Break_dF Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove can't wait How are you not banned yet? You're the biggest ******* I've seen on these forums...you're even worse than Fallenone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Break, take it to the pms. [Edit response to below: Don't make me repeat myself.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by AB_Legion Break, take it to the pms. Break? I try to contribute to the conversation while having to put up w/ Black's smartass comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 what did I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Break_dF Break? I was reffering to you, yes. I try to contribute to the conversation while having to put up w/ Black's smartass comments... I havn't seen you contribute anything on this page other than complaints towards BlackDove's posts and an "I agree" post, which as most people know, I don't heartily enjoy seeing around here. If you have a problem, use the Personal Messaging System in your User CP easily located at the top left of every forum page. Originally posted by BlackDove what did I do? Don't push anything. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by AB_Legion I was reffering to you, yes. I havn't seen you contribute anything on this page other than complaints towards BlackDove's posts and an "I agree" post, which as most people know, I don't heartily enjoy seeing around here. If you have a problem, use the Personal Messaging System in your User CP easily located at the top left of every forum page. Don't push it. :| Uhh..yeah try reading the whole thread first. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 [edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ET Warrior Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er What I've wondered is, if Jesus died for our sins, meaning that we can be forgiven for them, does that mean that everyone who sinned before Jesus died was sent to hell, no questions asked? They couldn't be forgiven? Because, if you say no to that, and say that they could be forgiven, then jesus' death was for no reason at all, as nothing would have changed from then til now. Or are we forgiven of a greater amount of sins now that he's dead? I'm really not clear on how this whole 'died for our sins' thing worked. Someone wanna straighten me out? The way that i've always believed it, is that before jesus, any man who did not follow God was sent to hell when they died, but after he died, it gives us purgatory as someone mentioned. And i believe that every person when they die is given a chance to stand before God and get judged on how they lived their lives. And if they lived a good life, and were kind people, then God will allow them to live with him in his house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior And if they lived a good life, and were kind people, then God will allow them to live with him in his house. So it doesn't matter at all whether they believed in him during their lives? Anyway, it's a pretty rubbish deal. I could make up a better religion on the spot, which ensured anyone would go to heaven. PS: What about my take on the Genesis? Do you find it appealing? And the part about interpreting the Bible yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well, if you believe in God your entire life you don't have to goto purgatory. and there are a LOT of souls that go to purgatory, because a lot of people don't believe in God, and so you could get stuck there a long time....which makes believing in God much better IMO. But i do agree about interpreting genesis for yourself...and deciding what it really means to you. If you want to believe he made the earth and everything on it in 7 days, then you can. I personally think that since God is immortal, a day to him could be 250 million years to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Cool it down a bit here people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Yeah guys... blackdove, lose the nasty humor. It's funny to begin with, but it can get old... Break, dont let yourself get riled up so easily... I hate the idea that anyone would take old or new testament as literal historical fact.... but I know people do it, and thats pretty durn sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted January 4, 2003 Author Share Posted January 4, 2003 I take the Bible as fact. There is no reason not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I take the Bible as fact. There is no reason not to. I see. Read this. Thoroughly. Read every subsection. Read every last paragraph of it. Gorge yourself on every little letter and punctuation. If you still take the Bible as fact, after doing exactly this, you're free to go - with a label on your back. Don't worry, you'll never be able to read the label yourself, but everyone will easily spot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 As fact? o.O A lot of people believe the Old Testament is ripped off the Babaloyians... A lot of what is written there has many many similarities with Babaloyian religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I take the Bible as fact. There is no reason not to. So then how would you respond to this earlier post by me which states the fact that the Bible hasn't always been the Bible? Also do not forget that the Bible as we know it today is not how it has always been in the past. I forgot what the "convention" was called but many of the most versed/read scholars on the Bible got together and voted on what the Bible should be comprised up of. They then looked at all the available books and voted them in or out. Some books were not included due to religious inaccuracies or that it didn't contribute anything spiritually. Such examples of books that people used to believe were part of the Bible were the Books of Maccabees, Books of Esdras, Tobit, Ecclesciasticus or The Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach, Baruch, Daniel, Bel, and the Snake, and The Prayer of Manasseh are just a few books not to make it in to the current 66 chapter Bible. This is all just food for thought and there is more I could say but I do not want to take up a whole page on a thread to say it. So in conclusion is the Bible really the true Bible? Sure most Christians believe that God used men to write books of the Bible but did he also use that convention of men to put the True works in and keep the UnGodWrtitten (<-- Stupid Moment) ones out. So this could also mean that the Bible used to have the entire OT without Ruth Amos, Malachi, and lets say Ecclesiastes but had in it the books The Prayer of Azaraiah and The Song of the Three and Baruch in its place. Would you still accept this as God's word even though more intelligent and learned scholars before you denied them a place in The Good Book (I am assuming you are not as learned as they. Heck you could be the Pope himself for all I know). Just curious. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by Lord_Plo_Koon I take the Bible as fact. There is no reason not to. *blink blink* Heavens me. Can you give me a reason to take it as literal fact? Cjais already gave you plenty of reasons not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Well, I believe, Bible was the greatest Sci-Fi book/heap of books ever written. But that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Warrior Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by Cjais I see. Read this. Thoroughly. Read every subsection. Read every last paragraph of it. Gorge yourself on every little letter and punctuation. If you still take the Bible as fact, after doing exactly this, you're free to go - with a label on your back. Don't worry, you'll never be able to read the label yourself, but everyone will easily spot it. LOL jais, well found man, I like that a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove Well, I believe, Bible was the greatest Sci-Fi book/heap of books ever written. But that's me. change books with crap and i like you alot more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by ZDawg I've been a PK on and off... I'm sick of the steroe type that we are stuck-up brats who think we can get away with anything around the church. yes, I'm a christian. My GF is a PK bud, and she is the sweetest girl I've ever known, someday I will marry her. She has had to live with that title all her life as well. I hate labels. I am a Christian, I was Baptized in a Baptist church when I was 13. For the moment, I don't belong to a church, because I have little time to commit, but If I had to choose, I suppose you could say i'm for the New Life Churches. And for the record, I enjoy New Life Services. Also... Threads like these don't turn into wars until somebody comes in and says something that contridicts everything that everyone else has already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTeddyPaul Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion change books with crap and i like you alot more Now now play nice. BigTeddyPaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 5, 2003 Share Posted January 5, 2003 I've said it before.. and I'll say it again.... man I love being a turtle Nah, the fact of the matter is.... IF us atheists are RIGHT, when we die, we wont know If we're wrong, we'll know about it, and life a fiery painful eternity. If christians are right, they live in happyness and crap with their 'god' If they're wrong, and there is no god, then they never know. So athiests, unfortunetly get the short straw.... but I suppose die-hard cruel atheists can make up for it by laughing at christians for their whole life, thinking how stupid they are to believe in a higher power. Me, I'm an atheist... I'd like to think there's something bigger out there waiting for us.... but it just doesn't seem feasible in this world bound by rules of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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