Eldritch Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by Toonces You guys guilted us into it http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/mace12.jpg It's not lack of critisim that caused us not to do it at first, keo was very vocal about a few of the areas that wern't quite "cannon" I decided to see how much of a pain it would be to do and decided "what the hell?" It required a reconstruction of the front part of it and some adjustments in his uv's but it wasn't quite as much of a pain to do as I thought it would be Woohoo! That looks much better already. So happy you reconsidered. The intent (well, my intent - can't speak for anyone else) wasn't to guilt you guys into it. Was just bringing the little details to your attention. Can't wait to see more! Originally posted by shaolin_blade All I'm saying is, don't bash people because they don't want to wait a year for a perfect model. There is a fine line between good detail and over-doing. I don't see how I was bashing anyone, but it's possible you're not refering to me. So often people are quick to bitch at those like Keo and myself for nitpicking and criticising these models - when in fact, like Keo said, it's people like us that help the artists shape these models into a final product you all drool over. Toonces and other modelers are well aware of our habits, and unless i'm mistaken (correct me if i'm wrong here Toonces), they often want to hear our opinion(s). We've all got our job to do, so why do you want us to stop doing ours? Let me just say that I don't expect perfection. I don't think it's possible. However, I will continue to push (with constructive criticism) for perfection because it's what makes models great. Sorry for the length of my post everyone, I think that just needed to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jolts Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 when I make a model or draw something I already know whats good, I want to know what sucks and could be made to look better. At the same time people also need to hear that its looking good if it really is. It just sucks when all someone has to say is "looks good, keep up the work" at least try to make one comment on why it looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalnGipanji Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by keo718 copy and paste. You really can't put .txt instead of .jpg?? Nice diagram though... it would be nice to just be able to click and see it. Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S The intent (well, my intent - can't speak for anyone else) wasn't to guilt you guys into it. You sure about that? I mean, if you were content with how it was, you would've accepted the fact that they didn't feel it necessary to redo it before Toonces' update. Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S it's people like us that help the artists shape these models into a final product you all drool over. I hope you believe that. They are the artists, they are the ones who make the products desirable. I agree that sometimes we all offer great ideas on how to improve the work, but they're the ones who actually do it. Like I said before, the model was fine the way it was... because Toonces was nice enough to humor you doesn't mean that it came out just as you planned. He did the work, and it looks great. But I'd back off a bit with being so eager to accept credit for it. Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S Let me just say that I don't expect perfection. I don't think it's possible. However, I will continue to push (with constructive criticism) for perfection because it's what makes models great. Sorry for the length of my post everyone, I think that just needed to be said. I think what everyone should take out of that (myself included) is constructive criticism. I don't believe that any of us could claim to be 100% constructive, but we should all try. In the same light, it should be understood that one suggestion is just as good as the next, and the artists involved will decide what is good enough and what could be different. I feel the whole thing with the clothing was too "nitpicky", but this new result looks just as great as the previous. I'm really not going to damn the man for slightly malformed clothing, especially when you're really not going to notice or care in-game. But, now we're much closer to Keo and Anakin's perfect Mace, so let's rejoice! Great work Toonces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thMonkey Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 wow that has really developed into a great likeness. Great Job. However the ears still look a bit to pointy but apart from that it looks very accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 like Keo said, it's people like us that help the artists shape these models into a final product you all drool over. A bit of a misquote. I hope I didn't come off as if I'm trying to take any credit. This was my original quote.... Alot of people get upset when critiques are made, yet fail to realize that it is these same critiques that help refine the model into that which they wet themselves over. My point was and is that people take certain criticisms as nitpicking and see them as unnecessary. Yet it is that very same nitpicking that helps to REFINE the model. I take no credit for the work that Toonces and Arco did. All I did was offer my critiques that I hope were helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arco Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/mace-newtorso.jpg all done guys! YAY! I am working on the CTF varients and he should be out the door within the week! YAY! Arco:deathii: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpYzEr Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 WOW! That looks great Arco! Can't wait for the release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Perfect no more tweaking. Release it now. I need it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by keo718 A bit of a misquote. I hope I didn't come off as if I'm trying to take any credit. My point was and is that people take certain criticisms as nitpicking and see them as unnecessary. Yet it is that very same nitpicking that helps to REFINE the model. I take no credit for the work that Toonces and Arco did. All I did was offer my critiques that I hope were helpful. My apologies for the misquote, Keo. I didn't mean to imply that we deserve credit for the models either... was just trying to support your original point and didn't get the wording quite right. Arco, the skin looks fantastic. Although I think the fabric could look a tad more rough (as the weave of Mace's clothes seems to have large threads) I think it still looks great. I especially like the colors - you really nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arco Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 preview of the red skin. Which is now finished... next up is ghost mace and then it is finished. http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/icon_red.jpg Arco:deathii: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by Arco preview of the red skin. Which is now finished... next up is ghost mace and then it is finished. http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/icon_red.jpg Arco:deathii: That's definitely... interesting, Arco. Looks scary. What does the blue one look like? Or will ghost Mace be the blue skin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Absolutely incredible! I really appreciate all the hardwork and time you have put into this model. Your efforts are not in vein, many people will get a lot of enjoyment out of this. Can't wait to get my hands on it! Thanks again for doing this project (and your others as well)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Jedi Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 This project was so quick and ended up so wonderfull!!! I can't wait i sh** my self when i noticed it will be released so sooon :D happy now all i need after this is qui and dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 27, 2002 Author Share Posted October 27, 2002 Wow, I really love the Sith variants you do Arco, Mace looks pure evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NinjaGaiden_ Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 omfg i cant beleive it the robes look perfect now great job guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 great job!!! the model is flawless from what I can see now. can't wait for release! are the sounds, lods, and botfiles done already? oh, and by the way, will you be able to toggle the robe on the team skins too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kururin Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by Arco preview of the red skin. Which is now finished... next up is ghost mace and then it is finished. http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/icon_red.jpg Arco:deathii: For some reason this skin reminds me of Venom from the Spiderman cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Nice work guys. Do you have shots of the back and profile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaolin_blade Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 For some reason this skin reminds me of Venom from the Spiderman cartoon. Looks more like Gene Simmons to me. Cracks me up that you guys spend so much time arguing over the canonicity of the robe, and then you do something like this to Mace for a Red CTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMarz1 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by Arco preview of the red skin. Which is now finished... next up is ghost mace and then it is finished. http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/cottages/genq3/icon_red.jpg Arco:deathii: Just wanted to let you know Arco, That your skins are inspiring me to work harder on the "Obi Project"! I'm learning some things from your work (Of course I am good, Ego... Ego...) well stuff looks great, textures are awesome. Mars out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enjoi9187 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 ahh marz, always great to see that modesty is your #1 virture..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKPiggott Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Holy crap, this all looks awesome. The timing couldn't have been better because I've just started making cutscenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by shaolin_blade Looks more like Gene Simmons to me. Cracks me up that you guys spend so much time arguing over the canonicity of the robe, and then you do something like this to Mace for a Red CTF. I personally think the "Venom" like face is a bit much, but I can't really argue why it should be something else. The only thing that should be canon is the regular default skin - I say go for broke on the variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inbredyokel Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 You know...as long as you've got the body, texture, and the robe, it wouldn't be too difficult to modify this model to make a Coleman Trebor or Sasaee Tiin(difficult being a relative term of course). That certainly would beat doing another episode 1 obi or ep II anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker15 Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Very nice work guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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