides...You all hold my pockets...

[DeathBoLT]

simple the game has several aspects that no other game has yet rivalled..

Camping is next to impossible, you spawn with the best weapon in the game(the force) although not much ammo. The game truely embraces 3dimensional play, Quake etc only allows planar movement really, or going down, you are restricted to ramps and lifts for up and down movement (save the odd RJ.. which hurts). jk has great 3d movement, which levels like oasis actually emphersise (the reason its the most popular level)

jks also more about control then other fps, which are mainly about aim.. which makes it more precise.. luck doesn't feature into it so much, meaning its all about skill.

im saving that in a text file.. it pretty much sums up what JK has over other games for me

[Luck]

NF guns and sabers are equally complex, but they require a similar investment of time in order to learn and understand.

 

Since i doubt you'll ever take the time to learn nf sabs or ji to the extent you've obviously learned ff, just take my word for it, because otherwise ill have to preach on and on about ji and bgj like you just did about oasis =P

 

Lucky

[KillerBee]

from what ive played of nf oasis, its alot to do with control, but it also restricts you to roots like a conventional fps.. rules like leave packs, sabs = peace mean weapon control rarely comes into it.. making it similar in many ways to q3 which is also mainly about health armour control. mines are the only extra dimension to a more conventional fps.. The splash to player velocity is a lot more generous to the shooter then q3 more comparable to q1.. although jks lag is worse. in ff the conks splash to velocity is in the favour of the person being attacked..

NF guns imho is far more like a conventional fps, and has been surpased by q3 and the likes, where as ff hasnt..

NF sabs Isn't too bad, I personally prefer it to ff sabres, although imho it isnt proper sword play, which is what sabring should be about. I am sure just as any game can be with enough attention people will work out how to get advantages in it.. but imo it feels wrong, FF is soo much fun for me I can ignore the fact it doesnt feel star warsy .

[DeathBoLT]

Ji O rules generated a weaker sort of gunners I think.. Oasis NF take packs is the way to go..

[MadPoster]

A superclan?

 

I laugh at your feebleness.

 

I have slaughtered thousands of clanners on the zone and elsewhere on the net.

 

Odds are I have your head on a trophy board somewhere, -WD- ToRMeNt, so take it to another board.

 

Most clans are for wusses.

 

IMO, of course.

[acdcfanbill]

just because a person is in a clan, doesnt mean they are unbeatable. what would give you that idea? there are great players in clans, and there great rogues, unfortunately for me, i am neither...

[KillerBee]

I believe the idea is clans improve players by having experianced members train new players.. eg WD take decent players and polish them.. and the DSbr nicks the players of WD

The thing is when a game starts out their are no experianced players, so the idea then is that one player finds something the whole clan is told.. but if everyones in one clan then the need to find new tricks is deminished so the rate of improvement is decreased accordingly.. lots of small clans is good for growth. Clans or just groups of friends who help each other.. I was never in a real clan.. I found I liked people from a lot of different clans, who seemed to start insulting people just cause they joined one clan, so I liked to stay neutral and had to polish my self

 

and IMHO oasis is the problem with nf guns.. levels like hoodwink are far more fun, or cargo soldiers for mots..

 

[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: KillerBee ]

[TheJackal_jk2]

I am far from elite. I know it too, I play games for fun, as entertainemnt as mentioned above. I never played in a clan because I am not interrested. The reason that I am not interrested is that ... I'M NOT INTERRESTED!

 

I wont spend hours trying to better myself or practice certain moves because I know this will bring nothing. Sure, you can brag about it with your friends or people you don't know. But don't we all hate them? I mean, everybody is hipocritical (I hope i got the right english terme). We want to be like then and brag, yet we hate them.

 

I pretty much stopped playing C-S because all the good servers are flooded with people who talk like a hyperactif trout that has 3 fingers and an attention disorder (aka, those who want to be "1337". I also cannot stand hackers (no it's not poiting at good players and saying they hack, it's obvious. Go <a herf="http://www.jediknightii.net/_jackal/">here</a> to see screenshots of cheaters I made)

 

I've met a few clans that are out there just to have fun. In counter-strike the only clan I encountered without any gloating or etc would be the [COP] clan. But that's IT.

 

Anyways, this is my 2 cents I did in 5 minutes. So if you don't understand or whatever or don't approve...

 

[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: TheJackal ]

[Chewie_Rips]

Super clan??? LMAO....hmmmm, trying to restrain from some serious bashing, as I have never been one to prey on the weak or narrow minded...but hey, this is one of those "cant just say nothing" moments.

 

"If you dont have the link, ask a WD for it on the zone. Unless we know you and you have a rep among the elites, Ill delete your post"

 

This statement pretty much somes it up, in terms of unparralled egotistic behavior...Unless we know you??? If you have a rep among the elites?? If you haven't heard of someone, that means they are not "Worthy" or welcome....god help you....you should be carefull of the way you portray yourself, as you never know who your talking to....

 

"There is a topic on the WD board that you (good players only) should read."

 

How hypocritical is that???

 

"We're talking about WD and DSbr merging into one unstoppable JK clan so we can dominate JK2 as well. WD_NiGhTMaReZ is really pushing for it, along with several others. Many of the oldschool WDs and DSbrs are returning for JK2"

 

you mean dominate ff gunz/sabers right...so, since you only about 30-40%( probably 15% gunners) of JK players online play this "frequently", seems to me you are the minority???

 

"HAHAHA NF Sabers HAHAHAHA. NEWS FLASH: NF sabers will be nothing like it was in JK. The lag that helped you in JK will kill you in Q3. There are so many "elite" NFers but they just have bad connectionss that lag and drop packets. That isn't gonna work in JK2."

 

NEWS FLASH ToRment...you must be a "HARDCORE"( that hardcore statement makes me want to puke) gunner, since you haven't played enough to get good at sabers?? Lag...since when is lag only in nf saber games??? I guess your connection knows weither or not you are playing ff guns or nf sabers....some new technolgy that only "elites"( which consist of ToRment and a few of his buddies that can't get chicks) now about.....lol....

 

"As far as NF sabs, we don't care."

 

Wonder why??? could it be because it takes more time to get good at NF sabers, since allot more people play this than anything else?? Maybe you got good or Elite...lol...at ff guns, ff sabers, cause it was easier for you with allot less competition. Plus, most people wouldn't take the time to get good at guns in jk, when they can play CT or UT?? I'd have to say that 70% of the players like to play JK cause its the only place to have saber duels..cause they are Star Wars fans...yes the friggin movies....we are all fans of the movies and some of like the books...are you not a fan...how did you hear about SW??? Maybe you chose to get good at guns in JK cause there was too much competition in other games like UT and CT???

 

"With the Q3 engine in JK2, we'll prolly have a powerfull NF sabs branch as well"

 

I doubt it....too many causal gamers, or "movie fans" in there....awww poor baby, to much competition...lol

 

You alwasy say its about winning right??? well since lag effects both players, why would this help you win...and if lag helps you win, then you should be all for it right???

 

Like i have said numerous times...play what you like as its just a game....as far as Most of the players wanted to play sabers, ff or nf...this alone makes it impossible to dominate jk, or jko. You prefernces are your own, and that is cool, but the reality is the true "Elite" player in this conversation.... Final Score: ToRment -10 Reality 100...( sorry for posting the scores ToRment, but I need a reference point...and yes those are negatives bye ToRments name).....lol.....I truly have sunk to his level...god forgive me..